Galway Man Wounded by Israeli Soldier. (rubber bullet)

Seaneh

irish-stew wrote: »

So then why did you list their religion or even make a comment about their religion, or even comment if it was the police or army who fired.

He copied a list from a website, more than likely a UK government website, obviously.

Get over it.

G Power

dodderangler wrote: »

This serious enough for ya

some people don't want to admit the truth

minidazzler

Seaneh wrote: »

They aren't the only Jewish people in the region. That's nonsense. There is a sizeable Jewish population in a lot of Muslim countries, Iran for example has a large Jewish population in Tehran.

10000 in Iran is not sizable. Don't get so angry, I support one side, you support another, we could have a reasoned debate, but I think with your anger and trying to make my arguments before I say them would indicate that you don't wish to. You just wanna shout your point and not listen to reason

Fair enough. But just know that, there is no righteous and just side in that region. Land changes owners, it happens, and that particular piece of land has been owned by everyone at some point. It just so happens the Israeli's own it now. People could just stop fighting in general and try to get along, but noone wants that, least of all the Muslims. So it won't happen.

arybvtcw0eolkf

A journo/hippy got shot in a conflict zone, tough sh*t it happens.

Settlements, illegal occupation, oppression in the WB, innocents getting killed on all sides, propaganda, lies, bullsh*t and bluster ~ Seaneh we're all against it, I doubt there's a single person here who isn't.. We 'get you' and I don't think anyone is taking your bait for another Israeli/Palestinian jerk circle.

Did you know Rachel Corrie killed ten years ago last week, Irish soldiers have been killed by the IDF/SLA, Amal, Hezbollah and the PLO.. The longest held/missing captive in the middle east is an Irish soldier (can we have him back Mr.PLO please?)..

Crap happens in conflict zones, and soldiers, aid workers, journo's etc etc know this and choose to take their chances.. Its a chance we take when we volunteer to serve, and honestly the guy was only hit by a rubber bullet and got a little bruise for his troubles, boo bloody hoo.

He'll get mileage out of this one for sure, and good luck to him and all who sail in him.

Non story imo.

brimal

Is the guy who got shot one of the many Irish who come over and protest in West Bank for a few hours a day and then spend the rest of their time shopping, eating, partying, etc. in Tel Aviv?

AlekSmart

Anyone wrote: »

Why are Israeli Soldiers in Galway?

They're probably goin through old Boards threads and returning to extract revenge....;)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61863823

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ch9ORXw8ulw

On a seperate note,has'nt the term Rubber Bullet been replaced/sanitized by Baton Round following 10cc's over popularization of the original ?

CrinkElite

I have to say, I'm a little disturbed by the level of cynicism.
This is a human conflict with human beings on both sides.
Do the people of AO think an unarmed man with a camera is a valid target?

Maybe he should have had some cop on and just stayed home on the internet.

Gambas

Anyone wrote: »

Why are Israeli Soldiers in Galway?

Golan Heights one day, Tirellan Heights the next day. No keeping up with them and their zionist greed, you know.

Yitzhak Rabin

CrinkElite wrote: »

I have to say, I'm a little disturbed by the level of cynicism.
This is a human conflict with human beings on both sides.
Do the people of AO think an unarmed man with a camera is a valid target?

Maybe he should have had some cop on and just stayed home on the internet.

He was in the middle of a protest that had turned violent (stone throwing). He ignored warnings to disperse.

Most of these 'right-on' protesters that travel over there from Ireland and the rest of Western Europe actively look to cause confrontation. Getting hit with a baton round, or being arrested is a badge of honour for them. Its their martyrdom.

Lapin

When I saw the thread title the first thing I thought was, what the hell were the Israeli Army thinking by invading Galway.

They wouldn't stand a chance against the lads in Ballybane and Westside.

minidazzler

CrinkElite wrote: »

I have to say, I'm a little disturbed by the level of cynicism.
This is a human conflict with human beings on both sides.
Do the people of AO think an unarmed man with a camera is a valid target?

