An Seomra Caidrimh - Ullmhú don Scrúdú Béil

Leaving Cert Student

Ba mhian liom liosta seanfhocail a fheiceáil le do thoil, mura bhfuil tú ró-ghnóthach cheana féin!

I would enjoy growing cognizant of a proverbial list if you would be so kind, on the condition that you have adequate spare time to offer such a service.

[quote="ChemHickey;83951051"
Ok, the passive voice is difficult to explain in irish and is important so I'll explain in english if that's ok? (Sorry :P )

You use the passive voice when an action is committed and nobody knows who commited it. I find the easiest way to remember to use the passive is when you have a "Bhí/Tá/Beidh/Bheadh sé {past participle eg. curtha, tógtha, ráite, beirthe, déanta etc.}". So instead of saying "Bhí sé déanta" you would say "Rinneadh é" [only if in the remainder of the sentence there is no connection with a person/noun and said action].

So

Tá sé tógtha chuile lá - Tógtar é chuile lá.
It's built everyday

Beidh sé ráite amárach- Dearfar é amárach
It'll be said tomorrow

Bheadh sé déanta le cúnamh Dé - Dhéanfaí é le cúnamh Dé
It would be done with the hope of God

Etc.

I have a good list of some seanfhocals and also some idioms I can post up when I have time.[/quote]

(I'm on my phone so I'm just replying as Bearla, will probably test myself and edit inthe Irish later)
I'm sorry I understand the passive voice and how to use it. I should have been more specific. I meant to ask where in the oral people use it. Are you using it in general questions? Harder questions?

That would be great, if you have time of course.

Also, thanks for the corrections!

Leaving Cert Student

An bhfuil a fhios ag éinne cad é ba chiall leis na phrasaí seo. Tá dearmad glan déanta agam!
Would anyone care to inform me as to the meaning of the following phrases. Said meanings have completely escaped me.

- "Ní raibh cíos, cás no cathú orthu"
- "Bhí sé ar mhuin na muice"
- "gan aithne, gan urlabhra"
-"i bhfaiteadh na súl"
-" bhí siad i ndeireaadh na feide"

Go raibh míle maith agaibh!

Leaving Cert Student

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

- "Ní raibh cíos, cás no cathú orthu"
- "Bhí sé ar mhuin na muice"
- "gan aithne, gan urlabhra"
-"i bhfaiteadh na súl"
-" bhí siad i ndeireaadh na feide"

Go raibh míle maith agaibh!

1. They hadn't a care in the world.
2. He was on the pig's back (very happy/delighted)

That is the extent of my knowledge I'm afraid.

Canard

third is unconscious and fifth is (i think) at the end of their tethers, but not sure what the fourth is.

bluejay14

Fourth is "in the blink of an eye"

ray2012

Tá ceist amháin agamsa. Níl a fhios agam é a mhiniú, so tugann mé shampla dóibh :

msh- Gheall sé nach ndhéanfadh (MC) sé é arís. An bhfuil an focal gan 'h' nó le 'h' ? Ceapaim go bhfuil sé gan ach níl mé ró-chinnte in aon chor! An bhfuil sé an rud céanna leis an bhfocal 'go' roimhe ? Go raibh míle maith agaibh

I have one question. I don't know how to describe it, so I will give ye an example:

e.g - He promised that he wouldn't (MC) do it again. Is the word without 'h' or with 'h' ? I think that it is without but I am not too-sure at all! Is it the same thing with the word 'go' (e.g go ndéanfadh sé) before it ? Thank ye


Táim ag féachaint air leis an 'h' agus níl sé ceart, ceart? :P

Leaving Cert Student

ray2012 wrote: »

Tá ceist amháin agamsa. Níl a fhios agam é a mhiniú, so tugann mé shampla dóibh :

msh- Gheall sé nach ndhéanfadh (MC) sé é arís. An bhfuil an focal gan 'h' nó le 'h' ? Ceapaim go bhfuil sé gan ach níl mé ró-chinnte in aon chor! An bhfuil sé an rud céanna leis an bhfocal 'go' roimhe ? Go raibh míle maith agaibh

I have one question. I don't know how to describe it, so I will give ye an example:

e.g - He promised that he wouldn't (MC) do it again. Is the word without 'h' or with 'h' ? I think that it is without but I am not too-sure at all! Is it the same thing with the word 'go' (e.g go ndéanfadh sé) before it ? Thank ye


Táim ag féachaint air leis an 'h' agus níl sé ceart, ceart? :P

Gan an h,



Dar liom.

feargale

Gan h

ChemHickey

Táim ar m'fhón soghluaiste so tá brón orm mura bhfuil mo ghramadach/litriú ceart (is FUATH liom téacsáil thuarthach nuair atá tú ag scríobh as Gaeilge!)

I'm on my phone so sorry if I've grammar orspelling mistakes(I hate predictive text when writing in Irish!)

I hope there aren't too many mistakes, and sorry if you can't read them, I kind of just scribbled them down quickly.

ChemHickey

I might have some more perhaps, and I have seanfhocail and the sort but it might take me a few days unless I get more work than planned done! :P

Leaving Cert Student

perfect!

ray2012

GRMA Tá siad an-úsáideach!

