Introduction of Carbon tax on solid fuels from May 1st

Fingers Mcginty

Dammit I've been using those firelogs for the last year in the stove. They're great to get the fire going but if unsafe I'll have to stop. Got the chimney cleaned there recently and the chimney sweep was asking what we were burning as there was a lot of soot. Cheers for the heads up.
Will stick to the kindling from now on.

allthedoyles

paddy147 wrote: »

So post 91 of yours is wrong then.;)

Post 91 is only a personal opinion ...........never claimed to be official spokesman for all multi-fuel stove owners .

paddy147

allthedoyles wrote: »

Post 91 is only a personal opinion ...........never claimed to be official spokesman for all multi-fuel stove owners .

So you were wrong then...good of you admit it.:pac::D

erkifino

Is it a case of firelogs burning too hot and burning out the grate?

antomack

Noticed that Dunnes are now stocking a 'stove' firelog, didn't look closely at it but seemed to be designed for stoves.

touts

Dampsquid wrote: »

C02 = C + O2 => 333KG C + 666KG of O2

OK but the question was based on the price rise for a 40kg bag of coal and the concept of the tax being €10 per tonne of coal to justify the tax purely on the basis of carbon released would require 333KG of coal to turn into 1000KG of CO2?

kampik

I'm new to heating with coal. Is there anything like summer coal prices in Ireland? Before I discovered this topic I was about to wait for the summer and see but now I'm thinking that it will be safer to buy it before end of the month.

TheDoc

Hmm, I pay €14 for a 40kg bag of coal and €10 for 4 bales of briquettes from a sole trader. He outlined that the coal will go up by a euro, but would bring it in line with most other sole traders, and that he is absorbing the tax cost for the bales. Cheapest I've found around my area anyway.

And in fairness, I don't personally take this is a big deal, an extra euro a bag, a few cents for briquettes. Whilst obviously we are reliant on our real fireplaces, or using them for cooking and the likes, it is too be expected if you don't keep your home moving with technology.

I buy in relatively small quantities, just for the fireplace in the living room. Seems there is a bit of a panic over nothing really, how quickly are people here burning through bags of coal and bales of briquettes? 4 bales last me ****ing ages and I have barely scratched the surface on my latest bag of coal, all bought last month.

casio4

TheDoc wrote: »

I pay €14 for a 40kg bag of coal and €10 for 4 bales of briquettes from a sole trader. He outlined that the coal will go up by a euro, but would bring it in line with most other sole traders,

that's a good price where in Dublin is it?

mikeecho

stocked up today.
Doubles at 13euro/40kg two pallets
And 40 briquettes at 3.20each

Will get another 20 or so briquettes when they are back in stock in the next few weeks hopefully.

PeterDuggan

mikeecho wrote: »

40 briquettes at 3.20each

Are they BnM briquettes and where are you getting them at that price please?

mikeecho

PeterDuggan wrote: »

Are they BnM briquettes and where are you getting them at that price please?

BnaM briquettes.
I get them from a local coal merchant.
He's sold out of briquettes now.

But he sells me the briquettes at what he says is cost price, because I buy large quantities of coal from him.

Hootanany

Any chance of a Pm with his location please.

finnharpsboy

plenty of BnM briquettes available where i work, no rationing of them either

Cantona's Collars

kampik wrote: »

I'm new to heating with coal. Is there anything like summer coal prices in Ireland? Before I discovered this topic I was about to wait for the summer and see but now I'm thinking that it will be safer to buy it before end of the month.

Picked up coal today for €10 for a 40kg bag,the guy selling it told me it produces a bit more ash compared to the dearer stuff he has.Burning it now & the heat off it is unreal.

Prices for coal in Co.Wexford are very reasonable,€10 for 40kg is the cheapest I've seen anywhere.

vicwatson

zerks wrote: »

Picked up coal today for €10 for a 40kg bag,the guy selling it told me it produces a bit more ash compared to the dearer stuff he has.Burning it now & the heat off it is unreal.

