Captain America Sequel The Winter Soldier

constitutionus

its got a nice idea running in it.

steve became cap ,or rather wanted to join up, cause he "doesnt like bullies"

whats he do when his own people are the bullies?

kinda hope they develop that angle.

like the new suit too, the avengers one just looked crap. particularly when the one in the first film worked so well.

brianregan09

Its leaning more to a spy thriller than anything else because in most of that trailer it looks like Cap and Falcon are fighting SHIELD

and is it me or does anyone else think

Redfords character could be the Red Skull

flazio

constitutionus wrote: »

Didnt expect this to have so much of sheild in it which is welcome IMO.

Looking forward to it

I wonder if we are going to get a cameo from a certain band of Agents?

Chris_Heilong

flazio wrote: »

I wonder if we are going to get a cameo from a certain band of Agents?

I hope not, they are complete cheese and dont look like they would fit into this films tone very well, I base this entirely on the trailer.

FunLover18

Get Father Ted into The Winter Soldier!

Gingervitis

Super Bowl trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SlILk2WMTI

Trying not to get my hopes up too much for this, but could be alright!

Mickeroo

I do like the look of it, plenty of practical effects in the action scenes by the looks of it (some of them anyway) which is nice.

Bit worried about the director(s) though, like Thor 2 Marvel have gone with relative rookies who have done loads of TV but very little films (only the awful You,Me and Dupree in this case). Thor 2 really felt like Marvel were calling all the shots rather than the director and I've a sneaking feeling that's what will probably happen here too.

James Gunn and Edgar Wright have been attached to their respective films for quite a while so I hope this isn't a sign of things to come from Marvel regarding any future sequels. Would be a shame if they move away from film-makers who will want to bring a bit of their own spin to a character.

Gbear

Can't really go wrong with these films.
I'd be surprised if it was any worse than "fairly good".

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

I do like the look of it, plenty of practical effects in the action scenes by the looks of it (some of them anyway) which is nice.

Bit worried about the director(s) though, like Thor 2 Marvel have gone with relative rookies who have done loads of TV but very little films (only the awful You,Me and Dupree in this case). Thor 2 really felt like Marvel were calling all the shots rather than the director and I've a sneaking feeling that's what will probably happen here too.

James Gunn and Edgar Wright have been attached to their respective films for quite a while so I hope this isn't a sign of things to come from Marvel regarding any future sequels. Would be a shame if they move away from film-makers who will want to bring a bit of their own spin to a character.

I said it before but Marvel's decision to bring in untested directors smacks of them trying to have complete control over the films. I couldn't see Joe Johnston or Kennath Branagh allowing Marvel and Disney execs on set and calling the shots. They're far too established and respected for any of that but the Russo brothers, well I can see them being little more than puppets that simply relay the producers wishes. I really hope that I'm wrong and Captain America is something special but honestly, Thor 2 felt like film making by committee and I fear the worst for Cap.

pixelburp

Still not entirely sold on this film; the palette & tone just seems a bit too uninteresting in comparison with the first film, and certainly compared with other Marvel films like Thor or Guardians of the Galaxy.

Mickeroo wrote: »

Bit worried about the director(s) though, like Thor 2 Marvel have gone with relative rookies who have done loads of TV but very little films (only the awful You,Me and Dupree in this case). Thor 2 really felt like Marvel were calling all the shots rather than the director and I've a sneaking feeling that's what will probably happen here too.

Seems like part of the grand 'Phase 2' masterplan Marvel are ploughing ahead with. Big ticket directors and screenwriters might derail or stymie Marvel's grand vision with their own ideas, so it's easier (and cheaper!) to insert more malleable, rookie talent behind the lens. This is what happens when a monopoly occurs, fewer risks occur because Marvel know they don't have to; I'm kinda happy Marvel don't have all IPs back in their hands.

johnny_ultimate

pixelburp wrote: »

I'm kinda happy Marvel don't have all IPs back in their hands.

I completely agree with the assertion that the 'homegrown' Marvel films have proven frustratingly bland and compromised recently, but they're alas not alone. Amazing Spiderman was perhaps the most miserably mediocre of the lot so far, and that was Sony's doing.

I guess when you're working on this budget, safe bets are always going to be commercially preferable to risks. It really does all seem to be boiling down to GotG and Ant Man to see whether a) more distinctive directors can do something interesting and ambitious under the Marvel umbrella and b) whether audiences accept it.

pixelburp

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I completely agree with the assertion that the 'homegrown' Marvel films have proven frustratingly bland and compromised recently, but they're alas not alone. Amazing Spiderman was perhaps the most miserably mediocre of the lot so far, and that was Sony's doing.

Ah yeah, it doesn't help that some of the IPs outside of Marvel control have been equally underwhelming; certainly Amazing Spiderman only got greenlit to keep copyright in Sony's hands, not out of any grand sense of artistic enthusiasm. I'd still prefer they kept copyright though, ditto Fox & X-Men, on the off chance they might yet make something unique.

