Is a vote for SF a vote for FF and vice versa ?

raymon

Thomas Byrne ( Bertie's man in Meath east) has asked for Sinn Fein voters to vote for him.

Is this sanctioned by Gerry and Martin McG ?

Or is it just a sneaky election ploy by Byrne

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fianna-fail-asks-for-sinn-fein-byelection-transfers-29143759.html

Any Sinn Fein voters care to comment ?

Sunnyisland

As a person who has voted SF in the past I would think this has more to do with vote anyone but government parties, And as SF is the fourth largest party in the state and the only one in a lot of peoples mind to be an alternative to past governments its not that big of a surprise, In my opinion I would not be a bit surprised if SF & FF formed the next government here.

golfball37

SF transfers will probably determine teh Meath by election. Why wouldn't Byrne ask for a preference, seems fairly common sense to me.

I can't see many SF voters transferring to FF though.

nuac

In any election, especially a bye-election, canvassers will seek preference votes from any quarter

SF used to have rather a stalinist approach to voting directions. That would not apply to any recent converts they have made

raymon

Seems strange that Fianna Fail are publicly denouncing Sinn Fein at every opportunity and then turn around and ask for their support.

Here is Willie o Dea asking for the arrest of Gerry Adams only a few months ago.

http://www.firstpost.com/topic/person/gerry-adams-willie-odea-looses-the-head-in-limerick-video-I9B2_j8v288-5694-1.html

Just wondering if Gerry is now onboard with FF

Crooked Jack

raymon wrote: »

Seems strange that Fianna Fail are publicly denouncing Sinn Fein at every opportunity and then turn around and ask for their support.

Here is Willie o Dea asking for the arrest of Gerry Adams only a few months ago.

http://www.firstpost.com/topic/person/gerry-adams-willie-odea-looses-the-head-in-limerick-video-I9B2_j8v288-5694-1.html

Just wondering if Gerry is now onboard with FF

Doubt it, just another example of Sinn Fein putting party politics aside for the public good. I hate FF but if it's a straight choice between strengthening the government or strengthening the opposition I'll take the latter.
With that said I'm not really comfortable with electoral pacts as a tactic, I'd prefer if SF just ran as normal.

Sunnyisland

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Doubt it, just another example of Sinn Fein putting party politics aside for the public good. I hate FF but if it's a straight choice between strengthening the government or strengthening the opposition I'll take the latter.
With that said I'm not really comfortable with electoral pacts as a tactic, I'd prefer if SF just ran as normal.

The day any party In Ireland does that would be indeed a great day for this country.

stevenmu

I don't get it, it doesn't look like there's any pact or any input from SF at all. It's just a FF candidate asking people to vote him.

shanered

Its a cute move alright, but stange all the same.
Shows how strong SF are becoming in a certain sense.

Nodin

raymon wrote: »

Thomas Byrne ( Bertie's man in Meath east) has asked for Sinn Fein voters to vote for him.

Is this sanctioned by Gerry and Martin McG ?

Or is it just a sneaky election ploy by Byrne

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fianna-fail-asks-for-sinn-fein-byelection-transfers-29143759.html

Any Sinn Fein voters care to comment ?

Presumably he's trying to capitalise on many republicans deep dislike for FG. However he seems to forget that there also exists a deep dislike for FF.

Sierra Oscar

Not really sure what the big deal is to be honest, it is only natural at this stage of the campaign to start asking people for a preference vote if they have already committed their first preference. It is not only SF preferences FF are after, canvassers will be asking for a preference on the doors no matter what party the person is voting for as their first preference.

For the record, SF canvassers are asking for preferences off FF voters and so are FG. Anyone who has actually been involved in a campaign before will know that this is standard activity in the closing days of an election campaign.

raymon

News just in.

Gerry Adams asks Sinn Fein voters not to vote for FF , or FG or Lab.

Good man Gerry , I don't like you but at least you stick to your guns ( no pun intended)

Thomas Byrne must look a bit silly now

Nodin

In a statement, Mr Adams this afternoon said anyone voting for Sinn Fein candidate Darren O Rourke should not continue their preferences for Fianna Fail, Fine Gael or Labour.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gerry-adams-tells-sinn-fein-voters-not-to-transfer-to-fianna-fail-29146301.html

Just to provide a source....

raymon

Well that answers my OP , thanks everyone.

Note to Fianna Fail :
To avoid looking like two faced insincere power hungry sleeveens , you should check next time if your members have called for the arrest of the leader of the other party before asking for their support.

