Ireland Vs Austria - K/O 7:45PM - Sky Sports 2 & RTÉ 2

Jarrod

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

No it's not.

Okay, points first, obviously and then goal difference.

Celly Smunt

a snowflake hits the ground and melts and people think the game will be off

homerjay2005

gustafo wrote: »

his past his best alright but will always be an irish legend...don't think there will ever be a better striker to wear an irish shirt.

short selective memories is a very common trait for being an Irish football fan.

amazes me how much support Doyle got over a text message yet has only a fraction of the impact that Keane has had for this country. Keane on the other hand, seems to be hated by alot of Irish despite having the best scoring record in the history of our nation.

baffling.

Duff

roanoke wrote: »

Probably having flashback to 1995 when it happened ..... twice.

I'll see your mates dream, and raise you one dream I had last night. 1-0 Long header from a Mclean corner.

Augmerson

roanoke wrote: »

Probably having flashback to 1995 when it happened ..... twice.

Took Northern Ireland beating them 5-3 up at Windsor for us to get a chance at the Play-Off that time. The whole of Lansdowne was chanting "We Love you Northern Ireland, We Do" as we had lost 0-3 to Portugal.

nbar12

Duff wrote: »

I'll see your mates dream, and raise you one dream I had last night. 1-0 Long header from a Mclean corner.

everyone knows that won't happen, sure Mclean can't even cross the ball for a corner...last play before half time in the Sweden match...:pac:

Augmerson

homerjay2005 wrote: »

short selective memories is a very common trait for being an Irish football fan.

As are sweeping generalisations.

The_Kew_Tour

IMO we have to win our 4 remaining home games. Austria, Faroes, Sweden and Kazakhstan on the order we play them at home to get Play Off

10 points would be ok but we would have to win in Austria or Germany ( yikes) then.

markie29

Jarrod wrote: »

Okay, points first, obviously and then goal difference.

nope its head to head results that come it.
so lets ireland got a 0-0 draw against sweden last week but if sweden get a 1-1 draw against us and we end up on same points then sweden will be ahead of ireland in the table(i think)

Jarrod

homerjay2005 wrote: »

short selective memories is a very common trait for being an Irish football fan.

amazes me how much support Doyle got over a text message yet has only a fraction of the impact that Keane has had for this country. Keane on the other hand, seems to be hated by alot of Irish despite having the best scoring record in the history of our nation.

baffling.

Spot On. I said in the Sweden thread, if Keane's 'finished', as many have said, then Long and Doyle haven't even started and in Doyle's case probably never will.

Jarrod

markie29 wrote: »

nope its head to head results that come it.
so lets ireland got a 0-0 draw against sweden last week but if sweden get a 1-1 draw against us and we end up on same points then sweden will be ahead of ireland in the table(i think)

Nope, it's goal difference. I'll look for a link.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/47/38/17/regulationsfwcbrazil2014_en.pdf Page 25.

LuckyLloyd

Jarrod wrote: »

Okay, points first, obviously and then goal difference.

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Nope, head to head comes before goal difference.

Jarrod

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

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Nope, head to head comes before goal difference.

See the link in my previous post. Points, goal difference, goals scored and then head to head. In that order.

LuckyLloyd

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

IMO we have to win our 4 remaining home games. Austria, Faroes, Sweden and Kazakhstan on the order we play them at home to get Play Off

10 points would be ok but we would have to win in Austria or Germany ( yikes) then.

Agree. Win every game at home, draw in Austria and we'll be fierce close to a playoff spot.

SlickRic

if we are to have a shot at qualifying, we must win every home game from now on in.

simple as.

there are no ifs, buts, ors, or anything.

we'd need a minor miracle to get 2nd if we don't.

LuckyLloyd

Jarrod wrote: »

Nope, it's goal difference. I'll look for a link.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/47/38/17/regulationsfwcbrazil2014_en.pdf Page 25.

Jarrod wrote: »

See the link in my previous post. Points, goal difference, goals scored and then head to head. In that order.

I stand corrected, apologies. Seems like a poor change - always felt the head to head record was the most reasonable tiebreaker available.

homerjay2005

Augmerson wrote: »

As are sweeping generalisations.

saying something is common, is not a generalisation. he does not have the full support of the Irish nation, neither does the manager.

are you honestly saying this is not true?