Prices for coal in Co.Wexford are very reasonable,€10 for 40kg is the cheapest I've seen anywhere.

Is that off the chap you pm'd me before Zerks? Is it the smoky stuff?

I couldn't care about the ash tbh

allthedoyles

could you post a pic of the coal -- not the bag .. just the coal

Cantona's Collars

vicwatson wrote: »

Is that off the chap you pm'd me before Zerks? Is it the smoky stuff?

I couldn't care about the ash tbh

No,it's a different crowd.They are located where O' Leary's Skoda garage used to be on the Old Dublin Rd. almost opposite the NCT centre in Enniscorthy.They have different types of coal,another bag is €11 & they have more expensive stuff,think they have turf aswell.I just asked for the cheapest coal they had.
It's not smokeless,but there's not too much smoke off it,I was burning timber aswell though.

After burning it for a while this evening the ash isn't bad as it burns away to almost nothing and seems to last longer than some of the dearer stuff.For a tenner a bag,I'd put up with cleaning out the fire an extra day than normal.

Cantona's Collars

allthedoyles wrote: »

could you post a pic of the coal -- not the bag .. just the coal

It's a kind of grey/black colour,not like the jet black of 'normal' coal,tbh it looks kinda like shale if you get what I mean.Burns grand though.
The cheap coal I normally get is Staffords red bags @ 2 for €23 which is grand also.
I got cheap coal before & it was rubbish,there were big clinkers left behind,I might as well have been burning rocks out of a ditch.

bmaxi

zerks wrote: »

Picked up coal today for €10 for a 40kg bag,the guy selling it told me it produces a bit more ash compared to the dearer stuff he has.Burning it now & the heat off it is unreal.

Prices for coal in Co.Wexford are very reasonable,€10 for 40kg is the cheapest I've seen anywhere.

Not that cheap around Gorey that I've seen, averages €13/14. WFC were doing Staffords Premium Coal, 5x40kg bags + 5 briquettes for €97 delivered, which was quite a good deal IMO but I don't know if Gardiner grain are continuing that.

vicwatson

zerks wrote: »

No,it's a different crowd.They are located where O' Leary's Skoda garage used to be on the Old Dublin Rd. almost opposite the NCT centre in Enniscorthy.They have different types of coal,another bag is €11 & they have more expensive stuff,think they have turf aswell.I just asked for the cheapest coal they had.
It's not smokeless,but there's not too much smoke off it,I was burning timber aswell though.

After burning it for a while this evening the ash isn't bad as it burns away to almost nothing and seems to last longer than some of the dearer stuff.For a tenner a bag,I'd put up with cleaning out the fire an extra day than normal.

So would I.

They open the weekends you know??

paddy147

I might just start selling my briquette stockpile so.

Buy low and sell High

Nice little earner in it so.:D

Cantona's Collars

vicwatson wrote: »

So would I.

They open the weekends you know??

Don't know about Sunday's but they are open Saturdays.There's a place across the road that sells coal also @ €12.50 a bag,they also do timber,eco logs etc.
Enniscorthy seems to have a plethora of fuel merchants these days,afaik there's another in the Old Dunnes car park.These are just the new guys,we still have the long established merchants also.

Kehoes on Lower Shannon do 2 bags of Staffords (red) for €23.

vicwatson

paddy147 wrote: »

I might just start selling my briquette stockpile so.

Buy low and sell High

Nice little earner in it so.:D

Meh we don't want those cardboard briquettes from Estonia :D:D :P

paddy147

vicwatson wrote: »

Meh we don't want those cardboard briquettes from Estonia :D:D :P

What about the BnM ones then??

I mean if Woodies can flog them to auld biddies for 4 euro 50 cents.:rolleyes::eek:

That would be a 1 euro 50 cents profit for me on each bale.:D:D

vicwatson

paddy147 wrote: »

What about the BnM ones then??