0mega

ChemHickey wrote: »

Táim ar m'fhón soghluaiste so tá brón orm mura bhfuil mo ghramadach/litriú ceart (is FUATH liom téacsáil thuarthach nuair atá tú ag scríobh as Gaeilge!)

I'm on my phone so sorry if I've grammar orspelling mistakes(I hate predictive text when writing in Irish!)

I hope there aren't too many mistakes, and sorry if you can't read them, I kind of just scribbled them down quickly.

Is féidir liom a rá i ndáiríre, níor chuala mé an móramh riamh! Beidh siad an-úsáideach chun aiste a scríobh!

I can honestly say, I have never heard of the majority before! They will be very useful for writing an essay.

AndreaEgan

Tá caighdeán maith le feicéail tríd síos an thread seo agus is smaoineamh deas é seo chun ár ngaeilge a feabhsú roimh an bhealtrial!
Táim ag athbhreithniú na sraith pictiúir anois ach sin é, agus sea, is fuath liom na sraith pictiúirí! Ceapaim go bhfuil caighdeán scríofa ard agam ach bíonn mo labhairt uafasach! Bíonn mé neirbhíseach.
Aon smaointe do na ceisteanna 'i mbéal an phobail'? Bulaíocht? nó ceisteanna faoi Facebook? Pholaitíocht? An Tostal? no ceisteanna faoi Facebook?

Táim cinnte go bhfuil a lán de na botúin ann!

There is a high standard to be seen throughout the thread & it is a nice idea to improve our Irish before the oral.
I am revising the picture sequences atm but that's it, & yes, I hate the picture sequences! I think I have a high writing standard but my speaking is terrible! I do be nervous.
Any ideas for the 'topical' questions? Bullying? or questions about Facebook? Politics? The Gathering?

I'm sure there are a lot of mistakes there, so fix away! :P

dearbhla edwards

Thainig me ar an bhforam seo agus taim faoin dtuarim gur smaointe maith e. Faraoir, 'translating'..... Measaim go bhfuil se beaganin dian bheith ag tabhairt ide beal do dhaoine, mar ta se easca dearmad a dheanamh ar an 'translation'

I just came across this forum and i think it's a fab idea:) Unfortunately, 'translating' .... I think its a bit harsh to give out to people, because its easy to forget about the translation.

Wow, leigh me sios trid na postanna(?) ansin agus is cosuil gur achmhainn luachmhaire e seo do dhaoine ag foghlaim Gaeilge don Ardteist. D'fhreastail me ar Gaelscoil mar bhunscoil ach ta mo chaighdean Ghaeilge i bhfad o sastiuil, imionn se muna usaidim e go minic:/ Ni bhionn na ranganna dushlanach a dhothain chun chomeaid liofa. Bhuel, taim an-bhuioch os bheith partach. Cothaionn sibh an teanga ionam agus taim saghas 'in awe' de bhur stil nadurtha.

Wow, I just read down through the posts there and this is definitely a valuable resource for people learning Irish for the leaving! Myself, I went to a gaelscoil as a primary school but my standard of Irish is far from satisfactory, my irish goes if i amnt using it yano! School classes arent challenging enough to stay fluent. Well, Im very grateful to be able to participate. This is a stimulating grounds for irish conversation and im kinda in awe of yer natural shhtyle

Slow Show

bluejaymraz wrote: »

Hmmmmmm, bhuel, cinnte gur ceist chasta, chigilteach, chonspoideach e fadhb na bulaiochta. Is fainne fi nimhneamh e gan dabht, i mo thuairim pearsanta fein. Cruthaionn se easpa feinmhuinine i measc an aos og - na daoine is neamhurchoideach inar tsochai ach nilimid in ann e a sheachaint. Ta se fite fuaite le beagnach gach ghne don saol. Ta cibearbhulaiocht forleathan ar fud an domhan anois buiochas le re na teicneolaiochta. Fado, nuair a bhi duine faoi bhulaiocht, bhi siad abalta dearmad a dheanamh air nuair a bhi siad sa bhaile. Ar an drochuair, ta se athruithe sa riocht anois. Ta athru intinne ag taisteal go gear orainn go leir maidir leis an bhulaiocht, ta an meid sin soleir do gach mac mathair agus inion athair. Ta nios mo le deanamh againn chun na deagoiri is soinneanta, saonta a chosaint.

I know this is from ages ago but I'm browsing through the thread looking for things I don't have prepared but a question they'd probably throw at you if you ended like that would be Cad a d'fheadfaí muid a dheanamh chun an fhadhb a réiteach?. Just something to be wary of when you end answers like that.

0mega

Táim briste, brúite, brónach mar go bhfuil deireadh na seachtaine ag teacht le luas lasrach! Tá méid ollmhor le déanamh agam fós.. gan trácht ar na scrúdaithe béil :eek:

ray2012

Ta scrúdú béil agam amárach Tá imní an domhain orm anois, ceapaim nach bhfuil mé réidh in aon chor! Ah, mar a deireann an seanfhocal 'Is maith an scealaí and aimsir!'

Oh, An bhfuil fhios ag aon duine an focal ar 'Mocks' ? Tá súil agam go ndéanfaidh mé go maith, ach beidh mé an-neirbhíseach.

