Hinds found guilty of murder

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Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

A Japanese prison would probably be like some sort if hikikomori holiday camp and I think if anywhere I could deal with it there.

I don't know how you can compare a practice whereby people voluntarily cut themselves off from the outside world and withdraw into their rooms for long periods of time to a prison system that imposes strict military like discipline and regimentation like the Japanese one.
That makes no sense to me.

Have a read of this Amnesty report on prisons there or have a look at this documentary (which makes it look not so awful actually-like a strict military routine, tolerable if you can learn to deal with being treated like a robot). But then they weren't allowed to film in the 'Hogobo'-the solitary confinement cells for those who don't comply with the rules or for those who show instability or aggression where treatment is much harsher-solitary confinement for months on end, with metal or leather handcuffs on even when eating. Being forced to eat while prostrate on the ground from bowls like dogs for example or having to sit for hours on end in the lotus position staring at the wall.

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

Probably more inmates for stealing bicycles than anything anyhow, I can't possibly relate to hinds' culture and would fear being physically broken in some alien memphis jailhouse by his ilk and I know a lot of people could relate to the sights and sounds of that more, but no.

Not sure I understand you exactly but I don't know why you think prisoners are only in there for minor offences like stealing bicycles, I'm sure the crimes they're in there for run the gamut from the relatively minor to serious crimes like Hind's committed, as in other countries.

It's true though that it seems the one thing prisoners in Japan do not have to fear is violence from other prisoners because their routine is so strictly regulated and disciplined and guards are so vigilant.

It seems to be all down to whether you can mentally submit to the Japanese system or not. If you can then serving a sentence may be easier than prisons here or most other Western countries, if not it could be a hell of a lot worse mentally at least, if not physically.

lightspeed

Considering they carry out the death penalty by hanging in Japan, it is quite surprising the pitiful sentence for what appears to have been both rape and murder.

Im aware of the fact that he was charged as a minor but surely its still a ridiculous sentence for such a crime. I would have thought a minor involved in an armed robbery would get such a sentence but not just 5 years for a crime like this.

I wonder does it make those classed as minors involved in criminal gangs in Japan feel quite invincible?

If a minor robs a bank in japan would they just get a few years and maybe 5 years if found guilty of murder?

Ruudi_Mentari

Greentopia wrote: »

I don't know how you can compare a practice whereby people voluntarily cut themselves off from the outside world and withdraw into their rooms for long periods of time to a prison system that imposes strict military like discipline and regimentation like the Japanese one.
That makes no sense to me.

Have a read of this Amnesty report on prisons there or have a look at this documentary (which makes it look not so awful actually-like a strict military routine, tolerable if you can learn to deal with being treated like a robot). But then they weren't allowed to film in the 'Hogobo'-the solitary confinement cells for those who don't comply with the rules or for those who show instability or aggression where treatment is much harsher-solitary confinement for months on end, with metal or leather handcuffs on even when eating. Being forced to eat while prostrate on the ground from bowls like dogs for example or having to sit for hours on end in the lotus position staring at the wall.

Not sure I understand you exactly but I don't know why you think prisoners are only in there for minor offences like stealing bicycles, I'm sure the crimes they're in there for run the gamut from the relatively minor to serious crimes like Hind's committed, as in other countries.

It's true though that it seems the one thing prisoners in Japan do not have to fear is violence from other prisoners because their routine is so strictly regulated and disciplined and guards are so vigilant.

It seems to be all down to whether you can mentally submit to the Japanese system or not. If you can then serving a sentence may be easier than prisons here or most other Western countries, if not it could be a hell of a lot worse mentally at least, if not physically.

Yeah alright - sounds familiar lol but have you actually bn in an Irish prison, I'd prefer the Japanese version than not being able to sleep because of being set on fire by the threads of your trousers by the gang you've been bunged in the same cell with for a minor misdemeanor who only flash their shanks at you every other waking hour. Don't knock it til you've tried it I guess but that applies to japan too which just seems infinitely stress-free to me, in comparison

But then again to be in with Hinds types who have nowhere else to stick it, whther that's their blade or penis is paranoid business and that'd break me first. Just that physical threat

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the_monkey wrote: »

Again, the fact that he is "Religious" for me shows he's more of a sociopath then anything - people who don't want to do bad - ONLY cos they think God will punish them are dangerous people.

