Sunderland sack Martin O'Neill

homerjay2005

just been announced, O Neill is gone from Sunderland.

super_furry

Surprised by this. Time to give his number to the FAI?

born2bwild

Shame - I love the Martin O' Nil nickname.

collie0708

Ye crazy only 7 games to go and they sack the manager,reckon they will go down now....

Cienciano

Someone put up an excellent post about MON a while back. Possible a villa fan when he left. As far as I remember, it was exactly how his time at sunderland panned out.
Average manager that only gets results after spending a lot of money.

Sin City

Waits for the of neil for ireland maager posts

super_furry

Only a couple of years ago and he was being spoken of as Alex Ferguson's replacement. I just don't think he offers much tactically and once his motivation stuff doesn't do the job, he's struggling.

Amirani

He's been chronically overrated for far too long.

born2bwild

Sin City wrote: »

Waits for the of neil for ireland maager posts

Fire Trapatoni and hire O'Neill. Now!

Vurnon San Benito

Cienciano wrote: »

Someone put up an excellent post about MON a while back. Possible a villa fan when he left. As far as I remember, it was exactly how his time at sunderland panned out.
Average manager that only gets results after spending a lot of money.

I think there was quite a few of us that said that very thing when he took over.
Chequebook manager, spent over £30m on Sunderland this year to little avail.

Feel sorry for him in one right, I actually kind of like the bloke, glad there's no more TyneWear derbies with him anymore.

Be interesting to see who takes over.

mike65

The only shock is that he didn't walk first.

dexter647

Whatever your opinion of Martin o' neill is this has to be the most stupidist time to sack a manager...Enjoy the championship Sunderland

Sure he was a success with Leicester and they didn't have megabucks.

Dempsey

Cienciano wrote: »

Someone put up an excellent post about MON a while back. Possible a villa fan when he left. As far as I remember, it was exactly how his time at sunderland panned out.
Average manager that only gets results after spending a lot of money.

He done the same thing at Celtic aswell. He throws money around like its going out of fashion and he has no long term goal for any of the clubs he manages. Luckily Gordon Strachan came in and cleaned up the mess he left the clubs finances in because if we had a Mowbray at that stage we could have been in serious financial trouble again.

Unless they have thought this through and have a shortlist already drawn up and the feelers put out then sacking MON will be a mistake.

monkey9

Good decision in my opinion. They were sliding down the table and looked like sliding all the way into the championship. Over the past couple of weeks i'd thought they'd be the one joining QPR and Reading in the Championship next year.

They needed a change. O'Neill has lost whatever spark he had before to motivate players. His time in management is probably up.

SlickRic

super_furry wrote: »

Surprised by this. Time to give his number to the FAI?

he can fúck off.

finnharpsboy

He lost more games than he won at sunderland... never a good thing for a manager

T-K-O

Surprised buy this. I'm not sure if Sunderland can get someone better before the summer break.

MON is a solid manager but at the lower level. He is the type of guy that would win the championship every year but struggle / maintain a premier league club.

He could do a job for Ireland?

mike65

I can't see him managing in the top flight again to be honest, when clubs like Soton and Swansea are looking to Argentinian and Danish talent you know things are changing. Meat and potato football is becoming a thing of the past. Just need to get rid of Sam and Tony now!

T-K-O

He's a manager not a bloody accountant. If Celtic and Villa struggled after he departed that is their own fault.

Every manager wants to sign messi but not every board would sanction the transfer

Patser

T-K-O wrote: »

He's a manager not a bloody accountant. If Celtic and Villa struggled after he departed that is their own fault.

Every manager wants to sign messi but not every board would sanction the transfer

O'Neill signed/wanted Heskey for Villa. He got €55K a week:o

Diabhal Beag

Sunderland were a guarantee to go down if he stayed on. Probably too late anyways but at least they have a chance to survive.

Mark Hughes is probably glued to his phone.

T-K-O

Patser wrote: »

O'Neill signed/wanted Heskey for Villa. He got €55K a week:o

That's a internal board management issue and not the coach / managers fault

Vurnon San Benito

Deleted User wrote: »

Sure he was a success with Leicester and they didn't have megabucks.

Football has changed a lot sir.

T-K-O

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Sunderland were a guarantee to go down if he stayed on. Probably too late anyways but at least they have a chance to survive.

Mark Hughes is probably glued to his phone.

One step back, ten steps back.

After QPR he will struggle to get another job

Patser

T-K-O wrote: »

That's a internal board management issue and not the coach / managers fault

Why? O'Neill targeted him. Ignoring his wages O'Neill was the one who wanted Heskey in his squad.

Also BBC are reporting that a replacement will be announced in next few days. Sunderland must have a replacement lined up. It'd be madness to do this without a clear plan of action. Look at poor Terry O'Connor at Wolves last year, when Wolves sacked McCarthy with no-one ready to come in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21985808

Amirani

T-K-O wrote: »

That's a internal board management issue and not the coach / managers fault

It's indicative of a lack of ability in properly valuing players.

finnharpsboy

its gonna be one of Mark Hughes, Alex McLeish, Roberto Di Matteo or an outsider in Paulo Di Canio i think

super_furry

Alex McLeish would be hilarious.

Turtyturd

Get Roy Keane back in or is he still holding out for the Chelsea job during the summer?

Amirani

finnharpsboy wrote: »

its gonna be one of Mark Hughes, Alex McLeish, Roberto Di Matteo or an outsider in Paulo Di Canio i think

Di Canio would be madness considering their position in the table I think.

The first two would be poor appointments long-term. Di Matteo would be an interesting one but I'm not sure he'd be interested.

