Justice Minster Alan Shatter opinions on the man

Ranicand

delthedriver wrote: »

Absolutely no issues with Mr. Shatter.

Indeed I have the utmost respect for him.
I believe he is hardworking , honest, does a very good job in what is a very difficult Ministerial role. He is a vey able ,articulate ,highly intelligent and respectable gentleman who takes criticism on the chin from his detractors.

I see no reason why he should not continue in his role , despite the unfair criticism pointed in his direction. As a nation we should be proud to have a Man of Mr. Shatters background and education in the role of Minister of Justice and Defence.

To hell with the begrudgers !

Bravo.:):)

By the way how is the book on Irish sarcasm going you seem to be in form.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Ranicand wrote: »

Hebrew Heroes?

Back to the jew stuff again. You're coming across as very anti-Semitic.

Vizzy

Sergeant wrote: »

The usual petty, nasty and sneering Irish begrudgery masked as social justice.

Don't be so hard on yourself,some of your posts asctually make sense.

strongback

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

I never understand the Irish need to self-deprecate? Yes I am very intelligent. Its an objective fact, and I don't see how me acknowledging that makes me arrogant.

Anyway, this is not about me. Lets move on and get back to discussing Alan.

Do you live in Ireland? that's a fair question in relation to this discussion.

BTW most people who harp on about their intelligence usually aren't that intelligent. Intelligence is generally fairly apparent, it doesn't take a genius to recognise an intelligent person. As most of your arguments don't hold water I would say you are either not intelligent or more likely you are an unapologetic lobbyist.

hawkelady

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

I never understand the Irish need to self-deprecate? Yes I am very intelligent. Its an objective fact, and I don't see how me acknowledging that makes me arrogant.

Anyway, this is not about me. Lets move on and get back to discussing Alan.

Mr Rabin ,, I never cross over between threads but I'm compelled to do so on this occasion .. Remember the auld debate we had a week or so ago where you said that because Enda Kenny was praised by Obama on paddy day , that automatically meant that Kenny is a world class leader and his skills are unmatched.
And remember I posted back that Obama says the same thing every year , he even praised Cowen when he was our leader !!! You disappeared from that debate after that.
Well now , are you really as intelligent as you make out here.
Please back in your box mr Rabin ..

Ranicand

Emerie Eager Tableware wrote: »

Back to the jew stuff again. You're coming across as very anti-Semitic.

It must be just because I am less intelligent like the majority of the population.

I started this tread about Alan Shatter and it has been hijacked trolled and baited.

I think it is only fare to question the motivation of those flooding and pulling the thread off point.

Alan Shatter is not very popular right now.

Also those defending him come out with this bile.

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

How about we try politicians who are intelligent and competent, even if they come across as arrogant and aloof to people less intelligent than them?

Take a good look in the mirror before trying to smear others.

Chuck Stone

Sergeant wrote: »

The usual petty, nasty and sneering Irish begrudgery masked as social justice.

This 'Irish begrudgery' claim is intellectually lazy. I understand this discussion has broken down so much as to be rendered farcical but not all criticism of people with perceived success is 'Irish begrudgery'.

This thread is a joke.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Ranicand wrote: »

It must be just because I am less intelligent like the majority of the population.

I started this tread about Alan Shatter and it has been hijacked trolled and baited.

I think it is only fare to question the motivation of those flooding and pulling the thread off point.

Alan Shatter is not very popular right now.

Also those defending him come out with this bile.




Take a good look in the mirror before trying to smear others.

Yeah, it's everyone else's fault you keep referring back to Shatter's beliefs and ethnicity.

Ranicand

Emerie Eager Tableware wrote: »

Yeah, it's everyone else's fault you keep referring back to Shatter's beliefs and ethnicity.

Point to any post in this thread were I have done so.

All out the people defending him are the ones that have done that.

As regards offensive comments nobody can hold a cup to some of the clangers Minster Shatter had dropped himself over the years.

brimal

I think it's obvious what Ranicand's motive is by starting this thread, and it has been pointed out several times already by experienced posters on this thread

Yitzhak Rabin

hawkelady wrote: »

Mr Rabin ,, I never cross over between threads but I'm compelled to do so on this occasion .. Remember the auld debate we had a week or so ago where you said that because Enda Kenny was praised by Obama on paddy day , that automatically meant that Kenny is a world class leader and his skills are unmatched.
And remember I posted back that Obama says the same thing every year , he even praised Cowen when he was our leader !!! You disappeared from that debate after that.
Well now , are you really as intelligent as you make out here.
Please back in your box mr Rabin ..

