Kieran Dennisons motion and Corduff parking issue

Knine

elfy4eva wrote: »

Why won't they?

Because there is no room and they were blocking my access and I have a passenger with a disability.

I have often walked past the college and there are empy spaces yet in Sheephill, it is like a car park. I've seen people in wheelchairs struggle as the cars are parked on footpaths. Half them look like they have been abandoned.

I'm a local and should be able to use the car park at the shops to park in when I have a passenger who can't walk properly. Simple as that.

elfy4eva

Knine wrote: »

Because there is no room and they were blocking my access and I have a passenger with a disability.

I have often walked past the college and there are empy spaces yet in Sheephill, it is like a car park. I've seen people in wheelchairs struggle as the cars are parked on footpaths. Half them look like they have been abandoned.

I'm a local and should be able to use the car park at the shops to park in when I have a passenger who can't walk properly. Simple as that.

Doesn't answer my question though. Why won't they park outside your house what will deter them?

Knine

elfy4eva wrote: »

Doesn't answer my question though. Why won't they park outside your house what will deter them?

They were told nicely not to do it again. They got the message.

I will point out also that the church car park is for the shops and the school. There has been a sign up a while now.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

chucknorris wrote: »

Put yourself in students shoes also. It's not ideal, but they are the realities.

I have been in these student shoes and I got the bus. It took me 2 hours every morning to get there and 2 in the evenings to get home. If I had a few hours between lectures I couldn't just pop home and go back later. I had to stay there all day. I would of course have driven to college and paid whatever fee they wanted to avoid this commute but I couldn't actually afford to have a car when I was a student!

Now these students are moaning because they have to walk maybe 10 minutes from the bus stop, or maybe have to go a little bit earlier than they need to because the bus only runs once an hour. As has been pointed out a lot already if they can afford to be driving to college in their cars they can't be that hard up. I will not feel sorry for them.

Maybe the IT should look into where their students actually live. If you're coming from somewhere outside a certain radius and genuinely have to drive then you get a permit to park at a reduced price. If you live within a certain radius you don't.

Like I said before, it's up to the IT to provide facilities for their students, not the local housing estates. And you can say what you want about "public roads" and "they're within their rights" but you can't tell me that parking on a main road between two junctions is safely parked. Some of them may be parked in the estates safely enough, but they are not all.

elfy4eva

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I have been in these student shoes and I got the bus. It took me 2 hours every morning to get there and 2 in the evenings to get home. If I had a few hours between lectures I couldn't just pop home and go back later. I had to stay there all day. I would of course have driven to college and paid whatever fee they wanted to avoid this commute but I couldn't actually afford to have a car when I was a student!

Now these students are moaning because they have to walk maybe 10 minutes from the bus stop, or maybe have to go a little bit earlier than they need to because the bus only runs once an hour. As has been pointed out a lot already if they can afford to be driving to college in their cars they can't be that hard up. I will not feel sorry for them.

Maybe the IT should look into where their students actually live. If you're coming from somewhere outside a certain radius and genuinely have to drive then you get a permit to park at a reduced price. If you live within a certain radius you don't.

Like I said before, it's up to the IT to provide facilities for their students, not the local housing estates. And you can say what you want about "public roads" and "they're within their rights" but you can't tell me that parking on a main road between two junctions is safely parked. Some of them may be parked in the estates safely enough, but they are not all.

If it's not safely parked you can report it to the Gards and it will be removed that has been stated numerous times.

Knine

elfy4eva wrote: »

If it's not safely parked you can report it to the Gards and it will be removed that has been stated numerous times.

Yeah right and by the time the guards come along it will be the summer holidays.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

elfy4eva wrote: »

If it's not safely parked you can report it to the Gards and it will be removed that has been stated numerous times.

Yes, because the Gardai in the greater Blanchardstown area have nothing more important to be doing with their time.

elfy4eva

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Yes, because the Gardai in the greater Blanchardstown area have nothing more important to be doing with their time.

I've nothing further to add to this thread all the real solutions are getting guffawed by stubborn residents.

Justin10

The guards are constantly in the area checking these cars for tax.

chucknorris

Excuses, excuses, excuses. The Gardi this, the council that, students are this. Grow up and face reality and get up to speed with the laws and by-laws.