I have my oral tomorrow I'm really worried now, I think that I'm not ready at all! Ah, as the old saying says 'Time will tell'

Oh, does anybody know the word for 'Mocks' ? I hope I will do well, but I will be very nervous.

ChemHickey

ray2012 wrote: »

Ta scrúdú béil agam amárach Tá imní an domhain orm anois, ceapaim nach bhfuil mé réidh in aon chor! Ah, mar a deir an seanfhocal 'Is maith an scealaí and aimsir!'

Oh, An bhfuil a fhios ag aon duine an focal ar 'Mocks' ? Tá súil agam go ndéanfaidh mé go maith, ach beidh mé an-neirbhíseach.

I have my oral tomorrow I'm really worried now, I think that I'm not ready at all! Ah, as the old saying says 'Time will tell'

Oh, does anybody know the word for 'Mocks' ? I hope I will do well, but I will be very nervous.

Go n-éirí an t-ádh leat! Is dócha go n-éireoidh tú go maith leis an scrúdú! Tá Gaeilge an-mhaith agat i mo bharúil.

Deirim " na bréagscrúduithe" ach deirtear "triailscrúduithe" orthu chomh maith.

Agus ná déan dearmad, deirtear "deir mé/tú/sé srl." ní deirtear "deireann" :pac:

Best of Luck! It's likely you'll do really well with it! You've really good irish in my opinion!

I say "na bréagscrúduithe" but others say "triailscrúduithe".

And don't forget that it's deir, not deireann!

ray2012

ChemHickey wrote: »

Go n-éirí an t-ádh leat! Is dócha go n-éireoidh tú go maith leis an scrúdú! Tá Gaeilge an-mhaith agat i mo bharúil.

Deirim " na bréagscrúduithe" ach deirtear "triailscrúduithe" orthu chomh maith.

Agus ná déan dearmad, deirtear "deir mé/tú/sé srl." ní deirtear "deireann" :pac:

Best of Luck! It's likely you'll do really well with it! You've really good irish in my opinion!

I say "na bréagscrúduithe" but others say "triailscrúduithe".

And don't forget that it's deir, not deireann!

Go raibh míle maith agat! Is scéal eile é nuair atá mé ag labhairt. :rolleyes:
I ndaríre? D'úsáid mé an focal "deireann" go minic sa thriailscrúduithe!
Tá a fhios agam anois, go raibh maith agat!

Thanks! It's a different story when I am speaking.
Seriously? I used the word "deireann" often in my mocks!
I know now, thanks!

Leaving Cert Student

ray2012 wrote: »

Go raibh míle maith agat! Is scéal eile é nuair atá mé ag labhairt. :rolleyes:
I ndaríre? D'úsáid mé an focal "deireann" go minic sa thriailscrúduithe!
Tá a fhios agam anois, go raibh maith agat!

Thanks! It's a different story when I am speaking.
Seriously? I used the word "deireann" often in my mocks!
I know now, thanks!

Tá "deireann" ceart go leor agus tú ag labhairt measaim ach ní cheart ach "deir" a scríobh le bheith fírinneach. Déantar an botún sin go minic. An bhfuil botún litrithe i gceart agam?

ChemHickey

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

Tá "deireann" ceart go leor agus tú ag labhairt measaim ach ní cheart ach "deir" a scríobh le bheith fírinneach. Déantar an botún sin go minic. An bhfuil botún litrithe i gceart agam?

Bhuel, deirtear "Deireann" go minic sa teanga labhartha ach níl sé "ceart". Ní thugfaidh na scrúdaitheoirí "deireann" faoi deara ach, chloisfaidís tú ag rá "deir" agus thuigfaidís go bhfuil an ceart agat agus go bhfuil na briathra neamhrialta ar eolas agat, má thuigeann sibh libh mé?

Agus tá botún litrithe i gceart agat.

Bhuel, "deireann" is said often in the spoken language, but it isn't "correct". (It's kind of like us saying "I seen it or I done it", well, kind of :P). The examiner probably won't notice you say deireann but they'll notice if you say Deir and will recognise that you're right and that you know the irregulars, if ye catch my drift.

And yep, it's right

bluejay14

Slow Show wrote: »

I know this is from ages ago but I'm browsing through the thread looking for things I don't have prepared but a question they'd probably throw at you if you ended like that would be Cad a d'fheadfaí muid a dheanamh chun an fhadhb a réiteach?. Just something to be wary of when you end answers like that.

NI mor do thuismitheoiri a bheith nios oscailte lena gcuid paisti faoi ma suiomh shoisialta cosuil le facebook agus a leitheid. Bionn se ar na lionrai soisialta cosuil le ask.fm a tharlionn an cuid is mo den bhulaiocht. Sa scoil seo, bhi "Seachtain Cairdeas againn i mi na Nollaig. Bhi eachtrai eigin ar suil gach la chun cairdeas agus tuiscint a neartu agus a forbairt i meas na daltai agus idir na daltai agus na muinteoiri. Bhi ceacht againn chuile la nuair a d'fhoghlamar faoin bhulaiocht agus conas a deileail leis. I mo thuairim pearsanta fein, ba smaoineamh an-mhaith e agus bhi na ceachtanna an-luachmaire duinn. Ceapaim go bhfuil se fiorthabhachtach an eolas a bheith agat chun tu fein agus do chairde a chosaint agus an maistineacht a sheachaint.