This thread is already way off topic. I have no intention of indulging you and taking further on a tangent. I will return to the other thread and address that point at a later stage.

I am bowing out. Things are too heated here at the moment. I'll return when cooler heads prevail.

Duggys Housemate

tayto lover wrote: »

Everything.
Don't the Jews run U.S. politics.

http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/jewishlobby.shtml

ihr are holocaust Revisionists - you cant trust those buffoons.

Ranicand

brimal wrote: »

I think

You might what to try doing a little bit more of that.

Maudi

Chop Chop wrote: »

Minister shítter, wouldn't let the gardaí shíte in his bog?

What a racist.

id feel dirty if i used any toilet he'd used ugh..

Pappa Charlie

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

This thread is already way off topic. I have no intention of indulging you and taking further on a tangent. I will return to the other thread and address that point at a later stage.

I am bowing out. Things are too heated here at the moment. I'll return when cooler heads prevail.

First sign of intelligence so far!!!

delthedriver

Ranicand wrote: »

Bravo.:):)

By the way how is the book on Irish sarcasm going you seem to be in form.

Perhaps you could clarify please? Are you complimenting me or making a statement?

What exactly is your problem with Mr. Shatter? I think you are being grossly unfair and indeed extremely disrespectful to a Government Minister, who is trying to do his job in very difficult times.

Have you any positive suggestions as to how he may improve on whatever issues you are concerned about?

It is dreadfully unfair to attack an individual, for simply doing their job.

Cheers

Duggys Housemate

Disgusting series of posts by Tayto Lover including

1) links to holocaust denial websites
2) claims of Jewish control of America
3) attacks on Shatters ethnoreligious background unrelated to this thread topic.
4) claims of greater loyalty to Israel than Ireland because the minister is Jewish.

delthedriver

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Disgusting series of posts by Tayto Lover including

1) links to holocaust denial websites
2) claims of Jewish control of America
3) attacks on Shatters ethnoreligious background unrelated to this thread topic.
4) claims of greater loyalty to Israel than Ireland because the minister is Jewish.

I think it is absolutely disgusting and unfair that our Minister for Justice & Defence, Mr. Shatter should be treated with the total contempt and disrespect shown on this thread.

hawkelady

delthedriver wrote: »

I think it is absolutely disgusting and unfair that our Minister for Justice & Defence, Mr. Shatter should be treated with the total contempt and disrespect shown on this thread.

LOL... You make it sound as if we are living in North Korea !!!!!
You saying we shouldn't speak our views about auld Alan???
Alan is a plank. Tell me your thoughts on Alan ......
I beginning to think that most of the cabinet lurks around here the way some people are going on!!! Defend FG at all costs...
People have the right to their opinion you know.

tayto lover

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Disgusting series of posts by Tayto Lover including

1) links to holocaust denial websites
2) claims of Jewish control of America
3) attacks on Shatters ethnoreligious background unrelated to this thread topic.
4) claims of greater loyalty to Israel than Ireland because the minister is Jewish.

Ah come off it.
Those websites are freely there if you google.
All you are doing is attempting to circle the wagons and get all the shills to thank you.
Shatter is no angel and spins plenty of pro Israeli stuff himself.
Did you all forget his his feeble reaction to the murders of the Turks on the relief ship?
I'm actually surprised you only got a few thanks for your post. The others must have missed the signal.

Ash.J.Williams

Shatter is alright, country needs cleaning up and he's coming up with solutions.

delthedriver

hawkelady wrote: »

LOL... You make it sound as if we are living in North Korea !!!!!
You saying we shouldn't speak our views about auld Alan???
Alan is a plank. Tell me your thoughts on Alan ......
I beginning to think that most of the cabinet lurks around here the way some people are going on!!! Defend FG at all costs...
People have the right to their opinion you know.

LOL

Happy Easter!

Not for a moment am I comparing Ireland with North Korea, and of course you are right , this is a democracy, where we have a right to free speech.

I am not defending Fine Gael, I am simply suggesting that we show respect to The Minister, and put forward criticisms in a constructive way.

People unloading their bile here serves no purpose in trying to generate constructive dialogue.

PS . My thoughts about Minister Shatter, have already been posted this evening if you wish to scroll back.

Thank you.

Augmerson

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Shatter is alright, country needs cleaning up and he's coming up with solutions.