Gardi HAVE removed cars on numerous occasions, to the extent that poor parking seems to be non existent now.

Just to make my point crystal clear. If students are parked correctly and responsibly, there is nothing you, the Gardi, the council or indeed can do about it.

You can park responsibly in Corduff grove and Sheephill, whether you are a student, a resident, a doctor, a nurse, a postman, a priest etc.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

elfy4eva wrote: »

I've nothing further to add to this thread all the real solutions are getting guffawed by stubborn residents.

I'm not guffawing your suggestions. I'm just pointing out it's as realistic as the idea of clamping or pay & display.

Also, most non residents seem to think that residents should just put up with it. Unless it's really obviously dangerously parked we should just accept the fact that we can't park at our local shops, or drop kids off or pick kids up from school without having to pick our way through a maze of cars. That at times we'd need to be specialist drivers to navigate the obstacle course of cars at the entrance to estates.

Doesn't seem too unreasonable to want a better solution than just leave them to it, sure they're only poor students.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

chucknorris wrote: »

Excuses, excuses, excuses. The Gardi this, the council that, students are this. Grow up and face reality and get up to speed with the laws and by-laws.

Gardi HAVE removed cars on numerous occasions, to the extent that poor parking seems to be non existent now.

Just to make my point crystal clear. If students are parked correctly and responsibly, there is nothing you, the Gardi, the council or indeed can do about it.

You can park responsibly in Corduff grove and Sheephill, whether you are a student, a resident, a doctor, a nurse, a postman, a priest etc.

Oh well, now you've spoken we should all just stop having opinions on this matter entirely. Glad you could come along and sort that for us.

Morag

If the cars are dangerously parked take pics, ring the garda and get on to your estate mangement team. We'd idoits parting on top of a junction and after sending several emails showing the dangerous parking a fence on the grass verge went up and double yellow lines.

Put pressure on local councillers, get people writing and emailing, get them to contact ITB. ITB know they do not have enough parking places, which is why they over sell parking permit and which don't guarantee students a parking spot.

If you have a permit and there are no spots they expect people to drive back down to the NAC or the Shopping center park there and show their permit to get on the shuttle bus, seriously WTF!

chucknorris

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Oh well, now you've spoken we should all just stop having opinions on this matter entirely. Glad you could come along and sort that for us.

I would have expected you to at least come across more coherent with your suggestions, but you didn't.

I'm from Corduff and I know the issue as well as most on here, but there is a reality - you cannot stop students parking and there WILL NOT be metered parking or yellow lines because that would affect relatives and friends of residents and RESIDENTS HAVE ALREADY REJECTED THAT OPTION.

Sorry for shouting, but I don't think you're facing the obstacles to a solution on this one.

If it were all that easy, it wouldn't be going on Three years now.

For all the posts that have mentioned the examples of disabled users getting in cars etc, I'd take that with a grain of salt. Yes the parking situation was over whelming at one stage, but thanks to the Gardi, the parking is quite responsible now. Students do not block in cars, or gardens anymore.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

chucknorris wrote: »

I would have expected you to at least come across more coherent with your suggestions, but you didn't.

The point of this thread was for peoples thoughts and opinions on this matter. That's what we've been doing. I wasn't aware that I would need to have a full presentation to make to you on my suggestions for possible solutions. Obviously I know there are no actual laws being broken here. That doesn't mean it's not an inconvenience to residents.

I am well aware that any actual restrictions put on parking would also have an impact on locals. The point I would make there is that none of this would be necessary if the students weren't parking where they are.

chucknorris

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

The point of this thread was for peoples thoughts and opinions on this matter. That's what we've been doing. I wasn't aware that I would need to have a full presentation to make to you on my suggestions for possible solutions. Obviously I know there are no actual laws being broken here. That doesn't mean it's not an inconvenience to residents.

I am well aware that any actual restrictions put on parking would also have an impact on locals. The point I would make there is that none of this would be necessary if the students weren't parking where they are.

OK, but they are, and allot of the options being muted, have been discussed and rejected a long time now. The point of the thread from I see from the OP is opinions on the Dennison motion and the SF stunt specifically.

