Justice Minster Alan Shatter opinions on the man

tayto lover

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Is he sneering though? Maybe people are a little over sensitive. In his defence I think he tells the truth, and avoids spin.

Impression is everything I suppose. He seems to me to be sneering.
I heard him being interviewed regarding the Garda dispute and he even brought his wife into the mix in what seemed to me as an attempt to make 4 Garda walking out of a conference as an affront to her as well as him.
It was later explained by someone else that Minister's wives never attend anyway.
I honestly do think he has a sneering nature about him.
How can he turn an entire Garda force against him?

His comments on several issues gave me the impression he was sneering or making little of the event, like the killing of the Turks on the relief ship. He stated that they had no business there. Yet we have sent relief to other war-torn regions and he backed that.

Yitzhak Rabin

tayto lover wrote: »

How can he turn an entire Garda force against him?

Very easy to do. Cut their numerous allowances, and you'll find out very quickly how nasty the GRA and AGSI spin doctors can be.

His comments on several issues gave me the impression he was sneering or making little of the event, like the killing of the Turks on the relief ship. He stated that they had no business there. Yet we have sent relief to other war-torn regions and he backed that.

Do you know what the biggest killer in Gaza is at the moment??

Its obesity and heart disease. People go on about it as if they were starving there. They are one of the most overweight nations in the world. The flotilla was an attempt the breach a naval blockade and to make a political point.

They had no business being there.

tayto lover

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Very easy to do. Cut their numerous allowances, and you'll find out very quickly how nasty the GRA and AGSI spin doctors can be.




Do you know what the biggest killer in Gaza is at the moment??

Its obesity and heart disease. People go on about it as if they were starving there. They are one of the most overweight nations in the world. The flotilla was an attempt the breach a naval blockade and to make a political point.

They had no business being there.

So they were shot in an attempt to prevent Palestinians from becoming fat.
#You couldn't make it up :pac:

What about the legality of that naval blockade?

Yitzhak Rabin

tayto lover wrote: »

So they were shot in an attempt to prevent Palestinians from becoming fat.
#You couldn't make it up :pac:

That's not what I said. But feel free to misrepresent me if it makes it easier for you.

tayto lover

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

That's not what I said. But feel free to misrepresent me if it makes it easier for you.

So why bring obesity into the argument at all then?
Were these poor people not denied medicine and had to dig tunnels to get life-saving supplies into Palestine, or is that just makey-uppy too?

DEFTLEFTHAND

A bulldog, the Barristers hate the fact that he represents as council in the High Court (which your're perfectly entitled to do as a solicitor.) He's a troll.

My name is URL

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Do you know what the biggest killer in Gaza is at the moment??

Its obesity and heart disease. People go on about it as if they were starving there. They are one of the most overweight nations in the world.

http://apps.who.int/gb/ebwha/pdf_files/WHA65/A65_27Rev1-en.pdf

A few points from that

• 70% of people in Gaza face food insecurity.
  
• Restrictions on the importation of medical equipment means that people often go without proper treatment.
  
• Restrictions on the movement of staff & patients make it difficult for people to avail of adequate treatment.
  
• Israel retains control of all underground and surface water resources.
  
• Settlers often vandalize Palestinian water infrastructure, contaminating wells and springs as well as destroying infrastructure and livelihoods.

It's incredibly disingenuous to make comment about causes of deaths without bringing context into it.

TOMs WIFE

Shatter lost touch with reality that citizens want to feel safe in rural areas.

Sergeant

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

Shatter lost touch with reality that citizens want to feel safe in rural areas.

Everyone wants to feel safe, and Ireland remains a remarkably safe country in which to live. 62% of the population live in urban areas; areas that take up only 2.4% of the landmass of the country.

These population density trends, modern technologies and the small matter of having to make difficult decisions to cut that €12 billion deficit means that rural police stations had to close. As more people move to urban centres then decisions like this will continue to be made across education, health and justice.

Society changes, and the focus of government spending needs to change to reflect this. Even if we could continue to borrow money to fund such extravagances wouldn't make it a good idea.

Unless you'd be in favour of raising taxes to keep them open. Or cutting some other area. What would they be? And please don't give the boilerplate AH response of cutting politicians salaries. That will save sweet FA.

Pappa Charlie

Sergeant wrote: »

Everyone wants to feel safe, and Ireland remains a remarkably safe country in which to live. 62% of the population live in urban areas; areas that take up only 2.4% of the landmass of the country.