LuckyLloyd

SlickRic wrote: »

if we are to have a shot at qualifying, we must win every home game from now on in.

simple as.

there are no ifs, buts, ors, or anything.

we'd need a minor miracle to get 2nd if we don't.

Or just win in Vienna. Draw two at home and, yeah, we're goosed because we then would probably need a win in Germany.

briany

Augmerson wrote: »

Took Northern Ireland beating them 5-3 up at Windsor for us to get a chance at the Play-Off that time. The whole of Lansdowne was chanting "We Love you Northern Ireland, We Do" as we had lost 0-3 to Portugal.

That defeat was actually away in the Estadio de Luz. Ireland beat Portugal in Dublin thanks to an O.G.

Some group though, everyone was taking points off each other. That was the group that had the infamous 0-0 v. Lichtenstein (wasn't there a book written about it?!). Latvia chipped in to help the Irish cause by beating Austria as well.

Jarrod

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I stand corrected, apologies. Seems like a poor change - always felt the head to head record was the most reasonable tiebreaker available.

No worries, it was only changed recently, I think it's better to be honest. It's a league format which is a test over a number of games rather than just between two teams and I think goal difference is a better indicator in that case. Also, I thought the way that away goals counted in head to head was nonsense given that the games weren't played as though they were knock out matches.

Anyway, probably slightly OT, so back to the matter at hand. COYBIG!

Augmerson

briany wrote: »

That defeat was actually away in the Estadio de Luz. Ireland beat Portugal in Dublin thanks to an O.G.

Some group though, everyone was taking points off each other. That was the group that had the infamous 0-0 v. Lichtenstein (wasn't there a book written about it?!). Latvia chipped in to help the Irish cause by beating Austria as well.

I remember watching that 0-0 game against Lichtenstein. Jesus. Aldridge scored with a handball, out of frustration I guess. I remember the park they played in looked like the one at the back of the fields in our estate.

#you'llneverbeatthelichtensteinians

Imhof Tank

briany wrote: »

That defeat was actually away in the Estadio de Luz. Ireland beat Portugal in Dublin thanks to an O.G.

Some group though, everyone was taking points off each other. That was the group that had the infamous 0-0 v. Lichtenstein (wasn't there a book written about it?!). Latvia chipped in to help the Irish cause by beating Austria as well.

The headline writers had fun after that Latvia result:

Thanks a Lat!

Lat'll do Nicely!

LuckyLloyd

briany wrote: »

That defeat was actually away in the Estadio de Luz. Ireland beat Portugal in Dublin thanks to an O.G.

Some group though, everyone was taking points off each other. That was the group that had the infamous 0-0 v. Lichtenstein (wasn't there a book written about it?!). Latvia chipped in to help the Irish cause by beating Austria as well.

We totally blew qualification down the stretch. A draw in either Austria game or a goal in Liechtenstein would probably have been enough to get us over the line and avoid a playoff. Even then, a once off playoff in Anfield should have been doable.

dfx-

Augmerson wrote: »

I remember watching that 0-0 game against Lichtenstein. Jesus. Aldridge scored with a handball, out of frustration I guess. I remember the park they played in looked like the one at the back of the fields in our estate.

#you'llneverbeatthelichtensteinians

I won £2 in school then for predicting the scoreline correctly. :cool:

Pro. F

gosplan wrote: »

You can be very astute at times but do you really think there's no difference between club and international experience? You wouldn't be worried about fielding a team full of first caps as long as they had played a good bit for their club?

I would be worried about fielding a team of first caps yes, but for different and very obvious reasons.

Starting a quality player like Hoolahan who has been doing very well in the EPL for two years and is 30 years old is not something to worry about in the slightest in terms of experience.

All of Robbie Keane's international experience doesn't come close to making up the difference in their skill at playing that position.

gosplan wrote: »

Hang on a minute.

Am I correct in saying that people in this thread are now arguing that we don't play 4-4-2 but rather 4-4-1-1 with Robbie Keane in the Wes Hoolahan role, and that there's no real difference in playing Hoolahan there now?

No you are not correct. I like the way you don't bother quoting anybody in this post so you can subtlety change what has been said in order to try and discredit it. It's obvious what you are doing there and it's dumb.