You make it sound like he is Knightrider or something. A lone wolf, working on his own, to free Ireland from......ITSELF.

K-9

omahaid wrote: »

I think Shatter is going a fair job considering how unpopular it is. John O Donoghue never recieved as much vitriol as Shatter and Shatter seems to be reasonably honest in comparison.

O'Donughue got loads of vitriol, as did many FF politicians throughout the country, as Martin still gets and rightly so.

I read a Gerald Seymour book about Sobibor just over the last week. Beautifully written, so evocative and atypical.

Compare and contrast with the current situation. The exception has become the norm.

delthedriver

Augmerson wrote: »

You make it sound like he is Knightrider or something. A lone wolf, working on his own, to free Ireland from......ITSELF.

To be fair that may be your opinnion, to which your are entitled. However it is not what the Poster said nor implied

Ash.J.Williams

Augmerson wrote: »

You make it sound like he is Knightrider or something. A lone wolf, working on his own, to free Ireland from......ITSELF.

Not at all

Augmerson

delthedriver wrote: »

To be fair that may be your opinnion, to which your are entitled. However it is not what the Poster said nor implied

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg

I'll get my coat.

strongback

The Fine Gael hacks coming out of the woodwork are ridiculous in this thread. It's almost like low budget mind control.

delthedriver

strongback wrote: »

The Fine Gael hacks coming out of the woodwork are ridiculous in this thread. It's almost like low budget mind control.

Have you managed to identify any Fine Gael hacks?

Perhaps you can advise please?

Thanks

Madam_X

Yeh, not blindly slating the man = FG voter for sure.

stretchdoe

Madam_X wrote: »

Yeh, not blindly slating the man = FG voter for sure.

Not blindly supporting the man = anti anything our government could possibly do/anti-semetic/jealous of his success and amazing intellect/malcontent/whatever else can be thrown at people deigning to criticise him on this thread.

Works both ways, doesn't it?

delthedriver

Madam_X wrote: »

Yeh, not blindly slating the man = FG voter for sure.

Au contraire,

You cannot believe, what you have said, really?

I am not slating the man, blindly or otherwise, I am not a FG supporter.

Yes as a member of the Conservatives I watch developments in Ireland with great interest.

I believe Mr Shatter is the finest Minister for Justice and Defence, Ireland has to date

Phoebas

Shatter does come across as a bit aloof, but he does seem to be doing a reasonably good job (albeit where the job involves implementing cuts).

I don't really understand the level of hate he seems to attract. Or the obsession some people seem to have about his religion. In the 280 odd posts in this thread, only a handful are actually about his performance in government or his politics.

Madam_X

stretchdoe wrote: »

Not blindly supporting the man = anti anything our government could possibly do/anti-semetic/jealous of his success and amazing intellect/malcontent/whatever else can be thrown at people deigning to criticise him on this thread.

Not disputing that. It's just the same line, "Oh well they're obviously FG supporters/lick-arses" always gets thrown out with zero evidence supporting it.

delthedriver

Madam_X wrote: »

Not disputing that. It's just the same line, "Oh well they're obviously FG supporters/lick-arses" always gets thrown out with zero evidence supporting it.

So which party do you support? Is there a person in your mind whom you believe can do a better job than Mr. Shatter?

stretchdoe

Phoebas wrote: »

Shatter does come across as a bit aloof, but he does seem to be doing a reasonably good job (albeit where the job involves implementing cuts).

I don't really understand the level of hate he seems to attract. Or the obsession some people seem to have about his religion. In the 280 odd posts in this thread, only a handful are actually about his performance in government or his politics.

I don't recall anyone who criticised him here mentioning his religion in the context of his performance as Minister of Justice; if anyone did they'd be banned and rightly so.

There were a few who mentioned it, legitimately, i think, in the context of the argument, in terms of his outspokenness on the Israel/Palestine issue.

Other than that, if i remember, having read the thread a while ago, most mentions of his religion were people speculating that 'he'll be criticised purely because of religion', as the the one i'm replying to seems to fit, and an argument between two posters which had little to do with the topic of the thread at large.

stretchdoe

Madam_X wrote: »

Not disputing that. It's just the same line, "Oh well they're obviously FG supporters/lick-arses" always gets thrown out with zero evidence supporting it.

And vice-versa.

Phoebas

stretchdoe wrote: »

I don't recall anyone who criticised him here mentioning his religion in the context of his performance as Minister of Justice; if anyone did they'd be banned and rightly so.