These population density trends, modern technologies and the small matter of having to make difficult decisions to cut that €12 billion deficit means that rural police stations had to close. As more people move to urban centres then decisions like this will continue to be made across education, health and justice.

Society changes, and the focus of government spending needs to change to reflect this. Even if we could continue to borrow money to fund such extravagances wouldn't make it a good idea.

Unless you'd be in favour of raising taxes to keep them open. Or cutting some other area. What would they be? And please don't give the boilerplate AH response of cutting politicians salaries. That will save sweet FA.

It's well known that shatter is not popular in his own party and its being said publically by Fine Gael td's not to mention labour TD'S, the problem is that Enda Kenny has little options in replacing him given the quality of TD's in this government

Yitzhak Rabin

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

It's well known that shatter is not popular in his own party and its being said publically by Fine Gael td's not to mention labour TD'S, the problem is that Enda Kenny has little options in replacing him given the quality of TD's in this government

So choosing a Minister for Justice and Defence should be a popularity contest?

Its not the prom King that they're electing.

tayto lover

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

It's well known that shatter is not popular in his own party and its being said publically by Fine Gael td's not to mention labour TD'S, the problem is that Enda Kenny has little options in replacing him given the quality of TD's in this government

Heard a report that FG are looking for a Junior Minister to be appointed to the post of dealing with Garda issues.
It looks like many of his own see the difficulties with Shatter.

Sergeant

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

It's well known that shatter is not popular in his own party and its being said publically by Fine Gael td's not to mention labour TD'S, the problem is that Enda Kenny has little options in replacing him given the quality of TD's in this government

Have you any proof to back up a single thing said here?

That he isn't popular? FG is a large party, and I'm sure he's not flavour of the month with all of them.

Publicly said? I must have missed this.

It's the largest Government in the history of the State. Shatter is just the most suitable Minister of Justice. His knowledge and input into legislation over his many years of the Dáil is testament to this.

Blahblah2012

Sergeant wrote: »

Have you any proof to back up a single thing said here?

That he isn't popular? FG is a large party, and I'm sure he's not flavour of the month with all of them.

Publicly said? I must have missed this.

It's the largest Government in the history of the State. Shatter is just the most suitable Minister of Justice. His knowledge and input into legislation over his many years of the Dáil is testament to this.

Jeez..this site is riddled with pro government brainwashers and spin doctors. They're doing a fantastic job..of course.

Put up..shut up...and pay up!!!!!

Pappa Charlie

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

So choosing a Minister for Justice and Defence should be a popularity contest?

Its not the prom King that they're electing.

Sad thing is he's probably the best of a bad lot!

Pappa Charlie

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

So choosing a Minister for Justice and Defence should be a popularity contest?

Its not the prom King that they're electing.

Sad thing is he's probably the best of a bad lot!

Sergeant

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Jeez..this site is riddled with pro government brainwashers and spin doctors. They're doing a fantastic job..of course.

Put up..shut up...and pay up!!!!!

More personal abuse. Perhaps you'd like to post on some of the points I've raised, as opposed to replying on hyperbole (riddled, brainwashers, spin doctors)?

How do we cut that €12 billion deficit, and how can Alan Shatter avoid having to make cuts, without that having ramifications for other areas such as education and health?

Yitzhak Rabin

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Jeez..this site is riddled with pro government brainwashers and spin doctors. They're doing a fantastic job..of course.

Put up..shut up...and pay up!!!!!

Or y'know, people with a grasp on reality who understand that we can't continue to borrow vast sums of money to pay our public servants.

Cee-Jay-Cee

HondaSami wrote: »

Don't worry about it OP he will soon be shifted/transferred to some other department.

I sincerely hope so as the man is single handedly destroying the Gardai in this country. He is arrogant beyond belief and is now acting like a petulant child with no regard to the damage he is doing.

Sergeant

CJC999 wrote: »

I sincerely hope so as the man is single handedly destroying the Gardai in this country. He is arrogant beyond belief and is now acting like a petulant child with no regard to the damage he is doing.

How is he destroying them? Any examples? It's such an emotive word. Instead of cutting their pay and bringing about long-needed efficiencies to their working conditions what are the alternatives? Fire out a few there. I'm all ears.

Pappa Charlie

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Or y'know, people with a grasp on reality who understand that we can't continue to borrow vast sums of money to pay our public servants.

It's the quality of the cabinet and government that's hard to stomach , they have no balls or imagination and are just puppets for the troika, they go from one cock up to another, they bemoaned the lack of spending during the Celtic tiger times in opposition and then Kenny states in Europe that we all went mad, guess who was helping drive it! Less of the lectures from Fine Gael sympathisers!