Parents need to be more open with their children about social networks like facebook. It is on sites like ask.fm that the majority of bullying takes place. In this school we had a "Friendship Week" in December. There were various events on every day to nurture and develop friendship and understanding amomgst the students and between the students and teachers. We had a lesson every day where we learned about bullying and how to deal with it. In my own personal opinion, it was a very good idea and the lessons were very valuable to us. I think it is very important to have the knowledge to protect yourself and your friends and avoid bullying.

Slow Show

^^Tá se goidte.

An bhfuil slíocht ullmhaithe ag éinne faoin gcóras sláinte (Hi 0mega), tá orm rud éigin faoi a ullmhú ach táim ro-leisciúil agus tinn na laethanta seo, níl ag eirí go maith liom ar chor ar bith! Ta sé ar intinn agam leigheas a dheanamh an bhlian seo chugainn agus beidh seans maith agam go gcuirfear ceist ormsa faoin gcóras sláinte!

bluejay14

Rinne me sin suas i bhfaiteadh na sul agus ta ionadh orm as me fein i ndairire pire. Ta se fior freisin! Nil ceist i ata ullmhaithe agam roimhe sin mar sin, ta se thar a bheith in am dom e a fhoghlaim.

I made that up in the blink of an eye and I am amazed at myself really. It's true as well! It's not a question that I had ever prepared really so it's high time I learned it now.

ray2012

Slow Show wrote: »

^^Tá se goidte.

An bhfuil slíocht ullmhaithe ag éinne faoin gcóras sláinte (Hi 0mega), tá orm rud éigin faoi a ullmhú ach táim ro-leisciúil agus tinn na laethanta seo, níl ag eirí go maith liom ar chor ar bith! Ta sé ar intinn agam leigheas a dheanamh an bhlian seo chugainn agus beidh seans maith agam go gcuirfear ceist ormsa faoin gcóras sláinte!

Níl sé riachtanach a lán a rá in aon chor! Úsáideann mé frásaí cosúil le "Tá an fhadhb imithe ó smacht" nó "Cuirim féin an locht ar an gCóras Sláinte mar ní chuirtear mórán béime ar fhadhb na ndrugaí". Ansin, labhair faoin réiteach nó rud éigin cosúil le sin. Tá shampla amháin agamsa ach tá sé ar an gcúlú eacnamaiochta - "Beidh ar ghach duine sa tír seo íoc as fiacha na mbancanna ar feadh tréimhse fada!"

It's not necessary to say a lot at all! I use phrases like "The problem is one out of control" or "I myself put the blame on the health system because not enough emphasis is put on the problem of drugs". Then, talk about the solution or something like that. I have one example but it is on the recession - "Everybody in this country will have to pay the debts of the banks for a very long time".

I'm gonna say this in English, you don't need a WHOLE lot to say. Just have a couple of sentences on the problem, who the blame is on, and the solution and you should be sorted. You could bring in a sneaky modh coinnolach on what you would do if you worked in the health system. If you learn a few general phrases that can be used for any sort of problems in government or whatever, you should be grand.

Leaving Cert Student

ray2012 wrote: »

Níl sé riachtanach a lán a rá in aon chor! Úsáideann mé frásaí cosúil le "Tá an fhadhb imithe ó smacht" nó "Cuirim féin an locht ar an gCóras Sláinte mar ní chuirtear mórán béime ar fhadhb na ndrugaí". Ansin, labhair faoin réiteach nó rud éigin cosúil le sin. Tá shampla amháin agamsa ach tá sé ar an gcúlú eacnamaiochta - "Beidh ar ghach duine sa tír seo íoc as fiacha na mbancanna ar feadh tréimhse fada!"

It's not necessary to say a lot at all! I use phrases like "The problem is one out of control" or "I myself put the blame on the health system because not enough emphasis is put on the problem of drugs". Then, talk about the solution or something like that. I have one example but it is on the recession - "Everybody in this country will have to pay the debts of the banks for a very long time".

I'm gonna say this in English, you don't need a WHOLE lot to say. Just have a couple of sentences on the problem, who the blame is on, and the solution and you should be sorted. You could bring in a sneaky modh coinnolach on what you would do if you worked in the health system. If you learn a few general phrases that can be used for any sort of problems in government or whatever, you should be grand.

Should usaideann me become usaidim other are both right?

ray2012

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

Should usaideann me become usaidim other are both right?

I was thinking about that, but I've never seen "úsádim" before so I didn't write it. It may be right, I don't know, but I know you can say úsáideann mé as well.

bluejay14

I would always say "usaidim". It's the same with every verb in the present tense as well, I'd say "Taim" "Glanaim" etc.

Slow Show

Both are acceptable as far as I know! Well I've had different teachers who'd use one or the other anyway,

ChemHickey

Is féidir libh an dá cheann a úsáid. Úsáidtear an fhoirm scartha "Glanann mé, dúnann mé srl" níos minice ar chósta thiar na hÉireann, Co. na Gaillimhe srl. Úsáidtear an ceann eile "glanaim, dúnaim srl", (rinne mé dearmad ar an ainm anois, gheobhaidh mé é! ) i ngach áit, ach ar chósta thoir na hÉireann ach go háirithe. Braitheann sé ar do mhúinteoir in aon chor!

