Sunderland sack Martin O'Neill

efb

He's fascist no thanks

M5

Sunderland have good balance now, controversial right winger in Di Canio to go with controversial left winger in McClean

T-K-O

T-K-O wrote: »

So do I but I would not like him at my club.

He'll fill the hole with his antics that Balotelli left........temporarily

Winston Payne

efb wrote: »

He's fascist no thanks

But sure he's a character!


Yeah, some character.

Royal Legend

Royal Legend wrote: »

I don't fully agree with your reasoning. You or I do not know what is going on in the background at any club. If MON has lost the players, is devoid of ideas and is 7 games from bringing Sunderland to relegation, then the Directors would not be doing their job if they did not try something that might keep them up, bringing in a new manager is a gamble, but is it not better then sitting on their arses and waiting for the inevitable.

I dont think they would relegate. Granted perhaps the fact that Fletcher who was carrying them has been ruled out it could be risky and if there is a case against Martin its the fact that over reliance has been placed on one player and that has come back to bite them in the ass.

I think Di Canio is an absolute bonkers appointment as the man himself though. Totally insane. A man who has fisty cuffs with his own players cant be good. Granted he is passionate but that's all he has going for him. He is a liability where they at least have stability. I half wonder is football management selection about networking now as opposed to getting in the very best.

LuckyLloyd

Football fans are dumb. Expect loads of 'oh, isn't he a cheeky chappy - really livening things up' type comments. The man holds some genuinely hateful political beliefs.

MP David Miliband quits Sunderland board after Di Canio hired because of his extreme political views

Labour MP David Miliband has resigned from the board of Sunderland FC because of new manager Paolo Di Canio's "past political statements".

Mr Di Canio has previously claimed to be "a fascist, not a racist".

The former UK foreign secretary was serving as the club's vice-chairman and as a non-executive director.

Mr Miliband wished the club "all success in the future. It is a great institution that does a huge amount for the North East".

Mr Di Canio was pictured in 2005 making a raised-arm salute to a group of supporters of Italian club Lazio, where he was playing.

He was given a one-match ban and fined £7,000 for the incident, and was also banned for a match following a similar incident earlier in 2005.

In 2011, when Mr Di Canio was appointed as Swindon Town's manager, the GMB union withdrew its sponsorship of the club, citing his political views.

Mr Di Canio scored 48 goals in 118 appearances for West Ham after joining the London club for £1.7m from Sheffield Wednesday in 1999. He began his career at Lazio, and also played for Juventus, Napoli, AC Milan, Celtic and Charlton before later returning to Lazio.

Playing for Sheffield Wednesday in 1998, he pushed referee Paul Alcock to the ground after being sent off and was banned for 11 matches.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21991812

Paully D

rarnes1 wrote: »

MP David Miliband quits Sunderland board after Di Canio hired because of his extreme political views



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21991812

Miliband was going to be leaving soon anyway. He had agreed to go to New York and would have left his position at Sunderland in the near future. However, being the politician that he is he has seen this as a perfect opportunity to gain some positive press for himself and has bowed out now. Happy enough to invade Iraq, but yet the appointment of Di Canio as manager has pushed him over the edge. Aye, righto David, you can stick your morals where the sun don't shine.

I didn't want Di Canio myself for footballing reasons more so than his political views but where was all the faux outrage from football fans when he was appointed manager at Swindon? Stan Collymore on Twitter now has it about right:

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 7m
Didn't see so many with faux outrage when he was at Swindon. Go and picket the SoL if you feel strongly about him being there.

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 5m
Where were you anti fascists at Swindon? Where we're you when he was st WHU/Sheff Wed. Pick and chose your outrage.

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 4m
Vote with your feet. Don't by Sky, don't attend Prem games. Simple, Di Canios will go then surely?

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 2m
Seriously, where were the protests, pickets, withdrawal of sponsorship when he was playing in the Prem? What's changed? His views haven't!

Paully D

Paully D wrote: »

Miliband was going to be leaving soon anyway. He had agreed to go to New York and would have left his position at Sunderland in the near future. However, being the politician that he is he has seen this as a perfect opportunity to gain some positive press for himself and has bowed out now. Happy enough to invade Iraq, but yet the appointment of Di Canio as manager has pushed him over the edge. Aye, righto David, you can stick your morals where the sun don't shine.