Imhof Tank

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

We totally blew qualification down the stretch. A draw in either Austria game or a goal in Liechtenstein would probably have been enough to get us over the line and avoid a playoff. Even then, a once off playoff in Anfield should have been doable.

In theory maybe - but not when it was confirmed we would be facing Holland.

Klivert, Davids and Seedorf arrived that night. We were totally outclassed and flattered by the result.

Augmerson

dfx- wrote: »

I won £2 in school then for predicting the scoreline correctly. :cool:

You horrible little scrote. You bet against your own country!??!!?

I hope you spent the 2 quid on Premier League stickers and a Mr. Freeze tho.

roanoke

Imhof Tank wrote: »

In theory maybe - but not when it was confirmed we would be facing Holland.

Klivert, Davids and Seedorf arrived that night. We were totally outclassed and flattered by the result.

8 of the Netherlands starting line-up at Anfield were part of the team that had won the Champions League the previous May. It was not only like playing a club side, but possibly the best club side in Europe.

Al Capwned

The Guardian wrote: »

any stadium without a retractable roof is a dump imo
questions need to be answered

watching the nordies with their shovels and tractors on fri / sat was cringe
i pinched myself at times, wondering if i was staring in a sequel to back to the future III, back to the future IV if you like

You on a wind up or what???

ionadnapokot

Just got a flash back

Andreas Ogris

Peter Stöger

and the Mullet...Toni Polster

PurpleSt4in

2-1 Georgia, 1-1 Bulgaria, 2-2 Italy, 0-0 Montenegro, 0-1 France, 1-6 Germany
3-1 Andorra, 2-3 Russia, 2-1 Macedonia, 0-0 Slovakia, 2-1 Armenia, 1-1 Estonia

Our home performances under Trap in competitive fixtures; against teams of the same ilk as Austria, at home, we tend to draw.

roryc

Is it snowing in Ireland yeah? How do people think we will cope with that, better or worse? I would assume the Austrians are more used to playing in snow than us so it's probably not good news...

As for the post above, I don't think Ireland will be settling for a draw tonight. They know that it's a must win game, something reiterated by Seamus Coleman - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21933535. Whereas an away draw against Sweden was obviously a good result, especially after our respective results against Germany.

If it's 0-0 in the 80th minute tonight I would much prefer Ireland to push on and go for it in the last 10, at the risk of losing the game. If we win we have a decent chance of pushing on, if we lose we are almost certainly out. A draw just delays the inevitable imo

For the bettors among us, Ireland are going into this game as favourites. Austria are 2/1 or bigger to come away with 3 points.

briany

roryc wrote: »

Is it snowing in Ireland yeah? How do people think we will cope with that, better or worse? I would assume the Austrians are more used to playing in snow than us so it's probably not good news...

As for the post above, I don't think Ireland will be settling for a draw tonight. They know that it's a must win game, something reiterated by Seamus Coleman - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21933535. Whereas an away draw against Sweden was obviously a good result, especially after our respective results against Germany.

If it's 0-0 in the 80th minute tonight I would much prefer Ireland to push on and go for it in the last 10, at the risk of losing the game. If we win we have a decent chance of pushing on, if we lose we are almost certainly out. A draw just delays the inevitable imo

For the bettors among us, Ireland are going into this game as favourites. Austria are 2/1 or bigger to come away with 3 points.

Ireland have a history of drawing 'must win' games, especially at home and especially under Trapattoni. It's the same guff we always get out of the team camp. It's what they have to say and the every team goes into a game looking to win no matter how slight the chance I suppose. At the end of the day, they'll do the talking on the pitch where it matters.

Ormus

There is only a very subtle difference between an attacking midfielder and a number 10 deep striker.

Basically an attacking midfielder will make runs from deep and arrive in the forward position, a la Hoolahan/Lampard/Cahill/Gerrard, whereas a classic number 10 will play as a forward but drop deep receive the ball and link play, a la Rooney/Bergkamp/Del Piero/Cantona.

They both tend to end up in the same position but they arrive there from different places. Thus, it is not advisable to play one of each in the same team cos they are liable to get in each others way unless they can figure out how to dovetail.

stevenmu

roryc wrote: »

Is it snowing in Ireland yeah? How do people think we will cope with that, better or worse? I would assume the Austrians are more used to playing in snow than us so it's probably not good news...