You can use both. The separated-form (examples) are more often used on the west coast, galway etc. The other amalgamated-form (I can't think of the actual name of it! I'll find out!) is used more on the east coast) But both are fine. It depends on your teacher anyways!

Also, would you still like me to correct your stuff? I don't mind doing it, but I don't want to be annoying ye at the same time :P

TehFionnster

An bhféadfá duine éigin a rá liom más feidir liom Gaeilge shímplí ceart a úsáid chun grád A1 a fháil? Muna stopaim agus go leanaim ag caint? Is dócha gurb í an Ghaeilge atá á úsáid agam an caighdéan atá i gceist agam thuas.


Could anyone tell me if I can use simple, correct Irish to get an A1? If I don't stop talking. I suppose the irish i'm using is the standard I mean.

0mega

Slow Show wrote: »

^^Tá se goidte.

An bhfuil slíocht ullmhaithe ag éinne faoin gcóras sláinte (Hi 0mega), tá orm rud éigin faoi a ullmhú ach táim ro-leisciúil agus tinn na laethanta seo, níl ag eirí go maith liom ar chor ar bith! Ta sé ar intinn agam leigheas a dheanamh an bhlian seo chugainn agus beidh seans maith agam go gcuirfear ceist ormsa faoin gcóras sláinte!

Tá sé ullamh agam mar ceapaim go bhfaighfidh mé ceist faoin gcóras sláinte gan aon amhras nuair a luann mé ba mhian liom leighis a dhéanamh tar éis na hArdteist.

Caithfidh mé a adhmháil, táim ró-leisciúil ag an dtaca seo é a clóscríobh ach déanfaidh mé é amárach. Áfach, mar a dúirt Ray, ní bheadh gá duit labhairt faoi i mion go beacht! Déarfadh mé 'bíonn daoine ag cur is ag cúiteamh faoin gcoras sláinte de shíor, agus mar is eol dúinn, ceapann said go bhfuil an locht ar an rialtas/gcúlú/gcóras bainceireachta.

Tá sé ar intinn agam a bheith timpeallaithe ag Gaeilge ag an seachtain seo chugainn - amhail is ag faire ar TG4 agus ag éisteacht le RNG!

I have it prepared because I think that I will get a question on the Health System without a doubt when I mention that I would like to do medicine after the LC.

I have to admit, I'm too lazy to type it at this time, but I will do it tomorrow! However, as Ray said, you would not have to speak about it in precise detail.
I would say 'people are complaining about the health system constantly, and as we know, they think the blame is on the government/recession/banking system.

It's on my mind to be surrounded by Irish next week - like watching TG4 and listening to RNG!

ChemHickey

TehFionnster wrote: »

An bhféadfá duine éigin a rá liom más feidir liom Gaeilge shímplí ceart a úsáid chun grád A1 a fháil? Muna stopaim agus go leanaim ag caint? Is dócha gurb í an Ghaeilge atá á úsáid agam an caighdéan atá i gceist agam thuas.


Could anyone tell me if I can use simple, correct Irish to get an A1? If I don't stop talking. I suppose the irish i'm using is the standard I mean.

Is féidir, cinnte. Níl sé ag lorg ach líofacht agus má úsáideann tú Gaeilge shimplí dheas, gheobhaidh tú na marcanna. ~Féinmhúinín~ Sin an focal is tábhachtaí. Bí socar agus cuimhin, ní ach comhrá atá i gceist. Ní cheapaim gur úsáid mé Gaeilge fhíordheacair nó chasta ach níor stop mé ag caint, i ndáiríre! Ní raibh a lán ullmhaithe agam ach lean mé ar aghaidh agus níor stop mé as caint! Ní cheapaim gur stop sí mé chomh maith ach ní raibh "speel" nó aiste foghlamtha só níor cheap mé go stopfadh sí mé in aon chor! Ná stop ag caint, sin an rún

You can of course! They are looking for anything except fluenct and if you use simple, nice irish you'll get the marks. ~Selfconfidence~ that's the most important word! Be calm and remember it's only a conversation. I don't think I used a lot of difficult irish but I didn't stop talking, seriously! I didn't have a lot prepared (at all!) but I continued on and I didn't stop speaking. I don't think she stopped me at all because I didn't have a speel or essay learned off so I didn't think she would stop me anyways. But just don't stop talking!

0mega

An gceapann sibh má baineann tú úsáid as an módh coinníollach i gcúpla cinn do fhreagraí, go mbeadh sé níos dóichí gur ní chuirfeadh se/sí ceist eile ort faoin módh coinníollach? Tá deacrachtaí agam chun an módh coinníollach a úsáid i bpreabadh na súil agus b'fhearr liom úsáid píosa atá ullamh agam in ionad ceist féideartha suarach cosuil le 'cad a dhéanfá chun an gcóras sláinte a fheabhsú, da mbeifeá i do thaoiseach.' :eek:

Do ye think that if I use the conditional tense in a few of my answers, it would be more likely that I would not be asked another question on the conditional tense? I have difficulties with using the conditional tense in the blink of an eye and I would prefer to use a piece that I have prepared instead of a possible awful question like 'what would you do to improve the health system if you were Taoiseach?'

