Teachers booing and heckling like children?

Mardy Bum

limnam wrote: »

If the fact cannot be obtained then stop rolling it out as a fact. The truth is we have no idea how much time is spend outside of the class room for these tasks.

Really what you are saying is you refuse to trust anything teachers say.
You believe that they are obviously lying in the survey provided.
You disregard anything that does not go along with your agenda of slating the profession.
You quite clearly have a massive chip on your shoulder.

RealJohn

limnam wrote: »

If the fact cannot be obtained then stop rolling it out as a fact. The truth is we have no idea how much time is spend outside of the class room for these tasks.

So should we assume that teachers do absolutely no work outside of class then? I'm pretty sure that none of it is measured.

limnam

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Really what you are saying is you refuse to trust anything teachers say.
You believe that they are obviously lying in the survey provided.
You disregard anything that does not go along with your agenda of slating the profession.
You quite clearly have a massive chip on your shoulder.

</br> No, i refuse to take a survey who asked the VI's a question that would have an impact on that VI. I haven't said one negative thing about teachers or the profession. I would have another read of the thread if I was you.

limnam

RealJohn wrote: »

So should we assume that teachers do absolutely no work outside of class then? I'm pretty sure that none of it is measured.

We should not bring in anything as fact that cannot be proven as fact. Don't bring in measurements that are not measured. The mod has stated all ready to remove hearsay. You tell me what you do outside the classroom I tell you what my friend does and what do we have? hearsay.

Lord TSC

Ah, what I wouldn't do for €65 an hour.

Hell, what I wouldn't do for €6.50 an hour :P

ManMade wrote: »

Lack of perspective in what? Guaranteed job, pension , nice hours, long holidays and early retirement options along with good pay? What am I missing?

And I would definitely like this job!

As for why his job is important, it harks back to how people have come on here before to attack teachers, and then when asked what their job is, their outrage can be debated against. As teachers, we take the individual we're talking to and try and customize our points to that person. You don't treat the kid who does all the homework to an A standard the same way you do the kid who never hands in his homework; you come at each student, each point, each problem differently.

If someone comes on here, they know what job we have (Hint: it's in the message board's name). It's only fair then that both sides are on a somewhat level playing field. I don't, personally, understand the reluctance to tell people what job you have unless you know it's going to hurt your argument for some reason...

RealJohn

limnam wrote: »

We should not bring in anything as fact that cannot be proven as fact. Don't bring in measurements that are not measured. The mod has stated all ready to remove hearsay. You tell me what you do outside the classroom I tell you what my friend does and what do we have? hearsay.

Well can you prove to me that I make €65 per hour then? And that this is typical for a teacher? And that the typical teacher makes €60,000 per year?

limnam

RealJohn wrote: »

Well can you prove to me that I make €65 per hour then? And that this is typical for a teacher? And that the typical teacher makes €60,000 per year?

I can prove there is teachers on 65e an hour yes. All ready in the thread Please review.

Mardy Bum

limnam wrote: »

We should not bring in anything as fact that cannot be proven as fact. Don't bring in measurements that are not measured. The mod has stated all ready to remove hearsay. You tell me what you do outside the classroom I tell you what my friend does and what do we have? hearsay.

As has already been said how do you expect someone to measure this? Take a video recording every time they do work outside the classroom?

RealJohn

limnam wrote: »

I can prove there is teachers on 65e an hour yes. All ready in the thread Please review.

I've read the entire thread. Unless you've edited one of your posts you haven't proven anything of the sort. Also, I didn't ask you to prove that it's possible for a teacher to earn €65 per hour, I asked your to prove that it's typical as you've been implying.

limnam

Mardy Bum wrote: »

As has already been said how do you expect someone to measure this? Take a video recording every time they do work outside the classroom?

I don't expect it to be measured, I expect it not to be brought into every discussion as it's not measured we have no idea how many teachers do it or how many hours that they spend doing it if any.

As we can't validate that. Stop bringing it up.

limnam

RealJohn wrote: »

I've read the entire thread. Unless you've edited one of your posts you haven't proven anything of the sort. Also, I didn't ask you to prove that it's possible for a teacher to earn €65 per hour, I asked your to prove that it's typical as you've been implying.

I can't help you then. It's all in the thread.

evolving_doors

Powerhouse wrote: »

With respect, it might be a little naive to assume that public sentiment is going to come into this. Teachers will reject CP2 and it'll happen anyway, in the same way that Post-Primary teacher unions rejected CP1 and it happened anyway.

I think I would have to disagree with you there powerhouse, just from talking with other colleagues they said would say yes to CP2, no to strike action precisely because they're sick of the teacher bashing that goes on in the media, and are weary of strike action creating negative public sentiment.

Now don't get me wrong though, I agree that the vote will probably turn out as a no majority. But I'm just making the point that RQ recognises that there are a lot of teachers who are sensitive to public opinion. If he can split opinion within the teaching body then it will strengthen his hand... Same as how the best excuse for cuts is the public/private false debate trotted out by Independent news and media folk...