There is no magic solution and it'll be some time before the issue is resolved because until the ITB make substantial efforts to resolve it, it will continue.

This carry on below is harmful to the areas reputation, as Corduff is quite a settled area now, and we don't need that carry on.

Knine

chucknorris wrote: »

I would have expected you to at least come across more coherent with your suggestions, but you didn't.

I'm from Corduff and I know the issue as well as most on here, but there is a reality - you cannot stop students parking and there WILL NOT be metered parking or yellow lines because that would affect relatives and friends of residents and RESIDENTS HAVE ALREADY REJECTED THAT OPTION.

Sorry for shouting, but I don't think you're facing the obstacles to a solution on this one.

If it were all that easy, it wouldn't be going on Three years now.

For all the posts that have mentioned the examples of disabled users getting in cars etc, I'd take that with a grain of salt. Yes the parking situation was over whelming at one stage, but thanks to the Gardi, the parking is quite responsible now. Students do not block in cars, or gardens anymore.

Unless of course you are faced with disability then ignorance is bliss. I have two close family members that live with disabilty and life is tough enough without not being able to to your local shops when you need to.

Personally I would not park my car outside someones house and then amble off for the day.

jam_mac_jam

Parking is not for residents only if this is a public road and they are not blocking anyone then they can park where they like. People do not own the road in front of their houses.

chucknorris

Knine wrote: »

Unless of course you are faced with disability then ignorance is bliss. I have two close family members that live with disabilty and life is tough enough without not being able to to your local shops when you need to.

Personally I would not park my car outside someones house and then amble off for the day.

That's fine, however examples were given about people not being able to get in to their cars, who are disabled etc, and I'm telling you that in the context of Sheephill, you are mistaken as I know every single person in Sheephill and the students don't affect anyone from getting in their cars and it's simply an exaggeration.

Please don't over do it with the explanations, when the examples are not true.

Of the people in Corduff who are disabled, none of them are affected by student parking and I am 100% positive about that. You are portraying a carnage image for people reading this and you are completely wrong to do that.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

chucknorris wrote: »

OK, but they are, and allot of the options being muted, have been discussed and rejected a long time now. The point of the thread from I see from the OP is opinions on the Dennison motion and the SF stunt specifically.

There is no magic solution and it'll be some time before the issue is resolved because until the ITB make substantial efforts to resolve it, it will continue.

This carry on below is harmful to the areas reputation, as Corduff is quite a settled area now, and we don't need that carry on.

And I think you'll find that we all agreed earlier in the thread that nobody supported the actions of either of these politicians in the matter. Even those of us who feel strongly about the issue do not support Sinn Fein or the likes sticking their oar in like this.

chucknorris

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

And I think you'll find that we all agreed earlier in the thread that nobody supported the actions of either of these politicians in the matter. Even those of us who feel strongly about the issue do not support Sinn Fein or the likes sticking their oar in like this.

OK, so we can all agree on something. There is hope.

Knine

Eh Chucknorris. My examples are very true. They affect my family directly as we cannot park at the local shops due to the parking situation.

As I said ignorance is bliss. Just because the disabled are a minority group does not mean they should have to suffer!

chucknorris

Knine wrote: »

Eh Chucknorris. My examples are very true. They affect my family directly as we cannot park at the local shops due to the parking situation.

As I said ignorance is bliss. Just because the disabled are a minority group does not mean they should have to suffer!

The parking is quite responsible now, and most students park in Corduff grove and Sheephill Park. They prefer not to park so much at the shops.

Here is an image of the parking at Sheephill Park. This looks safe to me and responsible. If you look to the top of that road, you won't see any students park there. The issue is bad, but not as chatotic as suggested.

You'll also see the Sinn Fein poster, thankfully being ignored as Corduff is not 'Residents only parking', so that is very misleading.

Knine

I'm talking about the shops!

chucknorris

Knine wrote: »

I'm talking about the shops!

OK, students are parked in Corduff today. Take a photo and stick it up here please.

I haven't seen that car park as bad as what it used to be in 9 months.

HungryJoey

I'm pretty sure there are some internal complications in ITB which explain why they have private parking enforcement in place. There have been many roumors around the campus but roumors will be roumors. I'm sure the county council have some involvment in the situation too with public land surrounding the college.