Anuas ar sin, cad é 'less likely' as Gaeilge?

ray2012

ChemHickey wrote: »

Is féidir libh an dá cheann a úsáid. Úsáidtear an fhoirm scartha "Glanann mé, dúnann mé srl" níos minice ar chósta thiar na hÉireann, Co. na Gaillimhe srl. Úsáidtear an ceann eile "glanaim, dúnaim srl", (rinne mé dearmad ar an ainm anois, gheobhaidh mé é! ) i ngach áit, ach ar chósta thoir na hÉireann ach go háirithe. Braitheann sé ar do mhúinteoir in aon chor!

You can use both. The separated-form (examples) are more often used on the west coast, galway etc. The other amalgamated-form (I can't think of the actual name of it! I'll find out!) is used more on the east coast) But both are fine. It depends on your teacher anyways!

Also, would you still like me to correct your stuff? I don't mind doing it, but I don't want to be annoying ye at the same time :P

Sea, úsáideann mé an fhoirm scartha go minic mar tá mé i mo chonaí i gContae na Gaillimhe.
Cinnte, má níl aon fhadhb agat le sin! Is maith liom na botúin a déanann mé a fhéiceáil! :P

Yeah, I often use the separated-form because I live in Galway. :P
Definitely, if you don't have any problem with that! I like seeing the mistakes I make! :P

ChemHickey

ray2012 wrote: »

Sea, úsáideann mé an fhoirm scartha go minic mar tá mé i mo chonaí i gContae na Gaillimhe.
Cinnte, mura bhfuil aon fhadhb agat leis sin! Is maith liom na botúin a dhéanann mé a fhéiceáil! :P

Ceart go leor! Is cleachtadh maith é in aon chor, agus is maith liom é! :pac: Ach níl mé foirfe só tá brón orm mura bhfuil gach rud ceart.

Cool! It's good practice anyways and I like it! But I'm not infallible so sorry if the corrections aren't all right(if I missed one or two)

Oh and btw (for everyone)

There is no irish word, muna . You use mura and murar(past tense) for the negative

SuperSayian

Muna is Munster Irish, it's not caighdeanach but it's commonly used in Corca Duibhne and you shouldn't be penalised in the oral exam if it is your cainuint however, depending on your examiner (some wouldn't know that it's part of Munster Irish), you could be penalised in the written exam!

ChemHickey

SuperSayian wrote: »

Muna is Munster Irish, it's not caighdeanach but it's commonly used in Corca Duibhne and you shouldn't be penalised in the oral exam if it is your cainuint however, depending on your examiner (some wouldn't know that it's part of Munster Irish), you could be penalised in the written exam!

Oh yeah everyone says it! It's not Munster exclusive too :P it's like I'd often say "Mrá" or "croc" instead of "mná" and "cnoc" but id spell them correctly. I said it muna up until earlier this year and nobody corrected me, and I wrote it too and nobody corrected me and I was shocked when I found out But just so people know that there isn't a word even though it is said by the multitudes.

Leaving Cert Student

I always struggle answering this question: "Cad iad na caithimh aimsire atá agat?"... I feel like it is hard to get nice vocab and 6 good points in nd always end up bottling it and saying something basic like imrím sacar le mo chairde ó am go chéile agus tá sé ar intinn agam bheith i mo bhall den chlub leadóige aitúil théis na hardteiste. Anyone wanna try a sample answer? and pls correct any mistake I might have made just now

SuperSayian

I know it's not Munster exclusive but it comes from the Munster dialect/Munster Irish! I'm a native speaker and I'd never say anything else :P it's like "chím", not standardised Irish but it is a word :P I use muna and I wasn't penalised for it in my LC last year so anyone using it should be fine afaik, but I could be wrong, it's quite difficult for them to penalise a certain dialect e.g. Many native speakers would say "ar an bhord" instead of the caighdeanach "ar an mbord" therefore, especially in the oral, the dialect would nearly have to be accepted any examiners I've met have all accepted Munster Irish

ray2012

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

I always struggle answering this question: "Cad iad na caithimh aimsire atá agat?"... I feel like it is hard to get nice vocab and 6 good points in nd always end up bottling it and saying something basic like imrím sacar le mo chairde ó am go chéile agus tá sé ar intinn agam bheith i mo bhall den chlub leadóige aitúil théis na hardteiste. Anyone wanna try a sample answer? and pls correct any mistake I might have made just now

You don't need a long complicated answer for such an easy question like that! What you posted would be perfect. You're not expected to have a whole paragraph about your past times, really. If you say what you posted above, the examiner might say "Déan cur sios ar an bhfoireann is fearr leat" or something like that. You are just being asked about your past times so it can lead onto another question (linked with what you just said).