What are you on about?
I didn't say anyone did criticise him on those terms (although there were some that did link his support for Israel to his religion).

stretchdoe

delthedriver wrote: »

Au contraire,

You cannot believe, what you have said, really?

I am not slating the man, blindly or otherwise, I am not a FG supporter.

Yes as a member of the Conservatives I watch developments in Ireland with great interest.

I believe Mr Shatter is the finest Minister for Justice and Defence, Ireland has to date

Think you missed her point.

Her post was attacking those criticising him.

stretchdoe

Phoebas wrote: »

What are you on about?
I didn't say anyone did criticise him on those terms (although there were some that did link his support for Israel to his religion).

You mentioned 'an obsession with his religion', and seemed to imply that that was something that those who criticised him in this thread had in common.

I disagreed. That's what i was on about/referring to.

Perhaps, i misunderstood your post.

If so, i apologise.

Phoebas

stretchdoe wrote: »

You mentioned an 'obsession with his religion' as being a main feature of this thread.

No I didn't. Why are you making shít up?

stretchdoe

Phoebas wrote: »

No I didn't. Why are you making shít up?

'Or the obsession some people seem to have about his religion'.

Are you serious?

Go back and read your post #284.

darkdubh

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

He's currently being vilified by the media at the moment at the behest of Garda spindoctors. Seriously, a story about not allowing some mucker garda from up the country destroy his jacks??

He is one of the most competent politicians in the dail at present. He has a sharp legal mind. He has the courage of his convictions and is carrying out genuine reform of the justice system. His character is being assassinated at the moment in a vain attempt by the GRA and AGSI to keep the Gardai's inflated salaries intact.

I'm actually a little bit shocked at the solidarity that the gardai are receiving now that they've suddenly sprang into action. The boys in blue were no where to be seen when others salaries and conditions were being cut, or when people in the private sector were losing their job.

Also, not sure what his stance on Israel has to do with anything?

Though I must say the gardai and the far-left make unusual bedfellows....

How do You know the Garda wasn't a Dub?He could have been shooting up heroin in there.

Phoebas

stretchdoe wrote: »

'Or the obsession some people seem to have about his religion'.

Are you serious?

Go back and read your post #284.

Are you?

Here's what I said in that post:

I don't really understand the level of hate he seems to attract. Or the obsession some people seem to have about his religion.

I didn't say or imply or suggest that it was a 'main feature of this thread' (which I notice you have now edited out of your own post).


So kindly don't misrepresent what I did say in the future.

stretchdoe

Phoebas wrote: »

Are you?

Here's what I said in that post:

I didn't say or imply or suggest that it was a 'main feature of this thread' (which I notice you have now edited out of your own post).


So kindly don't misrepresent what I did say in the future.

Oh, right.

You just threw it in there as an incidental, for whatever reason.

Had no meaning/you weren't trying to imply anything/make any point.

Forgive me for taking it up wrong.

delthedriver

This thread has become exceedingly tiresome.

Perhaps it is time to wrap it up as it really appears to be going around in circles

delthedriver

stretchdoe wrote: »

Think you missed her point.

Her post was attacking those criticising him.

Apologies, thank you for clarifying

stretchdoe

delthedriver wrote: »

Apologies, thank you for clarifying

No need to apologise to me.

Just took the liberty of pointing out what i thought she meant by that post.

Agree with your above post 100%.

This thread has gone away from the intended topic completely.

tayto lover

delthedriver wrote: »

LOL

Happy Easter!

Not for a moment am I comparing Ireland with North Korea, and of course you are right , this is a democracy, where we have a right to free speech.

I am not defending Fine Gael, I am simply suggesting that we show respect to The Minister, and put forward criticisms in a constructive way.

People unloading their bile here serves no purpose in trying to generate constructive dialogue.

PS . My thoughts about Minister Shatter, have already been posted this evening if you wish to scroll back.

Thank you.

Respect is earned, not just granted.
Maybe if the Minister treated people properly and stopped speaking in a seemingly sneering manner it might help.
He really does himself no favours with his style of interview.

Ash.J.Williams

tayto lover wrote: »

Respect is earned, not just granted.
Maybe if the Minister treated people properly and stopped speaking in a seemingly sneering manner it might help.
He really does himself no favours with his style of interview.

Is he sneering though? Maybe people are a little over sensitive. In his defence I think he tells the truth, and avoids spin.