SoulandForm

I suspect that there will be an SF/FG coalition before there will be one with Fianna Fail.

oscarBravo

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Doubt it, just another example of Sinn Fein putting party politics aside for the public good.

raymon wrote: »

Gerry Adams asks Sinn Fein voters not to vote for FF , or FG or Lab.

I guess wee Gerry doesn't want any truck with that "public good" business after all.

Crooked Jack

oscarBravo wrote: »

I guess wee Gerry doesn't want any truck with that "public good" business after all.

It will do the public a lot more good to have another SF TD

COYW

Another good reason not to vote for FF. They really have no shame and will do anything for power. I look forward to the next election when the FF candidate arrives at my door.

COYW

Crooked Jack wrote: »

It will do the public a lot more good to have another SF TD

It may do in your parliament where they will spend the next 5 months or so squabbling over the right to let the unionist people walk down a road or two, but their complete lack of economic and general political nouse is of no use to us here.

Dani Pacheco

I don't ever really think that a SF FF coalition is viable in the near to midterm future.
The concept of any SF X coalition scares me no end which makes the fact that it's so unlikely so much more pleasing.
SF transfers will fly all over the place. None to FG obviously, but also not that many to FF.

COYW

Dani Pacheco wrote: »

I don't ever really think that a SF FF coalition is viable in the near to midterm future.
The concept of any SF X coalition scares me no end which makes the fact that it's so unlikely so much more pleasing.
SF transfers will fly all over the place. None to FG obviously, but also not that many to FF.

FF are just being clever bucks here as usual. They are pretending to play ball with SF to get the votes in but they know that entering into government with SF would turn a serious volume of voters away from them. FF voters tend to be middle aged and upwards, the same people who remember the pre-agreement SF.

SF transfers will go to the ULA people and independents who tailor their campaigns to the lower class 'entitled' mindset.

Nodin

COYW wrote: »

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SF transfers will go to the ULA people and independents who tailor their campaigns to the lower class 'entitled' mindset.

Would you mind explaining what you mean by this?

invincibl3

Nodin wrote: »

Would you mind explaining what you mean by this?

Does it really need explaining Nodin? Someone has given us their small-minded prejudice dressed up as an opinion.

shanered

Its nice to expose such types, so, again, I'll push for an explanation of that statement.

COYW

Nodin wrote: »

Would you mind explaining what you mean by this?

Well, it's pretty obvious really! Those who vote for SF are of the hard left mindset. A core part of that mindset is that the government should provide housing, health and pretty much everything needed in ones life for free. Therefore, I consider these voters to be of the "entitled" mindset. The ULA and the left-wing independents also subscribe to this idea, so I believe the SF transfers will go to these candidates. As for the lower class aspect, everyone knows that SF have struggled to capture the middle and upper classes. The lower classes are their prime voter base.

Also, I need to correct the post I made earlier in relation to the FF candidate. I heard the interview over the weekend. He did not specifically request transfers for SF. He was asked about transfers and said he would be delighted to take transfers from any other party. I stand corrected on that.

Nodin

COYW wrote: »

Well, it's pretty obvious really! Those who vote for SF are of the hard left mindset. A core part of that mindset is that the government should provide housing, health and pretty much everything needed in ones life for free. Therefore, I consider these voters to be of the "entitled" mindset. .

Thats your assumption, your definitions and your pigeon-holing.

COYW wrote: »

The ULA and the left-wing independents also subscribe to this idea, so I believe the SF transfers will go to these candidates. As for the lower class aspect, everyone knows that SF have struggled to capture the middle and upper classes. The lower classes are their prime voter base. .

I have to say I'm unfamiliar with the term "lower class". Please, tell me what defines this grouping.

COYW

Nodin wrote: »

I have to say I'm unfamiliar with the term "lower class". Please, tell me what defines this grouping.

It refers to those in low paid, low skilled jobs and also those who are unemployed.

Nodin

COYW wrote: »

It refers to those in low paid, low skilled jobs and also those who are unemployed.

Really? Normally those people are referred to as "working class". While some might point out the common use of lower class as having no negative connotations, the tone of your posts would suggest something akin to class snobbery at work here.

Hannibal

COYW wrote: »

It refers to those in low paid, low skilled jobs and also those who are unemployed.

"Everyone, Republican or otherwise has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young"
obviously when Bobby Sands said that famous quote he was refering to something else but you can apply this to your statement also.

and about the unemployed, many of whom are in fact highly skilled but because of the recession and certain sectors of employment collapsing they have found themselves unemployed. This is many cases shows they are a victim of circumstances rather than making a conscious decision to sit on the sofa all day.