Maybe he should have had some cop on and just stayed home on the internet.

He's not there with a camera to "expose the truth" we all know what goes on there. Some justified, some not on both sides. He had the camera so he could show off that he was in the sh1t. Right there getting his hands dirty.

Since we haven't seen any unbiased reports, I'm gonna make the assumption that he was out in front trying to film the soldiers shooting rubber bullets at the people he was standing by who were throwing rocks and he got hit..... I'm sure the pain is worth the glory to him... now he'll get to fcuk any dreadlocked crustie white girl in Ireland.

pinkheels88

I visited and took part in a demonstration in that village Nabi Saleh last July. Israeli soldiers arrested an English friend of mine while she was buying water in the local petrol station... They detained her and stripsearched her. Essentially arrested her for just being there.
The soldiers are very quick to start firing tear gas, rubber bullets and spray skunk water.
I'm glad this is a news story. Things have escalated bigtime in this little West Bank village. Only a few months ago a young man from the village was shot dead by the IDF at one of these weekly protests.
I know not everyone in this country cares about what's going on in that region. Nor do I expect them to. But it really is shocking.

WayneMolloy

minidazzler wrote: »

He's not there with a camera to "expose the truth" we all know what goes on there. Some justified, some not on both sides. He had the camera so he could show off that he was in the sh1t. Right there getting his hands dirty.

Since we haven't seen any unbiased reports, I'm gonna make the assumption that he was out in front trying to film the soldiers shooting rubber bullets at the people he was standing by who were throwing rocks and he got hit..... I'm sure the pain is worth the glory to him... now he'll get to fcuk any dreadlocked crustie white girl in Ireland.

What is it with white, middle class westerners and their obsession with the Gaza strip? Yes, some dodgy stuff goes down there - no question. But on the grand scheme of things, its a picnic compared to the human rights abuses carried out in the rest of the middle east, parts of Asia and Africa.

Principal Skinner

pinkheels88 wrote: »

I visited and took part in a demonstration in that village Nabi Saleh last July. Israeli soldiers arrested an English friend of mine while she was buying water in the local petrol station... They detained her and stripsearched her. Essentially arrested her for just being there.
The soldiers are very quick to start firing tear gas, rubber bullets and spray skunk water.
I'm glad this is a news story. Things have escalated bigtime in this little West Bank village. Only a few months ago a young man from the village was shot dead by the IDF at one of these weekly protests.
I know not everyone in this country cares about what's going on in that region. Nor do I expect them to. But it really is shocking.

So your going over to a foreign country which is the closest thing you'll get to an active war zone to protest and you expect the Israeli authorities not to find it suspicious?

It's like the flotilas that sailed through into their waters refusing to be stopped and then cry to the worlds media when they get borded an sent packing

humanji

CrinkElite wrote: »

I wasn't trying to be sensationalist.

I can't change the title,

could a mod do it?

Done.

mccarthy37

Seems like the Israeli's are using the same tactics on the Palestinian nation as the Nazi's used on the Jews in the 30's.

Yitzhak Rabin

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Seems like the Israeli's are using the same tactics on the Palestinian nation as the Nazi's used on the Jews in the 30's.

Yes, the Nazi's were notorious for their tolerance of weekly protests and the use of non-lethal methods to disperse them when they turned violent.

Mint Sauce

Seaneh wrote: »

He copied a list from a website, more than likely a UK government website, obviously.

Get over it.

Did his comment re religion of them listed on it also come from a UK website?

A number of people commented on the post but it seems to be mine that has upset you.

Maybe you should build the bridge.

Principal Skinner

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Seems like the Israeli's are using the same tactics on the Palestinian nation as the Nazi's used on the Jews in the 30's.

Ah now that's about OTT. The nazis wernt as bad as this terrible terrible regime killing just for the craic

pinkheels88

Principal Skinner wrote: »

So your going over to a foreign country which is the closest thing you'll get to an active war zone to protest and you expect the Israeli authorities not to find it suspicious?