It's snowing on and off at the moment in Dublin, but it's melting as soon as it lands and doesn't seem heavy enough to stick. Unless it changes drastically in the next few hours (which at this rate it very well could), it doesn't seem like it'll affect the game too much.

SlickRic

i'm actually nervous for this.

PurpleSt4in

There's no chance of this game getting postponed is there?

The Guardian

i'd settle for a draw now
the snow is a sign
we're doomed
if austria score early this could be over by HT

shane long offers nothing - no way he should be in the starting line up
doyle and walters would be my first choice strike force, even with bob and claudine keane fit

Pudsy33

The Guardian wrote: »

i'd settle for a draw now
the snow is a sign
we're doomed
if austria score early this could be over by HT

shane long offers nothing - no way he should be in the starting line up
doyle and walters would be my first choice strike force, even with bob and claudine keane fit

You must be on a windup, he is our best striker beyond all reasonable doubt :rolleyes:

SlickRic

The Guardian wrote: »

i'd settle for a draw now
the snow is a sign
we're doomed
if austria score early this could be over by HT

shane long offers nothing - no way he should be in the starting line up
doyle and walters would be my first choice strike force, even with bob and claudine keane fit

LuckyLloyd

Pudsy33 wrote: »

You must be on a windup, he is our best striker beyond all reasonable doubt :rolleyes:

Meh, doesn't score much. Keane is still our best goal getter and that's the problem. Walters / Long put in a great shift but their goals per game ratio over large sample sizes don't lie.

Ormus

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Meh, doesn't score much. Keane is still our best goal getter and that's the problem. Walters / Long put in a great shift but their goals per game ratio over large sample sizes don't lie.

Think Keane has 1 goal from play in his last 17

Combine that with less running and less aerial ability

Don't get me wrong, he has been great for Ireland down through the years but Long is a better player now.

RandolphEsq

The Guardian wrote: »

i'd settle for a draw now
the snow is a sign
we're doomed
if austria score early this could be over by HT

shane long offers nothing - no way he should be in the starting line up
doyle and walters would be my first choice strike force, even with bob and claudine keane fit

wonderfullife

I'll stick my neck out and predict a comprehensive win for us tonight, i think we'll beat them 4-1.

Gonna go for a Shane Long brace, John O' Shea to pop up with a rare header and a Glenn Whelan deflected free kick sailing into the top corner :cool:

McClean to be named MOTM.

Heard it here first :pac:

Pro. F

Ormus wrote: »

There is only a very subtle difference between an attacking midfielder and a number 10 deep striker.

Basically an attacking midfielder will make runs from deep and arrive in the forward position, a la Hoolahan/Lampard/Cahill/Gerrard, whereas a classic number 10 will play as a forward but drop deep receive the ball and link play, a la Rooney/Bergkamp/Del Piero/Cantona.

They both tend to end up in the same position but they arrive there from different places. Thus, it is not advisable to play one of each in the same team cos they are liable to get in each others way unless they can figure out how to dovetail.

Number 10 is just the Argentinian name for the position behind the CF. It can apply to a Messi or a Riquelme. There's no hard and fast rule about the names of the position imo, although I agree the second group of players you mention there are more like strikers.

I agree with you playing two of them in the same team behind a centre forward would be a bit mad.

newballsplease

The guardian is Trolling here all day!

ozymandias10

newballsplease wrote: »

The guardian is Trolling here all day!

yep....no one should bite

Ormus

Pro. F wrote: »

Number 10 is just the Argentinian name for the position behind the CF. It can apply to a Messi or a Riquelme. There's no hard and fast rule about the names of the position imo, although I agree the second group of players you mention there are more like strikers.

I agree with you playing two of them in the same team behind a centre forward would be a bit mad.

Yeah I think the South Americans give the 10 jersey to their most creative player, whether he is a forward like Messi/Maradona, or a midfielder like Valderrama/Riquelme/Redondo.

In English football I don't remember many midfielders wearing number 10.

Then again shirt numbers hardly matter anymore.

Anyway, this is a bit off topic, sorry.

That_Guy

newballsplease wrote: »

The guardian is Trolling here all day!

It's probably Barry Glendenning.

Thecon21

Has full official line up been announced? Just in work here, haven't got time to have read through previous pages?

Cheers!