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Formula 1 2013: Round 2 - Malaysian Grand Prix

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    #242
    Grim.
    Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.


    Dcully wrote: »
    So all you guys giving Vettel a lashing ill ask you this,

    Do you like,condone team orders?

    For once a driver gives two fingers to team orders and he is ridiculed for it and by the same people ive seen on here give out fcuk like me about team orders.
    Call him whatever you like,atleast he is man enough to say fcuk team orders and race, he is a born racer, his record proves this yet so called F1 race fans ridicule him for it?
    As an avid F1 fan of 30+ years i think its great to see Vettel ignore team orders,a natural born racer doesnt give two flying fcuks what people think of them, their only desire is to race bloody hard and WIN!!
    Ofcourse im being greedy here as i want to see racers race hard @ 100% before any team orders, crucify me for it if you will but im a racing fan before anything else and its against what i believe in racing terms to not applaud a guy man enough to give two fingers to team orders.

    Its only unfortunate Mark was on the receiving end, i feel for the guy , he never get the rub of green ever!

    spot on Cully


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    #243
    Myrddin
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    ARGINITE wrote: »
    Could he not have passed Vettel back? They were driving the same car!

    One seems to respect the orders given, the other doesn't


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    #244
    Max_Charger
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    Sky interview with Mark, I've never in my life seen someone try to bite their tongue so much


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    #245
    errlloyd
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    Mark looks close to tears. He sounds almost like he's speaking English as a second language, he's so uncomfortable with what he's saying.


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    #246
    Ghost Train
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    No, f1 is all about the team, at least from their point of view. No one (in the business) really cares that much about their drivers winning the championship, its the team champ that has the all important money and rightly or wrongly in modern f1 thats their primarly goal.
    Yes a team with a driver winning the driver champ is highly likely to win the team champ too but I doubt they really give excess thought to that tbh

    McLaren don't do team orders though generally, all about getting wins


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    #247
    Grim.
    Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.


    Ghost Train wrote: »
    but he's obviously realised he cheated Mark if he's apologising now

    Doubt it just redbull pr BS


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    #248
    Grim.
    Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.


    Ghost Train wrote: »
    McLaren don't do team orders though generally, all about getting wins

    yeah and when's the last time they've won a manufacturers championship


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    #249
    ARGINITE
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    One seems to respect the orders given, the other doesn't

    One wins, the other comes somewhere else when the season ends.


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    #250
    Dcully
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    One seems to respect the orders given, the other doesn't


    Dead right not to , any true racing fan would applaud him for it instead of pulling the respect and fair play card.


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    #251
    Myrddin
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    ARGINITE wrote: »
    One wins, the other comes somewhere else when the season ends.

    You asked a question, I answered it


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    #252
    Max_Charger
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    Did Seb just say he didn't realise there were orders in place?!


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    #253
    [Deleted User]
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    Dcully wrote: »
    Dead right not to , any true racing fan would applaud him for it instead of pulling the respect and fair play card.

    What is Vettel apologising for?


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    #254
    [Deleted User]
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    Dcully wrote: »


    Dead right not to , any true racing fan would applaud him for it instead of pulling the respect and fair play card.

    Lets not forget that if it was any other driver, Webber could have run him off the road when he let him past


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    #255
    Grim.
    Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.


    Silverstone 2011 Mark didn't obey team orders and was applauded at the time, same old ****e on this forum again.


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    #256
    Sparks43
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is Vettel apologising for?

    For being childish hopefully


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    #257
    Dcully
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is Vettel apologising for?

    most likely playing team orders when it doesnt hurt him, gotta love a racer willing to win at any cost :)


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    #258
    McBauer
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    Dcully wrote: »
    So all you guys giving Vettel a lashing ill ask you this,

    Do you like,condone team orders?

    For once a driver gives two fingers to team orders and he is ridiculed for it and by the same people ive seen on here give out fcuk like me about team orders.
    Call him whatever you like,atleast he is man enough to say fcuk team orders and race, he is a born racer, his record proves this yet so called F1 race fans ridicule him for it?
    As an avid F1 fan of 30+ years i think its great to see Vettel ignore team orders,a natural born racer doesnt give two flying fcuks what people think of them, their only desire is to race bloody hard and WIN!!
    Ofcourse im being greedy here as i want to see racers race hard @ 100% before any team orders, crucify me for it if you will but im a racing fan before anything else and its against what i believe in racing terms to not applaud a guy man enough to give two fingers to team orders.