T-K-O

Patser wrote: »

Why? O'Neill targeted him. Ignoring his wages O'Neill was the one who wanted Heskey in his squad.

Also BBC are reporting that a replacement will be announced in next few days. Sunderland must have a replacement lined up. It'd be madness to do this without a clear plan of action. Look at poor Terry O'Connor at Wolves last year, when Wolves sacked McCarthy with no-one ready to come in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21985808

Managers target what they believe to be the best players. If the club cannot afford the player the manager is told and they move on.


The club blaming the manager after the fact is a cop out to fool the fans and it works

Felt sorry for O'Connor. They were fools to sack Mick and compounded that with the O'Connor debacle.

Patser

7 games to come into an unfamiliar squad that just lost star striker and midfield captain for rest of the season, with a nightmare run of fixtures ahead.

Brave person to risk a personal reputation on that. Relegation never looks good on a CV. But as a Villa fan would love to see McLeish given the job. We play them in 4 games!!:cool:

jesus_thats_gre

T-K-O wrote: »

That's a internal board management issue and not the coach / managers fault

It isn't really. O'Neill needs to be acutely aware of the wage budget that is available to him. He can have 20 players on 50k a week or 30 players on 33k a week. He is responsible for maintaining that balance with the squad in mind.

What you are essentially advocating is the board overruling the manager on player selection based completely on wage but banning the board from talking to the manager about money. Bit simplistic but the manager, for his own self interest, needs to be all over his wage budget.

T-K-O

NiallSparky wrote: »

It's indicative of a lack of ability in properly valuing players.

If a club like Villa cannot afford an old Heskey there is something wrong, blaming MON on that is ridiculous.

Amirani

T-K-O wrote: »

Managers target what they believe to be the best players. If the club cannot afford the player the manager is told and they move on.


The club blaming the manager after the fact is a cop out to fool the fans and it works

Managers are given a budget that they can use to add players to a team. Paying 55k/week for Heskey creates a hell of an opportunity cost.

Cienciano

collie0708 wrote: »

Ye crazy only 7 games to go and they sack the manager,reckon they will go down now....

7 games to go. They need to get someone in that can get results fast, but isn't great in the long term. Martin O'Neill would be perfect

Patser

T-K-O wrote: »

Managers target what they believe to be the best players. If the club cannot afford the player the manager is told and they move on.

And therein lies the rub. He targeted Heskey (and Nigel Reo-Coker, Curtis Davies, Zat Knight, Steve Sidwell, Habib Beye, Nicky Shorey)

He believed them to be the best players.

SlickRic

oh, and Trap over MON.

Turtyturd

SlickRic wrote: »

oh, and Trap over MON.

I doubt MON will take the Ireland job unless they offer him funds to purchase a fake Irish passport for Heskey.

Patser

Turtyturd wrote: »

I doubt MON will take the Ireland job unless they offer him funds to purchase a fake Irish passport for Heskey.

We have Conor Sammon, MON would love him:P

Doocey

Doocey wrote: »

Football has changed a lot sir.

Well it must have changed pretty rapidly as MON won seven out of his first ten games. Admittedly they were absolutely and utterly dreadful today. They never ever looked like scoring. It was amazing the complete lack of effort from the players.

T-K-O

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

It isn't really. O'Neill needs to be acutely aware of the wage budget that is available to him. He can have 20 players on 50k a week or 30 players on 33k a week. He is responsible for maintaining that balance with the squad in mind.

What you are essentially advocating is the board overruling the manager on player selection based completely on wage but banning the board from talking to the manager about money. Bit simplistic but the manager, for his own self interest, needs to be all over his wage budget.

How often do we hear about bigger clubs, Liverpool for example coming out with statements like we need to sell before we can add to the squad.

If Villa didn't say something like. 'OK Martin you can Heskey on 55k but we need to sell x and y'

Well then, they are idiots. To think or expect the manager to have free reign with a cheque book is ludicrous.

If the manager wants to constantly over spend, he's a bad manager if the club allow him to do so - the club is worse.

Patser

Patser wrote: »

And therein lies the rub. He targeted Heskey (and Nigel Reo-Coker, Curtis Davies, Zat Knight, Steve Sidwell, Habib Beye, Nicky Shorey)

He believed them to be the best players.

What about Ashley Young, Stilian Petrov and James Milner?

T-K-O

I agree MON bought some awful players. Im not defending him on that. However I will not accept a club after the fact blaming the manager for their financials woes.

It's a easy out for the club

mike65

Deleted User wrote: »

Well it must have changed pretty rapidly as MON won seven out of his first ten games. Admittedly they were absolutely and utterly dreadful today. They never ever looked like scoring. It was amazing the complete lack of effort from the players.

The "O'Neill bounce", he comes in jumps up and down does his "Mr Motivator"
routine the lads respond (thank God Bruce has gone etc) then they see he has no actual tactical talent and the slump resumes. Throw in a load of poor buys and its no real surprise they are where they are.

Pardew next (in the summer)?

Average-Ro

Brian McDermott maybe?

Esse85

As long as they have a replacement lined up who can come straight in then I don't see the problem, the new man can't do as bad as MON has in the remaining 7-8 games.

Losing Fletcher and Cattermole meant MON was finished last week (or whenever it was their injuries were announced!).

markie29

i am not surprised they sacked Martin O Neill but why do it after they lost to Manchester United 1-0? why didnt they sack him before the international break so the new manager had some kind of chance working with the players.

strange move to sack him now.

Lando Griffin

He should have spent more on two proper CBs IMO.
They are truly fecked now that big Niall has his links served also for a few months.