I didn't want Di Canio myself for footballing reasons more so than his political views but where was all the faux outrage from football fans when he was appointed manager at Swindon? Stan Collymore on Twitter now has it about right:

Fair enough.

Tbh, I didn't even know of his involvement with Sunderland. Just seen the story on BBC and linked it.

Di Canio and his views etc will inevitably get more focus as it's a more high profile job in the top tier.

Mr.Nice Guy

I think this move is mad. I disagreed with Reading sacking McDermott, but at least they got in a guy who has a proven record of getting teams promoted to the Premiership. Di Canio has not even worked at Championship level.

I suppose we will hear how it's a move designed to 'galvanise' the team, but it's a move that could just as easily polarise it.

I think Di Canio's main priority will be Di Canio.

Paully D

rarnes1 wrote: »

Fair enough.

Tbh, I didn't even know of his involvement with Sunderland. Just seen the story on BBC and linked it.

Di Canio and his views etc will inevitably get more focus as it's a more high profile job in the top tier.

He was the non-executive vice-chairman officially. Really what he did (and did very well to be fair) was use his contacts to get the club ''in there'' with sponsorship figures etc. He was apparently the main man behind getting the Invest in Africa deal. Paid handsomely for it too mind, £125,000 for 15 days work according to The Telegraph. But aye, he would have left in the near future anyway so this is a great opportunity for him to create some positive press from it.

It's going to be painful listening to the constant faux outrage from the press and fans about his political views now when they couldn't care less up until an hour ago. He's already addressed the issue many times before too, good read here if anyone wants it:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/paolo-di-canio-my-life-speaks-for-me-6273526.html

Paully D

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I think this move is mad. I disagreed with Reading sacking McDermott, but at least they got in a guy who has a proven record of getting teams promoted to the Premiership. Di Canio has not even worked at Championship level.

I suppose we will hear how it's a move designed to 'galvanise' the team, but it's a move that could just as easily polarise it.

I think Di Canio's main priority will be Di Canio.

It's a huge, huge risk but at this stage of the season given our current predicament I don't think anyone is under any illusion about it.

Like you say, it could galvanise the team, it could polarise it, but the team were dead under O'Neill and going down. This might just work.

I'd virtually certain that it won't work long term but I'll cross that bridge if we stay up. That's the most important thing right now.

T-K-O

He's the type of manager that could very well galvanize the squad and keep them up, long term I think he and the team will struggle.

daithijjj

Paully D wrote: »

Miliband was going to be leaving soon anyway. He had agreed to go to New York and would have left his position at Sunderland in the near future. However, being the politician that he is he has seen this as a perfect opportunity to gain some positive press for himself and has bowed out now. Happy enough to invade Iraq, but yet the appointment of Di Canio as manager has pushed him over the edge. Aye, righto David, you can stick your morals where the sun don't shine.

I didn't want Di Canio myself for footballing reasons more so than his political views but where was all the faux outrage from football fans when he was appointed manager at Swindon? Stan Collymore on Twitter now has it about right:

Not true at all. It was only posted on the Sunderland website a couple of days ago he would be staying on.

http://www.safc.com/news/club-news/2013/march/miliband-to-maintain-role

Paully D

daithijjj wrote: »

Not true at all. It was only posted on the Sunderland website a couple of days ago he would be staying on.

http://www.safc.com/news/club-news/2013/march/miliband-to-maintain-role

How involved do you think he was going to be from New York with a new job as head of the International Rescue Committee? He'd probably have stayed on to pick up his last paycheck and then go, hence my post. It was a matter of time before he left and he saw this as the perfect get out with some positive press for himself. He's not a fool.

daithijjj

Paully D wrote: »

How involved do you think he was going to be from New York with a new job as head of the International Rescue Committee? He'd probably have stayed on to pick up his last paycheck and then go, hence my post. It was a matter of time before he left and he saw this as the perfect get out with some positive press for himself. He's not a fool.

Doesn't matter a jot what i (or anyone else) think tbh. Its there on the club website 4 days ago he was staying despite his move.

As for level of involvement, there are owners of clubs outright that spend most of their time out of the country.