It's like the flotilas that sailed through into their waters refusing to be stopped and then cry to the worlds media when they get borded an sent packing

Actually I was there volunteer teaching for the summer... And no I don't have dreadlocks either for the record.

WayneMolloy

pinkheels88 wrote: »

Actually I was there volunteer teaching for the summer... And no I don't have dreadlocks either for the record.

Did you go protest against the oppression meted out to any of the non muslims in that region? The subjugation of women by a minority of Islamic extremists? The rampant homophobia?

Or did you play it safe and onpy protest against the Israelis?

stmol32

Politics aside that's a pretty good shot.
Galway is thousands of kilometers away from the West Bank.

Remmy

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Did you go protest against the oppression meted out to any of the non muslims in that region? The subjugation of women by a minority of Islamic extremists? The rampant homophobia?

Or did you play it safe and onpy protest against the Israelis?

That sounds like a right plan actually. I hear Hamas and Fatah don't deploy tear gas or rubber bullets so it'd probably be safe enough too.

pinkheels88

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Did you go protest against the oppression meted out to any of the non muslims in that region? The subjugation of women by a minority of Islamic extremists? The rampant homophobia?

Or did you play it safe and onpy protest against the Israelis?

Generally people protest against one issue at a time... :rolleyes: I was protesting against the illegal occupation of land and the constant harassment of a small village of Palestinian people (muslim or otherwise) by the IDF.

Nodin

minidazzler wrote: »

I'm to no extremes, but I'm moderately in favour of Israel. While I may not agree with their tactics, they can't just sit back and wait to die.

I'm reasonably sure avoiding using heavy handed tactics and not colonising outside ones borders does not nessicarily mean one is 'sitting back and waiting to die'.

Blackedelweiss wrote:

I know people who have kept the rubber bullets they have been shot with, sat with them on the table in the pub. It takes a very unlucky shot to get killed with a rubber bullet

Or you just need to be hit close up. In any event, these are rather different from the ones used up north.

WayneMolloy

pinkheels88 wrote: »

Generally people protest against one issue at a time... :rolleyes: I was protesting against the illegal occupation of land and the constant harassment of a small village of Palestinian people (muslim or otherwise) by the IDF.

Small change.

Your location says Abu Dhabi. A place where slavery is freely practiced, where homosexuality is illegal and where women are second class citizens. A place where people are publical amputated and sometimes executed.

Put protesting against their treatment of any of these groups would land you in the big house. Wont be able to upload a load of photos to FB in there. Too risky for white, middle class westerners.

Siuin

An idiot gets his comeuppance. Good.
I can only hope that the next fool who thinks he's a modern day Saladin gets pumped full of more rubber than a posse of lesbians in a dildo factory.

pinkheels88

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Small change.

Your location says Abu Dhabi. A place where slavery is freely practiced, where homosexuality is illegal and where women are second class citizens. A place where people are publical amputated and sometimes executed.

Put protesting against their treatment of any of these groups would land you in the big house. Wont be able to upload a load of photos to FB in there. Too risky for white, middle class westerners.

Wow I can tell you've visited the Middle East lately/ever... :rolleyes:
The UAE is not Saudi. Haven't seen any public amputations/executions in my time here... I certainly don't feel like a second class citizen and *shock horror* I'm actually married to a Muslim AND have gay friends who are Arab too.

I can tell you don't respect this photographer or any others protesting for the Palestinian cause but now you're just targeting the Middle East in general.

Nodin

Siuin wrote: »

An idiot gets his comeuppance. Good.
I can only hope that the next fool who thinks he's a modern day Saladin gets pumped full of more rubber than a posse of lesbians in a dildo factory.

I think if you put your back to it and really pushed, theres room for a smidgin more ignorance in your post.

Nodin

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Small change.