Mardy Bum

limnam wrote: »

I don't expect it to be measured, I expect it not to be brought into every discussion as it's not measured we have no idea how many teachers do it or how many hours that they spend doing it if any.

As we can't validate that. Stop bringing it up.

You are the one banging on about 65 euro an hour. It was brought up because teachers out of contact time must be taken into account if you are going to talk about the hourly wage.

RealJohn

limnam wrote: »

I don't expect it to be measured, I expect it not to be brought into every discussion as it's not measured we have no idea how many teachers do it or how many hours that they spend doing it if any.

As we can't validate that. Stop bringing it up.

How could possibly prove how much a person earns hourly when you've just admitted that you have no way of definitively measuring how many hours they work?
Like I've said, you've proven nothing. You're just peddling hearsay to suit your own agenda and you're ignoring everything else.

limnam

Mardy Bum wrote: »

You are the one banging on about 65 euro an hour. It was brought up because teachers out of contact time must be taken into account if you are going to talk about the hourly wage.

I'm basing this on the classroom hours based in the graph, not what some teachers say they work. On the measurable.

limnam

RealJohn wrote: »

How could possibly prove how much a person earns hourly when you've just admitted that you have no way of definitively measuring how many hours they work?
Like I've said, you've proven nothing. You're just peddling hearsay to suit your own agenda and you're ignoring everything else.

We can identify the classroom hours you keep stating. so if we base it on the hours that you state can clearly be measured. you can calculate the hourly wage. I feel like a school teacher. I understand your pain.

RealJohn

limnam wrote: »

We can identify the classroom hours you keep stating. so if we base it on the hours that you state can clearly be measured. you can calculate the hourly wage. I feel like a school teacher. I understand your pain.

You still haven't told us where in the pay scale you plucked €60,000 from. And this is the first time you've specified classroom hours as opposed to working hours.
Also, answer one question without dismissing it or evading it. Do you believe that teachers do any school work at all outside of class time? The answer is yes or no.

evolving_doors

limnam wrote: »

I can prove there is teachers on 65e an hour yes. All ready in the thread Please review.

God sake man teaching is a profession get over it... Your argument is like a joe duffy rabble rouser with a person who left school with zero qualifications and jumped into the building trade... Now their giving out about teachers..

What do you want for your kids? Do you think youll still get the same profile of people wanting to enter the profession if the pay is peanuts and on a part time ad hoc basis.

If you follow the postings in this forum youll find plenty of highly qualified people from other disciplines who are thinking of changing careers to teaching... Also 6th year students asking about teaching as a career... The general sentiment from responses is, don't bother unless you want to treat it like a part time job, because thats what it has become...

Teachers on € 65 per hour are a dying/retiring breed, those days are over my friend.

Mardy Bum

limnam wrote: »

I'm basing this on the classroom hours based in the graph, not what some teachers say they work. On the measurable.

This is my final reply to you as your lack of understanding or obstinate attitude means you are not worth responding too.
Permanent teachers are not paid hourly wages. They are paid a salary. All permanent teachers will work the full 22 hours. In order to work professionally in these 22 hours teachers will work extra hours anywhere between 10 and 25 depending on experience.
You will disregard this because you have decided to treat anything said by educators as untrue. Fair enough.

limnam

RealJohn wrote: »

You still haven't told us where in the pay scale you plucked €60,000 from. And this is the first time you've specified classroom hours as opposed to working hours.
Also, answer one question without dismissing it or evading it. Do you believe that teachers do any school work at all outside of class time? The answer is yes or no.

I have, please read the thread. The answer is as you well know and I'm scratching my head why you would ask. I have know way as much as you have no way to know how many hours a teacher does outside of classroom time if any. Don't tell me what my choice in answer's is. I'm not one of your students.

limnam

Mardy Bum wrote: »

This is my final reply to you as your lack of understanding or obstinate attitude means you are not worth responding too.
Permanent teachers are not paid hourly wages. They are paid a salary. All permanent teachers will work the full 22 hours. In order to work professionally in these 22 hours teachers will work extra hours anywhere between 10 and 25 depending on experience.
You will disregard this because you have decided to treat anything said by educators as untrue. Fair enough.

Yes they're paid a salary but when you look at that salary and divide by the actual hours that are worked you can calculate the hourly wage. You're stating that teachers are working an extra 25 hours but we have no way to measure or prove that.

This is not a case of not believing an educator it's just a measurement we have no real data on and therefor we cannot use it as fact. You're choosing to state that's my belief because we're discussing educators it would be that belief regardless of profession if there was no measurement or proof.

RealJohn

limnam wrote: »

I have, please read the thread. The answer is as you well know and I'm scratching my head why you would ask. I have know way as much as you have no way to know how many hours a teacher does outside of classroom time if any. Don't tell me what my choice in answer's is. I'm not one of your students.