Paully D

daithijjj wrote: »

Doesn't matter a jot what i (or anyone else) think tbh. Its there on the club website 4 days ago he was staying despite his move.

As for level of involvement, there are owners of clubs outright that spend most of their time out of the country.

At the end of the day Milliband recently accepted a highly paid position in New York and got the out he needed along with a nice bit of press and took it. He's just being the opportunistic politician that he is/was. Miliband cares no more about Di Canio's political views than the football fans and press who have suddenly become outraged do. James McClean has controversial political views but that didn't seem to bother him at all.

Anyway I'm bowing out of the Sunderland threads now as I've said everything I need to say regarding the football and don't care about the politics.

Overall sacking O'Neill was the correct decision because we were going down otherwise. This is a chance that needed to be taken. It might work, it might not, time will tell. Di Canio certainly won't work long term IMO but all that matters at the minute is Premier League survival. I just pray we'll be a Premier League team after the next 7 games.

For those interested in the politics read the Independent article above and also Marcotti on Twitter seems to be getting into it now too.

I'm out.

kryogen

Yay! the chance to watch Di Canio fall flat on his ****ing face "in glorious HD" courtesy of sky sports

Delighted he has found a PL club dumb enough to hire him, lets see how far his antics get him in this division (though he has some chance at keeping them up this year of course due to the shock factor) I think I will be rooting for them to survive now so I can watch him implode properly next season

kryogen

Very clever politicking from Miliband in all fairness, credit where it is due.

qwabercd

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I think Di Canio's main priority will be Di Canio.

That's a bit harsh. The guy gave 30k of his own cash to keep players at Swindon.

kryogen

buyer95 wrote: »

This is basically how Fergie works too, and it hasn't worked out too bad for him. His job is to pick the team and to come up with tactics, and buy the right players not to set up the cones.

Where in the name of God are you getting this?

andyman

Di Canio must have thought he was taking over the Sudetenland

Lovely Bloke

Why do his political beliefs matter?

He has said he's not a racist, do people not believe that?

Right leaning political thinking is legitimite, but the youger demographic who mostly use the internet will have you believe that anyone even slightly to the right is some hate filled lunatic. Simply not true.

In fact, the weirdest political musings I see online come from trippy hippy, do-good, leftist crusties.

Lovely Bloke

andyman wrote: »

Di Canio must have thought he was taking over the Sudetenland

...but in fairness, this is a pretty good post. Needs more love imo.

gnfnrhead

This is football, not politics. What do his personal beliefs matter? I'm sure Sunderland fans wont care what he believes if he keeps them up.

Technique

At least the training will run on time.

LiamoSail

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Why do his political beliefs matter?

He has said he's not a racist, do people not believe that?

He may claim not be, however his stated admiration for Mussolini would seem to conflict with that view

gnfnrhead wrote: »

This is football, not politics. What do his personal beliefs matter? I'm sure Sunderland fans wont care what he believes if he keeps them up.

A lot of fans feel a club is more then just a football team, that it represents their culture, community etc, and as such I think it's justifiable that they wouldn't want to be managed by a fascist

Einhard

andyman wrote: »

Di Canio must have thought he was taking over the Sudetenland

Ha, has to be in contention for best comment of the year!

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Why do his political beliefs matter?

He has said he's not a racist, do people not believe that?

Right leaning political thinking is legitimite, but the youger demographic who mostly use the internet will have you believe that anyone even slightly to the right is some hate filled lunatic. Simply not true.

In fact, the weirdest political musings I see online come from trippy hippy, do-good, leftist crusties.

He's stated he's a fascist. I think that's worthy of some comment.

gnfnrhead wrote: »

This is football, not politics. What do his personal beliefs matter? I'm sure Sunderland fans wont care what he believes if he keeps them up.

His beliefs matter because they speak to his character. I'm not slating him or defending him, but of course personal beliefs matter. If he stated that he was in favour of paedophilia, I guarantee you wouldn't be hear claiming that his personal beliefs don't matter. Fascism is a pretty reprehensible ideology.

Dempsey

To sack O'Neill with Di Canio as his preferred replacement makes me LOL. If there ever was a board decision to make fans burn season books, that is it!

LuckyLloyd

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Why do his political beliefs matter?

He has said he's not a racist, do people not believe that?