Your location says Abu Dhabi. A place where slavery is freely practiced, where homosexuality is illegal and where women are second class citizens. A place where people are publical amputated and sometimes executed.

Put protesting against their treatment of any of these groups would land you in the big house. Wont be able to upload a load of photos to FB in there. Too risky for white, middle class westerners.

So if you don't protest against absolutely everything, everywhere, you're a hypocrite eh? Well thats sound logic.

WayneMolloy

Nodin wrote: »

So if you don't protest against absolutely everything, everywhere, you're a hypocrite eh? Well thats sound logic.

Nah, but if you live in a place where human rights abuse is rampant, why travel 2, 000 km to a place which is small fry when compared to the ongoing abuse where you live?

As I said, it is a case of white, middle class westerners picking and choosing causes that they deem to be fashionable.

This lad from Galway had no business where he was when he got nipped.

tayto lover

seven_eleven wrote: »

He probably deserved it to be honest.

Why did he deserve it?

He was not throwing stones. He was filming.
I have little time for stone throwers but he was not involved in anything except filming. Why do you think he was targeted by a soldier?
If filming is a crime then Kate Adie would have been shot many times.

WayneMolloy

pinkheels88 wrote: »

Wow I can tell you've visited the Middle East lately/ever... :rolleyes:
The UAE is not Saudi. Haven't seen any public amputations/executions in my time here... I certainly don't feel like a second class citizen and *shock horror* I'm actually married to a Muslim AND have gay friends who are Arab too.

I can tell you don't respect this photographer or any others protesting for the Palestinian cause but now you're just targeting the Middle East in general.

Aha, that explains why you are protesting for the Palestinians.

As for not respecting the photographer - of course I dont. The clown stuck his beak into others affairs and got himself nipped.

Nodin

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Nah, but if you live in a place where human rights abuse is rampant, why travel 2, 000 km to a place which is small fry when compared to the ongoing abuse where you live?..

How do you know they don't protest where they live?

You know that - for instance - Amnesty activists usually target issues outside their home country?

WayneMolloy wrote: »

As I said, it is a case of white, middle class westerners picking and choosing causes that they deem to be fashionable..

Is it? You've some class breakdown of those involved, do ye?

WayneMolloy

Nodin wrote: »

How do you know they don't protest where they live?

You know that - for instance - Amnesty activists usually target issues outside their home country?



Is it? You've some class breakdown of those involved, do ye?

We are talking about a photographer from Galway and that comment was addressed to the lad who lives in Abu Dhabi.

G Power

CrinkElite wrote: »

I have to say, I'm a little disturbed by the level of cynicism.
This is a human conflict with human beings on both sides.
Do the people of AO think an unarmed man with a camera is a valid target?

Maybe he should have had some cop on and just stayed home on the internet.

you better cancel your account here so cos no matter what happens r how serious **** hits the fan over anything you have people showing themselves to be right selfish a$$holes towards others. anybody but themselves can go and fcuk right off as far as a lot of people are concerned

G Power

Nodin wrote: »

So if you don't protest against absolutely everything, everywhere, you're a hypocrite eh? Well thats sound logic.

doing nothing about everything that's wrong with the world and the system we're told is more precious than anything they're willing to cut to protect it, will only end in our tears!!

are you trying to suggest that some wrong things are more wrong than others and where do you suggest we draw the line??

Nodin

WayneMolloy wrote: »

We are talking about a photographer from Galway and that comment was addressed to the lad who lives in Abu Dhabi.

....so the "middle class" photographer from galway should protest about galway and leave the protesting in the occupied territories to middle class people from that end of the world and nyahhhh, essentially.

Nodin

G Power wrote: »

doing nothing about everything that's wrong with the world and the system we're told is more precious than anything they're willing to cut to protect it, will only end in our tears!!

are you trying to suggest that some wrong things are more wrong than others and where do you suggest we draw the line??

Would it be easier if I went back and added [/sarcasm] tags?