Tá mo scrúdú béil thart anois Fuair mé 229/240 = 95% ! :eek:
Bhí ionadh an domhain orm ach bhí mé lánsásta! Cheap mé go raibh sé an-deachair toradh cosúil le sin a fháil ach anois tuigeann mé go bhfuil sé easca marcanna a fháil! Níl mé foirfe in aon chor ach fós fuair mé an toradh seo. Bhí áthas an domhain ormsa anois

My oral exam is finished now I got 229/240 = 95 ! :eek:
I was shocked but extremely happy! I thought that it was very hard to get a result like that but now I understand that it is to get marks! I am not perfect at all and still I got this result. I am really happy now

John.Icy

Bheul, Cheap mé go raibh caighdeán gaeilge maith agam, ach rinne mé an scrúdú béil agus fuair mé 22/40%. Bhí díoma orm! Cheap mé gur rinne mé scrúdú maith! Ach tá sé soléir nach raibh mé. Ar an lá, bhí me an-neirbhíseach agus mar gheall ar an gcúis seo rinne mé cupla botún dúr, ach bhí siad beag!(bhuel cheap mé!). Bhí ionadh an domhan orm nuair a chonaic mé mo torthaí. Maidir leis an comhra, bhí na marcanna uafasach! Níl mé líofa agus níl mé fiorfe, afach, ba mhaith liom a dheanamh nios fearr! An bhfuil aon comhairle agaibh??

(sorry for any mistakes or lack of fadas!)

Well, I thought I had a good standard, but I did an oral exam and I got 22/40%. I was dissapointed! I thought I did a good exam. But it's clear I didn't. On the day I was very nervous and because of this I made a few stupid mistakes, but they were small (well i thought). I was really suprised when I saw my results. Regarding the conversation, the marks were terrible. I'm not fluent and i'm not perfect, however, I want to do better! Do you have any adivce???

Leaving Cert Student

caithfidh tú pleanáil a dhéanamh don bhéaltriail. Ni gá roinnt mhór phrásaí a bheith ar eolas de ghlanmheabhar le bheith fírinneach ach do cheisteanna comónta ar nós "Cad ba mhaith leat a dhéanamh amach anseo?" ba chór go mbeidh freagra réidh agat and chleachtadh déanta. Ní gá ach cúpla seanfhocal freisin ach a dhéanamh cinnte go n-úsaideann tú iad!

You must plan. Not learn phrases but know common vocab. Should prepare for common q's. Practice. Use a few proverbs.

Ceartaigh mé le do thoil táim cinnte go bhfuil botúin déanta tríd síos mo fhreagra!

ray2012

John.Icy wrote: »

Bheul, Cheap mé go raibh caighdeán gaeilge maith agam, ach rinne mé an scrúdú béil agus fuair mé 22/40%. Bhí díoma orm! Cheap mé go ndearna mé scrúdú maith! Ach tá sé soléir nach raibh mé. Ar an lá, bhí me an-neirbhíseach agus mar gheall ar an gcúis seo rinne mé cupla botún dúr, ach bhí siad beag!(bhuel cheap mé!). Bhí ionadh an domhan orm nuair a chonaic mé mo torthaí. Maidir leis an gcomhrá, bhí na marcanna uafasach! Níl mé líofa agus níl mé foirfe, afach, ba mhaith liom a dheanamh nios fearr! An bhfuil aon comhairle agaibh??

Chonaic mé cúpla botúin, ach níl a fhios agam má tá mé ceart! Cár raibh na marcanna caillte? Gan dabht, tá air 5/5 agus 35/35 a fháil sa scrúdú béil. Marcanna easca. Dar liomsa, ná bí ag foghlaim míreanna fada de ghlanmheabhair le haghaidh an comhrá. Tá sé níos easca cúpla frásaí a fhoglaim agus iad a úsáid i gcomhrá. Tá gach scrúdaitheoir ceaptha a iarraidh ceist agat i ngach ceann de na príomh-aimsir, só, ní mór duit smaoineamh ar do fhreagraí roimh dul isteach ar an scrúdú. Úsáideann an modh coinnolach nó an saor bhriathar go minic mar is aoibheann leo iad. :P Le haghaidh na sraith pictiurí, ba chóir duit frásaí a fhoghlaim gur féidir a úsáid i bpictiúir go leor. Níl sé ro-deachair in aon chor. Ná bí néirbhíseach, tá na scrúdaitheoirí ann agus thúg sibh marcanna do go heasca! Tá siad ag iarraidh tú a dhéanamh go maith!

I saw a few mistakes, but I don't know if I am right (with the corrections)! Where were the marks lost? Without doubt, you have to get 5/5 (Welcoming) and 35/35 (Poetry) in the oral. Easy marks. In my opinion, don't be learning long paragraphs off by heart for the conversation. It's easier to learn a few phrases and to use them in conversation. Every examiner will want to ask you a question in each of the main-tense(Past,Present,Future), so, you have to think about your answers (for those type of Q's, like What did you do last summer/What will you do next summer) before you go into the exam. Use the conditional tense or the saor bhriathar often because they love them. :P For the sraith pictures, you have to learn phrases that you could use in many picture. It's not too hard at all. Don't be nervous, the examiners are there to give you marks easily! They want you to do well!

(I'm sure there are MANY mistakes in my Irish! :pac:)

I'll just say this 'as Bearla'! Before going into your oral, tell yourself "I can do this, I've learned it all." Make yourself seem confident (even if you're not). I had my mock oral the other day and this worked great. Make sure to remind yourself "This is only a conversation". That's it. Just a basic conversation in Irish - How hard can it be? Self-confidence plays a huge role in the Irish oral. If you have studied for the oral well you should feel confident that you will do well, and that you have a lot of work done for it. Nerves are normal going into the exam, but after the reading of the poetry they usually disappear. You really need to keep telling yourself that you are prepared and that you will do well. If the examiner asks you a question you've never prepared or thought of before, just give a one line answer maybe and then go straight into another topic.