I mean if Woodies can flog them to auld biddies for 4 euro 50 cents.:rolleyes::eek:

That would be a 1 euro 50 cents profit for me on each bale.:D:D

Go for it Paddy, go for it ! I'll take 10 bales at 3 yo yos a pop ok?

finnharpsboy

ill sell ya bord na mona ones for an extra 33 cent

Cantona's Collars

Spotted this morning @ Cooney & Furlong Enniscorthy (formerly WFC) :

2 x 40kg Red bags of Staffords Coal + 2 packs of eco briquettes for €25.

The briquettes look like these ones,



@Bmaxi,afaik Cooney & Furlong have a branch in Gorey so I reckon they have the same deal.

sh1tstirrer

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I bought a tonne of blocks for £35 last year. Moving house now and will have an open fire again so looking at doing the same again plus some coal. Anyone close to the border go for these: http://www.cappertrading.com/pages/viewdetails.asp?ID=4&Item=42

No, more than likely what you bought was 2 half tonne gravel bags full of firewood. Firewood is sold by cubic meters. The seller will tell you he is selling half tonne bags of timber what he won't tell you is that they are half tonne gravel bags

bmaxi

zerks wrote: »

Spotted this morning @ Cooney & Furlong Enniscorthy (formerly WFC) :

2 x 40kg Red bags of Staffords Coal + 2 packs of eco briquettes for €25.

The briquettes look like these ones,



@Bmaxi,afaik Cooney & Furlong have a branch in Gorey so I reckon they have the same deal.

They don't have a branch in Gorey, unfortunately.

vickers209

Bumping up as Reminder

Only 1 week to go until the introduction of this.

Gadgetman496

Let the panic really start...:eek:

paddyp

Thought I'd be done with the coal by now, Looking at the longterm forecast today thursday night 4°C, friday night 4°C, saturday night 2°C.

And 1st of May 1°C

Australia looks more attractive by the day!

At least there won't be much grass to cut, doesn't bode well for the silage though!

touts

paddyp wrote: »

Thought I'd be done with the coal by now, Looking at the longterm forecast today thursday night 4°C, friday night 4°C, saturday night 2°C.

And 1st of May 1°C

Australia looks more attractive by the day!

At least there won't be much grass to cut, doesn't bode well for the silage though!

There go my fecking tomatoes...

paddyp

touts wrote: »

There go my fecking tomatoes...

With the weather we've been having its probably worth investing in some fleece, anyway it mightn't happen long term forecasts aren't great although its been spot on so far this year.

http://www.yr.no/place/Ireland/Munster/Tipperary/long.html

johnire

Hi folks.

Sorry to appear stupid here as the answer seems obvious to me but am I correct to say this tax won't be applicable to home heating oil and kerosene ?
At least 5 people have said the opposite to me so now I'm beginning to doubt myself!
Thanks.

paddyp

johnire wrote: »

Hi folks.

Sorry to appear stupid here as the answer seems obvious to me but am I correct to say this tax won't be applicable to home heating oil and kerosene ?
At least 5 people have said the opposite to me so now I'm beginning to doubt myself!
Thanks.

Its already on it. Carbon tax was introduced on oil and gas in 2010 and is already at the €20 per ton rate since last years budget.

Carbon is now trading at around €3 per ton so we're being robbed and when you look at the stats we have been for a while:

johnire

Thanks Paddyp- I knew I was right!

paddyp wrote: »

Its already on it. Carbon tax was introduced on oil and gas in 2010 and is already at the €20 per ton rate since last years budget.

Carbon is now trading at around €3 per ton so we're being robbed and when you look at the stats we have been for a while:

vickers209

Last Chance Saloon to stock up.

Really surprised hasn't been more in the media about this reminding people.
it will be a shock to some come September when they are looking for there supply for the winter!!:cool:

bri007

is it the 1st of may it comes into affect? I wont make it in today to stock up,will have to be tomorrow, hope its not over!

Anyone got any bnm briquettes from Grange lately,are they still 3 euro and stocked?

vickers209

being discussed on liveline at the minute

Ah sure its terrible joe

Capt'n Midnight

vickers209 wrote: »

Last Chance Saloon to stock up.