Besides, just from a mythological point of view, I've never seen the great benefit of a shared universe anyway; I've stared into the abyss that is comic continuity and it seems like a bloated, tangled mess that'd make daytime soaps wince. How can you rationalise a world where the X-men are hated & apparently everywhere, yet Spiderman is the darling of New York?

constitutionus

now THAT was alot better than the first one.

really pumped for this one. like the new uniform too. happy the old one still gets an outing as well. looks like theyre pushing steve into the role cap filled in the post dark reign stuff.

really like that arm on the winter soldier too. i havent read that story (though like everyone else knows who he is) so ill be coming at the character based on his last appearce rather than his comic roots.

Agent Coulson

Major potential spoiler involved.

aidan_walsh

I hope to Christ that didn't just reveal a plot point. One line contains either a major spoiler or a major redirect.

Agent Coulson

aidan_walsh wrote: »

I hope to Christ that didn't just reveal a plot point. One line contains either a major spoiler or a major redirect.

I was thinking the same thing.

Mickeroo

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I was thinking the same thing.

I didnt see anything?

Agent Coulson

Mickeroo wrote: »

I didnt see anything?

Now I want to tell you lol

Major potential spoiler

Listen from 10 to 12 seconds.

Mickeroo

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Now I want to tell you lol

Major potential spoiler

Listen from 10 to 12 seconds.

Haha oh well, I guess I shouldn't have asked :pac:

Otacon

It could mean

"Fury's lasts words to me [before he fell into a coma]..."

There was a similarly big plot spoiler revealed by Marvel during the press junkets for Thor 2

, specifically showing the scene where Loki chops off Thor's hand but that turned out to be a ruse.

aidan_walsh

Fair enough. Failing that there's always

Tahiti

.

Agent Coulson

They could also go with

An Immortal Nick Fury or bring in The Infinity Formula

TheGoldenAges

Only a week to go to this movie comes out. Apparently in house reviews at Disney have been really positive. Can't wait till next Friday!

TheGoldenAges

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

Only a week to go to this movie comes out. Apparently in house reviews at Disney have been really positive. Can't wait till next Friday!

It's out Wednesday.

FunLover18

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

Only a week to go to this movie comes out. Apparently in house reviews at Disney have been really positive. Can't wait till next Friday!

I know the people at Empire were all very impressed. Helen O'Hara tweeted that it has some of the best action in a Marvel movie yet

Soft Falling Rain

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

Only a week to go to this movie comes out. Apparently in house reviews at Disney have been really positive. Can't wait till next Friday!

So were the in house reviews for TDKR. :P

I actually rate TDKR highly though, but I'm in the minority in that thinking around here.

constitutionus

i cant wait TBH.

The only fecking thing that half interested me this week on the action front was "need for speed" and im not that into cars so didnt bother.

cap will fit my popcorn fix nicely.

TheGoldenAges

IGN gave it a 9/10, it's plot spoiler free so the review is worth reading

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2014/03/20/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-review

CatInABox

The Guardian gave it four out of five, with a sub heading of "Suffused with a realism rarely seen in comic-book movies, the Captain America sequel revives the flagging superhero genre".

I really enjoyed the first one, so the fact that this is reviewing well is delightful.

The review is here. Spoiler wise, I don't think that there is anything in the review that you couldn't already get from the trailers.

TheDoc

Reviews seem pretty strong for this.

I can very much take or leave aLL of the marvel sueprhero movies, I've just never found them interesting, DC has always been my preference.

But this looks something like I can't say no to.

Agent Coulson

Didn't know which thread to put in so I am putting it in both.

Captain America shoots down Superman & Batman
Just a bit of fun

constitutionus

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

IGN gave it a 9/10, it's plot spoiler free so the review is worth reading

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2014/03/20/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-review

those clips are fantastic too. the action certainly seems a step up from first avenger. the energy in the "pursuit" clip was great.

Basq

Local cinema is doing a double-bill of The Avengers and midnight-showing of Cap 2..

.. I am mighty tempted!

Mickeroo

The early reviews have me raising my expectations a little, I expected GotG to be the film to give the post Avengers marvel movies the kick up the bum they needed, will be very pleasantly surprised if this beats them to it

CatInABox

Am booked in with the other half to see it in Imax next Saturday. Should be fun.

brianregan09

Midnight showing for me , As has been the tradition with all the marvel studios movies for me can't wait

thebostoncrab

Myself and my wife are both booked in for The Avengers/ Winter Solider double bill in IMAX, really excited for this!

bigslick

Saw this last night. Very enjoyable film. I think it lives up to the hype. Much deeper story than the first one with alot of action (car chases, gun fights, hand to hand). May have to go see it again.....

TheGoldenAges

bigslick wrote: »

Saw this last night. Very enjoyable film. I think it lives up to the hype. Much deeper story than the first one with alot of action (car chases, gun fights, hand to hand). May have to go see it again.....