For example, in my oral I mentioned that I went to a Snow Patrol concert last summer. Her next question was something like "It's said that there are a lot of drugs and alcohol at concerts, what do you think?". That was a question I hadn't prepared at all, but I had a basic idea and a couple of phrases that I could use for the problem of drugs in Ireland. I didn't panic which helped me greatly to make up an answer on the spot. My reply was
Bhuel, ní bhfaca mé aon rud cosúil le sin, ach tá a fhios agam go bhfuil fadhb na ndrugaí an-mhór sa lá atá ann inniu in Eireann! ....(mentioned 2 lines on the problems of drugs in Ireland and who I blame)

The examiner doesn't mind if you turn the question completely around at all, just as long as you're staying relatively on topic to the question (Topic of drugs/alcohol in this case). Again, I re-iterate the point that you shouldn't learn big blocks of paragraphs for the comhrá! You could maybe learn off answers for What you did last summer/ What you will do next summer/ What do you do every weekend or whatever, but for specific questions on problems in today's society, or even your family I wouldn't learn them off-by-heart. If you learn them by heart, in the oral exam all you'll be thinking of is "Oh what was the line after that?!" and then you'll blank out. You have less to worry about if you don't learn it off. But saying that, you must read your answer a couple of times and understand what you will say in the exam. It doesn't need any particular answer. If you're an honours student you should be able to make up an answer on your family anyways! Btw, you don't need long answers or complicated Irish, at all. The emphasis is put on if you can have a conversation in Irish, or not. If you can, and you can do it at great ease, you'll score highly. Even if you have 10 conditional tense verbs but can't master some of the basic questions you are being asked you won't score as well. Saying that, I would use 1 or 2 conditional tense verbs in your answer to stand out, and to ensure you won't be asked a question specific to it which can be quite tricky.

You still have another 2/3 weeks (I'm not sure!) so you have a while let. Just keep looking over your notes and get used to questions on topics you could be asked and learn a few couple of phrases you could use on a few topics. For example, I learned "Tá an fhadhb imithe ó smacht! - The problem is gone out of control". That is a perfect line to use for any social problem you are asked to talk about. All you have to do is add 2 or 3 lines onto that and there's your answer!

Just remember, tell yourself that you're confident that you'll do well. At the end of the day, it's only a conversation!

(sorry for the long post, I got a little carried away!)

0mega

Bhuel, béimíd ar ais go scoil amárach! An mbeidh sibh ag stáidéir na habhair go léir atá agaibh nó ag díriú ar an scrúdú béil? Ceapaim go mbeidh mé ag caitheadh na deireadh seachtaine seo chugainn ag cleachtadh an Gaeilge ach níl an am agam ag an dtaca seo chun chluas bhodhar a thabhairt de na habhair eile! Ní féidir liom a chreid conas tapa atá na scrúidaithe ag teacht! Cá ndeachaigh an t-am?

Well, we're back to school tomorrow! Will ye be studying all your subjects or focusing on the oral exam? I think I will spend the weekend practicing Irish but I don't have the time now to ignore my other subjects! I can't believe how fast the exams are coming. Where has the time gone?

0mega

Oh, rud eile! Bhí brionglóid as Gaeilge agam aréir.. bhí sé an aisteach! Bhí mé ag caint as Gaeilge I mo bhrionglóid agus d'aimsigh mé focal nach raibh ar eolas agam as Gaeilge agus fuair mé mo fhóclóir níos luaithe chun mo fhiosracht a shásamh!

Oh, another thing. I have a dream in Irish last night.. it was very strange! I was talking in Irish in my dream and I found a word that I did not know it in Irish and I got my dictionary earlier to satisfy my curiosity!

Leaving Cert Student

Ceist agam. Conas a deirtear "in the world" as GHaeilge. Na daoine go léir ar domhan no ar domhain no ar an domhan? no cibbé rud?

ray2012

0mega wrote: »

Bhuel, béimíd ar ais go scoil amárach! An mbeidh sibh ag stáidéir na habhair go léir atá agaibh nó ag díriú ar an scrúdú béil? Ceapaim go mbeidh mé ag caitheadh na deireadh seachtaine seo chugainn ag cleachtadh an Gaeilge ach níl an am agam ag an dtaca seo chun chluas bhodhar a thabhairt de na habhair eile! Ní féidir liom a chreid conas tapa atá na scrúidaithe ag teacht! Cá ndeachaigh an t-am?

Well, we're back to school tomorrow! Will ye be studying all your subjects or focusing on the oral exam? I think I will spend the weekend practicing Irish but I don't have the time now to ignore my other subjects! I can't believe how fast the exams are coming. Where has the time gone?

Beidh mé ag díriú ar an scrúdú béil, ceapaim. Ni dhéarna mé a lán in aon chor i rith na saoire .. An bhfuil tú ag déanamh Fraincis nó Gearmáinís? Sea, d'imigh an t-ám ro-tapa!