WayneMolloy

Nodin wrote: »

....so the "middle class" photographer from galway should protest about galway and leave the protesting in the occupied territories to middle class people from that end of the world and nyahhhh, essentially.

If the idiot hadnt of been rustling in others affairs, he wouldnt have a chunk of his arm missing. Hanging around a disputed area where both sides are on red alert, isnt a smart idea.

Hopefully, for his sake, hes learned his lesson and he returns to the hippy commune (Galway).

shedweller

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/israel-plans-to-seize-140000-dunums-of-dead-sea-land/

Israeli occupation authorities have declared a new project aimed at seizing 140,000 dunums of land in the receding Dead Sea to be used for the interest of Jewish settlers.

More ILLEGAL settlements. But it's ok isn't it?

WayneMolloy

shedweller wrote: »

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/israel-plans-to-seize-140000-dunums-of-dead-sea-land/


More ILLEGAL settlements. But it's ok isn't it?

The game is up for the Palestinians. They lost. Time to move.

Maybe their arab brothers and sisters will welcome them into their countries.

G Power

Nodin wrote: »

Would it be easier if I went back and added [/sarcasm] tags?

maybe yes, sorry about that

Nodin

WayneMolloy wrote: »

If the idiot hadnt of been rustling in others affairs, he wouldnt have a chunk of his arm missing.

Indeed. Jaysus forbid we take interest in the affairs and well being of our fellow man.

WayneMolloy wrote: »

The game is up for the Palestinians. They lost. Time to move.

To hell or connaught? Lovely stuff. And a bit ironic, given your current "location".

Siuin

Nodin wrote: »

I think if you put your back to it and really pushed, theres room for a smidgin more ignorance in your post.

Oh the irony of someone like you calling me ignorant- I've been there, seen the situation first hand and those 'protesters' are nothing more than idiots who hop on every controversial bandwagon going. They're anti-everything and have nothing better to do with their times and money than to go to a country which has absolutely nothing to do with them and cause a nuisance. This Galway guy is nothing more than a pathetic geriatric whose only hope at gaining an ounce of fame is to throw himself into someone else's conflict rather than actually doing something useful like trying to improve our lot at home.

shedweller

Siuin wrote: »

This Galway guy is nothing more than a pathetic geriatric whose only hope at gaining an ounce of fame is to throw himself into someone else's conflict rather than actually doing something useful like trying to improve our lot at home.

And what the **** would that be, short of assassinating top level bankers and politicians?

Siuin

shedweller wrote: »

And what the **** would that be, short of assassinating top level bankers and politicians?

These eejits claims to be protesting 'peacefully' - not possible to do that in Ireland too? Probably won't make you famous, though :rolleyes:

Nodin

Siuin wrote: »

Oh the irony of someone like you calling me ignorant- .........

I was referring to your post.

An idiot gets his comeuppance. Good.
I can only hope that the next fool who thinks he's a modern day Saladin gets pumped full of more rubber than a posse of lesbians in a dildo factory.

A second reading of it does nothing to change my conclusion.

Siuin wrote: »

I've been there, seen the situation first hand .........

So if somebody who is an Man U supporter goes to see a Liverpool v Man U match, we can rely on them for clear, cogent and unbiased commentary. With ye now.

And seeing as you went to Israel, its a bit much that you criticise him for going just across the border.

Siuin

Nodin wrote: »

And seeing as you went to Israel, its a bit much that you criticise him for going just across the border.

He didn't merely go across the border for a visit- he went with a clear agenda. Couldn't find anything a little closer to home to whinge about? I went to Israel to work- not to piss off the authorities.

Nodin

Siuin wrote: »

He didn't merely go across the border for a visit- he went with a clear agenda. Couldn't find anything a little closer to home to whinge about? I went to Israel to work- not to piss off the authorities.

So if you go to a country that violates certain agreements and laws its ok, as long as you don't disagree with them. Fair enough, I'll note that down.

What work were you doing in Israel, might I ask?