Really surprised hasn't been more in the media about this reminding people.
it will be a shock to some come September when they are looking for there supply for the winter!!:cool:

Why would it be in the media ? The stereotype of a journalist as a middle class person with central heating and reporting on middle class issues rolls on.

Look a the fuss over mortgages etc. , look at the salaries used as examples when calculating budget changes.

I'd be surprised if this generated more fuss than the €1 duty on wind.

bmaxi

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Why would it be in the media ? The stereotype of a journalist as a middle class person with central heating and reporting on middle class issues rolls on.

Look a the fuss over mortgages etc. , look at the salaries used as examples when calculating budget changes.

I'd be surprised if this generated more fuss than the €1 duty on wind.

We can all take comfort from the fact that this will contribute to the State's coffers, which in turn will enable the State to repay the money we didn't owe, to the bankers we didn't owe it to and which will allow those bankers to pay Richie Boucher his €840,000 salary so he can lose another €2bn which BOI can turn to the State to raise more taxes to pay to the bankers they borrow from, so they can pay Richie Boucher his €840,000 salary so he can etc. etc.
So, all in a good cause really, what does a few pensioners dying of hypothermia matter so long as Richie doesn't have to skimp on his heating.

StaticNoise

So what's the story: I order today (or by tomorrow) and I won't have to pay the extra tax to the feckers?
Looking at many of the smaller companies' websites, they don't seem to be flogging the information regarding the tax.

Surely they'd get a ton of business if they spread the word?

finnharpsboy

bri007 wrote: »

is it the 1st of may it comes into affect? I wont make it in today to stock up,will have to be tomorrow, hope its not over!

Anyone got any bnm briquettes from Grange lately,are they still 3 euro and stocked?

ill sell you the bnm briquettes 3 for a tenner

Capt'n Midnight

bmaxi wrote: »

So, all in a good cause really, what does a few pensioners dying of hypothermia matter so long as Richie doesn't have to skimp on his heating.

http://alone.ie/the-cold-hurts-the-old/

There is a significant rise in mortality rates among over 65’s during the winter period. During the winter of 2006/2007 (the most recent figures available) there were 1,281 excess winter deaths (i.e. the number of deaths occurring in the winter months compared to the rest of the year). Of these ‘excess’ deaths, 95% were of people aged over 65.

vicwatson

bmaxi wrote: »

We can all take comfort from the fact that this will contribute to the State's coffers, which in turn will enable the State to repay the money we didn't owe, to the bankers we didn't owe it to and which will allow those bankers to pay Richie Boucher his €840,000 salary so he can lose another €2bn which BOI can turn to the State to raise more taxes to pay to the bankers they borrow from, so they can pay Richie Boucher his €840,000 salary so he can etc. etc.
So, all in a good cause really, what does a few pensioners dying of hypothermia matter so long as Richie doesn't have to skimp on his heating.

POST OF THE DAY

Kristopherus

Coal suppliers advising customers in my neck of the woods that a bag of coal will go up by €1.20 from Wednesday.:eek:

allthedoyles

Local Glanbia branches are going to continue selling at pre-carbon price while stocks last

Slutmonkey57b

zerks wrote: »

Good old wood pellets are exempt,there was a huge push a few years ago for people to splash out huge sums on wood pellet burners which proved to be innefficient & costly to run & maintain.
I know loads of people who have given up using them & gone back to oil or coal fired heating systems.

As Paddy147 says, the government in this country have their heads in the clouds,they make it expensive to heat our homes & then tax us to live in them.The legacy of the loony Greens lives on & still blights our lives...Rant over,now to stock up on coal.

We live in a house with one of those burners installed by the previous owner. I'd happily hunt him down, strap him into it and burn the ****er alive.

If the burner didn't take an hour to get going. Or actually got hot enough to burn anything. Or didn't require disassembling every week to clean the various bits of it so it doesn't freak out and refuse to work. Or cost 200 quid a ****ing month to run.

Useless piece of ****.