Right leaning political thinking is legitimite, but the youger demographic who mostly use the internet will have you believe that anyone even slightly to the right is some hate filled lunatic. Simply not true.

In fact, the weirdest political musings I see online come from trippy hippy, do-good, leftist crusties.

Sure. Libertarianism; Anarcho Captalism; Austrian Ecomomics are all valid and interesting. Facism is ****ing facism. Not cool brother. And no, I do not believe that a stated admirer of Mussolini is not racist.

There is a very important distinction to be made between Eco Environmentalist activists and socialist political platforms; just as there needs to be a distinction made between fascist / BNP type groups and right wing free market type platforms. Hateful / irrational extremism is really bad.

gnfnrhead wrote: »

This is football, not politics. What do his personal beliefs matter? I'm sure Sunderland fans wont care what he believes if he keeps them up.

By all means hold that opinion if you've never had an issue with the abuse of black players or the attempt of neo nazi groups to infiltrate the football support of certain clubs around Europe.

smileyj1987

Dempsey wrote: »

To sack O'Neill with Di Canio as his preferred replacement makes me LOL. If there ever was a board decision to make fans burn season books, that is it!

But Di Canio would be the perfect choice to get underperforming players to play because he we give them a kicking if they don't . He actually reminds me of the crazy goal keeper Viv Wright from Dream Team .

Hammer Archer

Cannot wait for Sunderland's game at the Boleyn next season (hopefully they stay up). It'll be some welcome for him.

mosstin

Sunderland defenders will have to be wary how they appeal for offsides.

Di Canio will get the nickname Father Ted soon if he is not careful between accusations of racism and kicking people up the arse.

monkey9

Things learned from the Di Canio appointment. It's ok to have a facist as manager of a lower league club, that's cool. But appoint a manager who's facist at a Premier League club, people start becoming political and moral.

smokedeels

gnfnrhead wrote: »

This is football, not politics. What do his personal beliefs matter? I'm sure Sunderland fans wont care what he believes if he keeps them up.

In his personal life, I guess they don't. He lives and works in a free country.

However, if I supported a team he managed I'd want him to clarify his beliefs and if they were fascist in nature then I'd find it hard to accept him as part of an institution I support.

aidan24326

Stupid move to get rid of O'Neill at this stage of the season. I hope they go down.

monkey9

aidan24326 wrote: »

Stupid move to get rid of O'Neill at this stage of the season. I hope they go down.

No wonder you're disappointed that O'Neill got the boot so!

Jelle1880

At least Sunderland's right wingers will thrive.

jmayo

Well that's McClean fooked.
No way di cannio will want a left winger that won't wear nationalistic symbols.

If he survives this season he can definetly find a like minded goalie.
He could start with buffon, sereni or abbiati.

Green Fella

I'm not sure on the rule on bumping old threads but this really is an interesting read, I think it speaks for itself on O'Neill, he's not up to scratch and his time is up

monkey9 wrote: »

They needed a change. O'Neill has lost whatever spark he had before to motivate players. His time in management is probably up.

True 3 years ago and true now. His next gig will be with ITV or the English lower leagues.

monkeysnapper

I'm going to bed , to much internet for one night

Hands up, I'm confused.

Because some posters criticised him towards the end of his time at Sunderland, does this mean he and Keane did not lead Ireland to getting 5 points v Germany in the qualifiers? Have we entered a crack in the time space continuum where reviews of a managers performance years ago are used to judged them now?

Well might I say that I've studied Claudio Ranieri's time at Greece and that man will never manage any team to win anything.

Esse85

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hands up, I'm confused.

does this mean he and Keane did not lead Ireland to getting 5 points v Germany in the qualifiers?

.

You said it.

Gavlor

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hands up, I'm confused.

Because some posters criticised him towards the end of his time at Sunderland, does this mean he and Keane did not lead Ireland to getting 5 points v Germany in the qualifiers? Have we entered a crack in the time space continuum where reviews of a managers performance years ago are used to judged them now?

Well might I say that I've studied Claudio Ranieri's time at Greece and that man will never manage any team to win anything.

Did we get a bonus point? You really are confused

OldMrBrennan83

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Akrasia

Patww79 wrote: »

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Nothing less than world domination