That good? Damn, cannot wait till Friday now, might have to go to a midnight showing tonight :pac:

Sleepy

The first movie was probably my favourite of the Phase 1 stand-alone movies (probably due in no small part to my love for all things WW2) so I'm really looking forward to this one!

norrie rugger

Sleepy wrote: »

The first movie was probably my favourite of the Phase 1 stand-alone movies (probably due in no small part to my love for all things WW2) so I'm really looking forward to this one!

I love it also due to Hayley Atwell

Sleepy

She certainly didn't hurt!

Scotty P

Double Bill for this tonight, Odeon in Blanch and Cineworld.

Was at a film in Cineworld last week and they showed the first half hour by mistake

Basq

It was OK to be honest.. far from the amazing movie some reviews have hyped it up to be.

Not the best Marvel movie but not the worst.. still goes to Iron Man 2.

Screening I went to had 12 people and you knew they were Marvel nuts like myself since they sat in their seats waiting for a mid-credits sequence at the end (which we got -

hmmm.. twins? Interesting! Info here: http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-news/first-peek-at-scarlet-witch-and-quicksilver-on--avengers-2--set-223530125.html

).

Felt the same way about

Falcon as I did about Ben Foster's Angel in X-Men: The Last Stand.. that is, I didn't really like them... AT ALL!

.

Some great action scenes aside, definitely wasn't wowed by the whole thing!

Also, would have liked

another cameo bar Maria Hill to be honest

.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Saw it last night in Cineworld.

Loved it. Quite possibly my favourite in the Marvel movie franchise so far...

TheGoldenAges

For those who've seen the movie, here's the end Easter egg explained.

brianregan09

Went to see it last night and loved it the fights and stuff were so hard hitting nothing like we've seen in any of the marvel movies so far, I was even taken aback by some of it especially from Cap he was a beast

As for the person above who complained about cameos....We got Crossbones, Arnim Zola, Baron Von Strucker,Batroc the bloody leaper , Agent 13 (sharon carter), Peggy Carter(old and young), Falcon, Hill, Sitwell, Scarlett Witch, Quicksilver, not to mention the massive roles by Widow and Fury, I think it was fairly stacked

I was knackered tired watching this and really wasn't in the mood for it , but i still loved it , I'd easily watch it again

TouchingVirus

Saw this last night in Cineworld in Screen 17 after watching The Avengers directly before it and watching the original Captain America a few days ago. I was fairly blown away tbh and in my opinion it's easily one of the strongest Marvel movies and is right up near the top of my list (if not at the top).

It was a much, much deeper story than the first film and had a heavier emphasis on all out action. The fight scenes were impressive and Sebastian Stan does a fantastic job as The Winter Soldier - he had me on the edge of my seat throughout, helped by the well tempo'd score. The depth it goes into the Marvel Universe is unparalleled with

cameos, namedrops and easter eggs all over the place - we got Armin Zola as an AI, Crossbones, Sharon Carter (the stunning Emily VanCamp *drools*), Dr Strange, Batroc the Leaper and Falcon. Post credits you got The Twins, Baron Von Strucker. We got hints that Hydra were involved in the demise of Tony Stark's parents, references to Banner with Toxin B and a few references to Iron Man (e.g. The upgrade to the helicarrier engine because Stark got a closer look, finding out Senator Stern who grilled Stark in Iron Man 1 was Hydra).

. The bigger roles for Fury and especially Black Widow, were another big addition to the movie. For people like me who didn't know who The Winter Soldier was there was that added moment too, a bit like

the Mandarin

in Iron Man 3.

It's interesting to note basquille mentioned Iron Man 2 since I was reminded of the same film when comparing The Winter Soldier to Whiplash.

Whiplash is genuinely frightening, he messes Iron Man up and for a good while the viewer genuinely believes he could kill Stark. Right from the first appearance of TWS after the Captain gives chase when Nick Fury gets killed I had a feeling that TWS would absolutely destroy the captain if given the right fight situation/play

.

I'm not a comic book fanboy but I got most of the references and am genuinely excited at the direction they're going in, it sets things up nicely for the future movies but also makes it a very strong movie in it's own right. So yeah, go see it

constitutionus

just back from a 2d showing of this with the brother.

BRILLIANT.

Really really impressed. the action is not only intense, its fair brutal in places. just how some characters are dispatched is shocking at time (mainly at the hands of the winter soldier) but cap himself is elevated to badass status at times.

something i didnt think they could pull off

i LOVED the "cameo" by a sub villain and most importantly of all this film comes off as an ACTUAL film. not just a comic "event" film.

i really got into the story and indeed at two points have no prob admiting i shed a tear or two. no mean feat for a character that i can take or leave in the comics.

i have to say bravo to the directors.

its a good rollicking spy / action thriller and i reckon theres an entire generation of 12 year olds that were never treated with this much intelligence. IMO it deserves all the plaudits it getting an ill be off to see it again soon.

9/10 from me.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

What I don't understand is the people who go to a midnight screening (ie. you should be a fan of and seen the previous marvel movies) and who get up and leave before both of the bonus scenes...

It's a Marvel flick! What are you, new? Sit your ass back down and keep watching.