    Its only unfortunate Mark was on the receiving end, i feel for the guy , he never get the rub of green ever!

    Come on, have a bit of common sense here. Most people are against team orders. But Vettel isnt saying fcuk teams orders. Earlier in the race he wanted Mark to be ordered to let him pass.


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    #259
    Bullseye1
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is Vettel apologising for?

    Probably to massage some bruised egos and fans of F1 who like team orders.


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    #260
    Myrddin
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    Dcully wrote: »
    Dead right not to , any true racing fan would applaud him for it instead of pulling the respect and fair play card.

    Come off it, his body language in the post-race room & on the podium tells me everything I need to know about how he feels about it


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    #261
    counterlock
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    Post race comments
    Vettel:
    "I don't care about the criticism. I owe an explanation to Mark and the team and that's it. For sure it's not a victory I'm very proud of because it should have been Mark's."
    Webber:
    I turned the engine down and was reassured twice that we would not use the cars against each other.


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    #262
    alastair_doom
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is Vettel apologising for?

    Sounds like he didnt know Webber had turned his engine down, rather than apologizing for disobeying team orders


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    #263
    recyclebin
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    Why is Vettel apologising if he didn't hear the team orders?

    I don't like team orders but you either have them or you don't and you can't chose to ignore them if it suits you. That is why most people on here are bashing Vettel. You can't defend him for what he did.


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    #264
    Myrddin
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    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Probably to massage some bruised egos and fans of F1 who like team orders.

    Because Vettel never benefited from team orders in the past?


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    #265
    Goldstein
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    Vettel shouldn't have sucker-punched Weber but Weber should have fought Vettel to the end. If Vettel chose to throw team orders out of the window that knife could have cut both ways but Mark threw in the towel as soon as Vettel got past. How seriously Red Bull now deal with the infraction determines how much authority their team orders deserve to carry. If it's just a tut-tut Sebastien then their orders don't hold much weight at all when it comes down to it.

    What Mercedes did to Rosberg was a farce.


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    #266
    Ghost Train
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    Grim. wrote: »
    yeah and when's the last time they've won a manufacturers championship

    98? but team orders were banned for a good few years and have lack of team orders really hurt the team in the manufacturers championship, team orders mainly used to help win a drivers championship in any case unless drivers running each other off the road.


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    #267
    Bullseye1
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Because Vettel never benefited from team orders in the past?

    Are you for team orders or not? I'm against any team orders. Racers should be allowed race. Webber defended his position.


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    #268
    Myrddin
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    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Are you for team orders or not? I'm against any team orders. Racers should be allowed race. Webber defended his position.

    Whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant, they are legal at the moment so are something we have to accept. And nevertheless, Vettel is perfectly happy to benefit from them but doesn't like following them it seems


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    #269
    Bullseye1
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    Goldstein wrote: »
    What Mercedes did to Rosberg was a farce.

    I've always admired Hamilton as a racing driver and would hope he has not got some clause in his contract that he is number 1. Let the guys race and see who is better.


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    #270
    youreadthat
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    Goldstein wrote: »
    Vettel shouldn't have sucker-punched Weber but Weber should have fought Vettel to the end. If Vettel chose to throw team orders out of the window that knife could have cut both ways but Mark threw in the towel as soon as Vettel got past. How seriously Red Bull now deal with the infraction determines how much authority their team orders deserve to carry. If it's just a tut-tut Sebastien then their orders don't hold much weight at all when it comes down to it.

    What Mercedes did to Rosberg was a farce.

    So telling Lewis to push 100% for an entire stint and then making him save fuel for the rest of the race is called what exactly?

    Simply evened up their own error imo.


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    #271
    Bullseye1
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant, they are legal at the moment so are something we have to accept. And nevertheless, Vettel is perfectly happy to benefit from them but doesn't like following them it seems

    Actually no as fans we don't have to accept them at all. How can you be a fan of motor racing and accept team orders? Senna said it best when he described carting as "pure driving". Personally I've seen enough politics in the sport and would like to see "pure driving".


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