If you're bashing Sinn Féin and other left wing parties for standing up for these people and these sectors of our country then there is something seriously wrong with you. Politics isn't just for people who aren't in the "lower class" as you call them, this is democracy and everyone regardless of their perceived social status all only have one vote. This is the type of snobbery that exists in yourself and also someone like FG's chairperson Charlie Flanagan who objected to SF TD's wearing an Easter Lily in the Dáil recently as a mark of respect for those who gave their lives for Irish freedom.
People with short memories....

thecommietommy

oscarBravo wrote: »

I guess wee Gerry doesn't want any truck with that "public good" business after all.

Shows how little you know about Adams, he's over 6 feet tall

invincibl3 wrote: »

Does it really need explaining Nodin? Someone has given us their small-minded prejudice dressed up as an opinion.

And that's why COYW is a moderator on boards.ie !!!!

thecommietommy

Dotsey wrote: »

If you're bashing Sinn Féin and other left wing parties for standing up for these people and these sectors of our country then there is something seriously wrong with you. Politics isn't just for people who aren't in the "lower class" as you call them, this is democracy and everyone regardless of their perceived social status all only have one vote. This is the type of snobbery that exists in yourself and also someone like FG's chairperson Charlie Flanagan who objected to SF TD's wearing an Easter Lily in the Dáil recently as a mark of respect for those who gave their lives for Irish freedom.
People with short memories....

“Before my colleague begins, is it in order for members, particularly Deputy Stanley, to wear emblems of the type that he is now sporting in the chamber? It’s not only himself but his colleague, Deputy Colreavy, too. Some members of this House may find the wearing of such emblems offensive,” said Charlie, requesting a report from the Ceann Comhairle on the long standing rules regarding the wearing of emblems. And furthermore, he asked that the report be laid before the Dáil today. “I object to the wearing of the emblem by Sinn Féin Deputies in the manner which we now see.”

Interesting but typical of our Fine Gael West Brit friends. Flanagan didn't object to FG TD Frank Feighan wearing a poppy to 'honour' the army which carried out very many atrocities in Ireland - http://www.irishtimes.com/news/td-wears-poppy-in-d%C3%A1il-to-honour-dead-1.746966

invincibl3

thecommietommy wrote: »

Shows how little you know about Adams, he's over 6 feet tall


And that's why COYW is a moderator on boards.ie !!!!

Indeed, no doubt COYW styles himself as 'upper class' and as such dictating to the lower orders on this hallowed website is his birthright. To his credit, at least he is up front and honest about his prejudice's, other mods....not so much.

maccored

Interesting that flannigan and stanley are both Laois/Offaly - case of bitchiness if you ask me

thecommietommy wrote: »

“Before my colleague begins, is it in order for members, particularly Deputy Stanley, to wear emblems of the type that he is now sporting in the chamber? It’s not only himself but his colleague, Deputy Colreavy, too. Some members of this House may find the wearing of such emblems offensive,” said Charlie, requesting a report from the Ceann Comhairle on the long standing rules regarding the wearing of emblems. And furthermore, he asked that the report be laid before the Dáil today. “I object to the wearing of the emblem by Sinn Féin Deputies in the manner which we now see.”

Interesting but typical of our Fine Gael West Brit friends. Flanagan didn't object to FG TD Frank Feighan wearing a poppy to 'honour' the army which carried out very many atrocities in Ireland - http://www.irishtimes.com/news/td-wears-poppy-in-d%C3%A1il-to-honour-dead-1.746966

laoch na mona

nah SF and FF are very different parties

StillWaters

Both SF and FF are transfer toxic, so it makes sense for them to enter into local transfer agreements regardless of the national rhetoric.

GRMA

thecommietommy wrote: »

“Before my colleague begins, is it in order for members, particularly Deputy Stanley, to wear emblems of the type that he is now sporting in the chamber? It’s not only himself but his colleague, Deputy Colreavy, too. Some members of this House may find the wearing of such emblems offensive,” said Charlie, requesting a report from the Ceann Comhairle on the long standing rules regarding the wearing of emblems. And furthermore, he asked that the report be laid before the Dáil today. “I object to the wearing of the emblem by Sinn Féin Deputies in the manner which we now see.”

Interesting but typical of our Fine Gael West Brit friends. Flanagan didn't object to FG TD Frank Feighan wearing a poppy to 'honour' the army which carried out very many atrocities in Ireland - http://www.irishtimes.com/news/td-wears-poppy-in-d%C3%A1il-to-honour-dead-1.746966

He is a gob****e like his bigoted father.