People should be good out of respect for their fellow person - not out of fear for being punished ...

+1
And it's evidently not as if his "Christian upbringing" has instilled in him any sense of morality in the first place when he can so easily take the life of another human being.

Funny how studies in the U.K., Europe and the US have shown that prisons-as we're touching on that subject-are full of people with religious upbringings, yet atheists are under-represented.
Not saying there is a causal relationship between atheism and morality or religiosity and criminality b.t.w.(correlation /= causation), but the figures are a rebuttal to those who would say that non-believers are more criminally inclined or evil, or are immoral beings because they don't have a god to tell them how to be good.

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Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

Yeah alright - sounds familiar lol but have you actually bn in an Irish prison,

Thankfully no. I did see the recent 2 part documentary on RTE though about the Irish prison service which was an eye opener.-http://www.rte.ie/tv/programmes/lifeontheinside.html

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

But then again to be in with Hinds types who have nowhere else to stick it, whther that's their blade or penis is paranoid business and that'd break me first. Just that physical threat

I'm not male so my experience and the physical threats to my safety would be less I would assume if I was ever unfortunate enough to end up in prison, but I understand what you mean.

Da Shins Kelly

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

Yeah alright - sounds familiar lol but have you actually bn in an Irish prison, I'd prefer the Japanese version than not being able to sleep because of being set on fire by the threads of your trousers by the gang you've been bunged in the same cell with for a minor misdemeanor who only flash their shanks at you every other waking hour. Don't knock it til you've tried it I guess but that applies to japan too which just seems infinitely stress-free to me, in comparison

But then again to be in with Hinds types who have nowhere else to stick it, whther that's their blade or penis is paranoid business and that'd break me first. Just that physical threat

I think there's danger in both systems, one is more physical than the other, but I think the isolation and regimented style of the Japanese system would drive me crazy. Humans are social creatures after all - living in pretty much complete silence and solitude for years would be pretty tough, I imagine. It'd be difficult enough to re-adapt to life on the outside after living under those kinds of rules, I think. I can't imagine coming out and being the same person, for better or for worse.

Andy-Pandy

I know a young lad that ended up in a Japanese prison for about 6 months, hell on earth, poor fellow has never been the same.

lightspeed

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I know a young lad that ended up in a Japanese prison for about 6 months, hell on earth, poor fellow has never been the same.

If he was guilty of the crime he was imprisoned for then that would mean he was a criminal. If you say he was never the same again, then that shows that there may in fact be a method to the madness of the japanese.

How many criminals are still free to commit crimes here after already raking up 70 or more convictions?

Does this happen much in Japan?

Grayson

Greentopia wrote: »

+1
And it's evidently not as if his "Christian upbringing" has instilled in him any sense of morality in the first place when he can so easily take the life of another human being.

Funny how studies in the U.K., Europe and the US have shown that prisons-as we're touching on that subject-are full of people with religious upbringings, yet atheists are under-represented.
Not saying there is a causal relationship between atheism and morality or religiosity and criminality b.t.w.(correlation /= causation), but the figures are a rebuttal to those who would say that non-believers are more criminally inclined or evil, or are immoral beings because they don't have a god to tell them how to be good.

I'd say because most atheists didn't have an atheist upbringing. In this country for example, I'd say a majority were brought up catholic / CoI. When they've become atheists, they've contemplated and considered what's right/wrong etc...
I'd say the % is similar to the number of converts (to any mainstream religion) in prison. They've made a choice and thought about it too.


The one thing about Japanese prisons that people should remember is the number of innocent people there. They have a 99% conviction rate. I've read a bit about their interrogation methods and they are scary. Most of their convictions arise because the suspect confesses. (BTW, I'm not saying hinds is innocent. There's more than enough video/forensic evidence).

old hippy

Grayson wrote: »

The one thing about Japanese prisons that people should remember is the number of innocent people there. They have a 99% conviction rate. I've read a bit about their interrogation methods and they are scary. Most of their convictions arise because the suspect confesses. (BTW, I'm not saying hinds is innocent. There's more than enough video/forensic evidence).

For a look at the seedier side of Tokyo and policing it, I recommend "Tokyo Vice" by Jake Adelstein.