Blahblah2012

Sergeant wrote: »

More personal abuse. Perhaps you'd like to post on some of the points I've raised, as opposed to replying on hyperbole (riddled, brainwashers, spin doctors)?

How do we cut that €12 billion deficit, and how can Alan Shatter avoid having to make cuts, without that having ramifications for other areas such as education and health?

Nothing personal. Was general. No exaggeration at all. Is clear as day to those who think for themselves.

razorgil

Or y'know, people with a grasp on reality who understand that we can't continue to borrow vast sums of money to pay our public servants.[/QUOTE]

that's not the point. all govt. depts. are trying to save money/ cut spending. you don't see the rest of the govt. acting like complete prícks whilst doing so though. shatter's arrogance, and contempt for dialogue, separate him from his colleagues. enda should cull him before he takes over the asylum

Blahblah2012

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Or y'know, people with a grasp on reality who understand that we can't continue to borrow vast sums of money to pay our public servants.

To be fair..I would include yourself as one of the people i was talking about in my previous post.

Yitzhak Rabin

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Nothing personal. Was general. No exaggeration at all. Is clear as day to those who think for themselves.

Yeah duuuuude, you're a real freethinker. Not boxed in like the squares here defending the government.

Any ideas on how to plug the 12Bn a year deficit? Nothing detailed now, just some broad brush answers.

Sergeant

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Nothing personal. Was general. No exaggeration at all. Is clear as day to those who think for themselves.

You wouldn't mind posting them would you?

I do some of that thinking stuff from time-to-time, but I've yet to think up of a suitable alternative as to how that massive hole in the public finances gets cut.

As someone who thinks for themselves I'm sure you have a few suggestions.

Blahblah2012

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Yeah duuuuude, you're a real freethinker. Not boxed in like the squares here defending the government.

Any ideas on how to plug the 12Bn a year deficit? Nothing detailed now, just some broad brush answers.

Duuuude? U stoned or what?

omahaid

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Any ideas on how to plug the 12Bn a year deficit? Nothing detailed now, just some broad brush answers.

Cut politicians and bankers pay

And only politicians and bankers of course, that should do it.

Blahblah2012

Sergeant wrote: »

You wouldn't mind posting them would you?

I do some of that thinking stuff from time-to-time, but I've yet to think up of a suitable alternative as to how that massive hole in the public finances gets cut.

As someone who thinks for themselves I'm sure you have a few suggestions.

Don't think too much now. It wouldn't suit your line.

Sergeant

omahaid wrote: »

Cut politicians and bankers pay

And only politicians and bankers of course, that should do it.

We'll be out of this mess by Christmas! Why didn't we think of it before!

Sergeant

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Don't think too much now. It wouldn't suit your line.

More personal abuse. You said you think for yourself, so fire out a few examples of how we cut that €12 billion deficit. It's very important. You think social democrats like Burton and Gilmore actually want to cut services and the rates of pay of their core support base?

As I said, I'm all ears.

Yitzhak Rabin

razorgil wrote: »

that's not the point. all govt. depts. are trying to save money/ cut spending. you don't see the rest of the govt. acting like complete prícks whilst doing so though. shatter's arrogance, and contempt for dialogue, separate him from his colleagues. enda should cull him before he takes over the asylum

Not getting this complete prick thing? So what if the man doesn't pretend like he's got sympathy for some bloated copper from Ballymote.

Its simple in his eyes I would imagine. Alan has a very analytical and shrewd mind, honed by years of running a successful legal practice, and being one of the movers and shakers on the New York property scene.

He see a problem (he needs to drastically reduce the outgoing in his department), he realises that given the vast majority of the spending in his department is on pay and pensions, so he knows thats where the cuts have to come from.

Frankly I'm happy to see that kind of thinking from a minister. For too long we've had disingenious 'man o' da peeeeple' types making decisions beyond their capabilities.

tayto lover

omahaid wrote: »

Cut politicians and bankers pay

And only politicians and bankers of course, that should do it.

But that is exactly what they won't do
They never have the law to touch the untouchables despite their legal experts.

Pappa Charlie

Sergeant wrote: »

More personal abuse. Perhaps you'd like to post on some of the points I've raised, as opposed to replying on hyperbole (riddled, brainwashers, spin doctors)?

How do we cut that €12 billion deficit, and how can Alan Shatter avoid having to make cuts, without that having ramifications for other areas such as education and health?

Keep doing what your doing , cuting disability payments and savaging public servants pay, why not increase corporation tax, cut bankers pay, cut quangos, politicans pay, get rid of the Seanad, tighten up on social welfare fraud properly, amalgamate county councils properly, cut down on appointments to state boards and their fees, tax child benefit on the wealthy, there's plenty but its easier pander cut public servants and keep private sector people like you happy as the pain goes elsewhere!

Podgerz

Any party spokesperson (at the time) on Justice who thought that as a solicitor he was entitled to become a Barrister without taking any exams or studying is a fool.

Thats my opinion of the man and cant believe his stupidity

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shatter-fought-with-former-ag-in-attempt-to-get-barrister-status-26797871.html

DEFTLEFTHAND

It has to be said as well that the Irish are always suspicious of anyone who's not Christian. The Irish and Italians traditionally have an aversion to Jews.

Blahblah2012

Sergeant wrote: »

More personal abuse. You said you think for yourself, so fire out a few examples of how we cut that €12 billion deficit. It's very important. You think social democrats like Burton and Gilmore actually want to cut services and the rates of pay of their core support base?

As I said, I'm all ears.

Nothing personal about it. As I said..it's general. I just responded to you and your compadre.

Kenny will be Cowen and Ahern..I just hope they don't go unpunished.

razorgil

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Not getting this complete prick thing? So what if the man doesn't pretend like he's got sympathy for some bloated copper from Ballymote.

it doesn't have to be some bloated copper from ballymote. i have no doubt that if shatter were planted in some other portfolio, he would show the same disdain for those for whom he was responsible then as well. he'd be a complete prick no matter who he was dealing with. thats how he comes across to me anyway.

Pappa Charlie

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Nothing personal about it. As I said..it's general. I just responded to you and your compadre.

Kenny will be Cowen and Ahern..I just hope they don't go unpunished.

He's just trying to draw a mod in here to defend him, if its personal abuse he's got a report button. It seems that if anyone differs with him he's abused!

tayto lover

Sergeant wrote: »

You wouldn't mind posting them would you?

I do some of that thinking stuff from time-to-time, but I've yet to think up of a suitable alternative as to how that massive hole in the public finances gets cut.

As someone who thinks for themselves I'm sure you have a few suggestions.

Apart from the austerity and all the cutting would you do us the honour of stating the Recovery Programmes and Job Investment policies of the Government please, and the costs.

Blahblah2012

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

He's just trying to draw a mod in here to defend him, if its personal abuse he's got a report button. It seems that if anyone differs with him he's abused!

Seen it all before.

Pappa Charlie

omahaid wrote: »

Cut politicians and bankers pay

And only politicians and bankers of course, that should do it.

No, better still leave the politicans and bankers alone and cut garda pay that will do it!

My name is URL

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Alan has a very analytical and shrewd mind, honed by years of running a successful legal practice, and being one of the movers and shakers on the New York property scene.

Right yeah.. that's why he's going against decades of international peer-reviewed studies which show that community policing drastically reduces crime rates, and closing down stations leading to a total loss of that sort of policing in many areas.

Blahblah2012

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

No, better still leave the politicans and bankers alone and cut garda pay that will do it!

Maybe they should cut their Garda protection.

Pappa Charlie

Podgerz wrote: »

Any party spokesperson (at the time) on Justice who thought that as a solicitor he was entitled to become a Barrister without taking any exams or studying is a fool.

Thats my opinion of the man and cant believe his stupidity

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shatter-fought-with-former-ag-in-attempt-to-get-barrister-status-26797871.html

Is he only a solicitor? Family law one at that, I thought he was a barristor!

crazygeryy

can i use you're ****ter shatter.

headline of the week hands down.

tayto lover

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Is he only a solicitor? Family law one at that, I thought he was a barristor!

No he's only a solicitor but he did try to progress.;)

Augmerson

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It has to be said as well that the Irish are always suspicious of anyone who's not Christian. The Irish and Italians traditionally have an aversion to Jews.

I've really no problem with his faith, many people I know don't bring it into the equation when discussing his actions and talk so far. Then again, just because he is Jewish doesn't really give him the right to apologise for Ireland's neutrality during WWII.

sullanefc

I always thought Shatter was a bollox. I only found out that he was jewish on this thread. So clearly him being a bollox has nothing to do with him being jewish.

Blahblah2012

crazygeryy wrote: »

can i use you're ****ter shatter.

headline of the week hands down.

And there was me about to sing "send in the clowns"