That's funny because you're answering like one. It is a yes or no question. Either you believe we do some work outside of class or you don't. You know admitting that we do destroys your made up figures and saying that you think we don't would make you look like an idiot and/or troll so you're refusing to answer. Everybody can see what you're doing.

And you can keep saying you told us how you came to the figure of €60,000 but that doesn't make that true either.

limnam

RealJohn wrote: »

That's funny because you're answering like one. It is a yes or no question. Either you believe we do some work outside of class or you don't. You know admitting that we do destroys your made up figures and saying that you think we don't would make you look like an idiot and/or troll so you're refusing to answer. Everybody can see what you're doing.

And you can keep saying you told us how you came to the figure of €60,000 but that doesn't make that true either.

It's ok, I'm a parent I deal with kids all the time. So you're asking me a question that you have all ready decided what box to put me in when I oanswer and then accuse me of trying to do something else by not answering the way you want.

I have to assume that you are not one of the ones on 65e an hour. the scales are per year right?

RealJohn

limnam wrote: »

It's ok, I'm a parent I deal with kids all the time. So you're asking me a question that you have all ready decided what box to put me in when I oanswer and then accuse me of trying to do something else by not answering the way you want.

I have to assume that you are not one of the ones on 65e an hour. the scales are per year right?

You still haven't answered a very simple question (yes or no?) and you're trying to throw it back at me. I don't have to explain to you how the scale works. You've already given us a figure which you claim you didn't just pick randomly/arbitrarily so must know.

Do you think teachers do any school work outside of class, yes or no?

limnam

RealJohn wrote: »

Do you think teachers do any school work outside of class, yes or no?

I have no idea. Should I write a script that responds?

RealJohn

limnam wrote: »

I have no idea. Should I write a script that responds?

I'm asking for your opinion. You either either believe we do or you don't.

jonseyblub

noodler wrote: »

I've read your post twice now, but where exactly did he lie to 500 people?

I tried to give a summary of the general aspects of his speech, because I didn't have a laptop to dictate every word of the 30 minute speech but here is a link to it if you are so concerned http://www.asti.ie/news/events/annual-convention-2013/key-speeches/.

One lie that comes to mind is that Project maths is a success. It's not and there are a myriad of reasons why he knows its not a success and I did state in the original Post that the IMTA (Maths Teachers association) sent a delegation to him with these concerns but they were basically told to get on with it.

Another lie was this statement "I want to again thank you for the extensive consultation process you have engaged in, and assure you that we will be continuing to cooperate with the ASTI in relation to implementation of the new framework for Junior Cycle"..
We as teachers were never consulted on the framework for the new junior Cert. Believe it or not (and you probably wont ) but that is the one thing that riled up most people who were there. This junior cycle reform will be a disaster and the problem is the effects of it will not be seen until Quinn is well retired enjoying his 100K pension.

limnam

RealJohn wrote: »

I'm asking for your opinion. You either either believe we do or you don't.

I can tell you what I know personally from teachers I know, but the mod has asked us not to use hearsay. So I know what some teachers do. I don't know what the others do.

RealJohn

limnam wrote: »

I can tell you what I know personally from teachers I know, but the mod has asked us not to use hearsay. So I know what some teachers do. I don't know what the others do.

That's fine. That's all I wanted to hear.
Thank you.

Chilli Con Kearney

limnam wrote: »

It's ok, I'm a parent I deal with kids all the time. So you're asking me a question that you have all ready decided what box to put me in when I oanswer and then accuse me of trying to do something else by not answering the way you want.

I have to assume that you are not one of the ones on 65e an hour. the scales are per year right?

With respect, Limnam, you're either having a laugh or you are chancing your arm at being the next big thing in the teacher bashing forum and don't have a clue what you're talking about.

If you want to live in your lala land where teachers walk in, teach 22 hours, walk out and go home, then that's fine.

We here live in the real world, where classes are prepared, copies are corrected, discipline issues are dealt with in meetings and discussions, teams are coached, advice is given in the hallway and in discussions with pupils after class, school newspapers are designed and printed, musicals are arranged, tests are prepared, parents are met for a chat if they would like/feel they need to, trips are arranged, booked and gone on, as well as much more. This is all outside of the 22 hours that you so valiantly cling to for your figures.

Frankly, it's parents like you with your rotten attitude and disregard for the work we do, who pass this on to their children at the dinner table and they bring this into schools across the country. You are doing a better job at undermining and destroying our profession than any politician could ever do with a snooty press release/speech.

I don't know what you work at and I don't really care. But I certainly would not profess to know how to do your job or rate your ability or anything of that nature. But sure, you've been in a class so you MUST know how to be a teacher and how to evaluate one too. The truth is, you never really know about a job and all the intricacies of it until you or a somebody close to you is involved in it.

jonseyblub

limnam wrote: »

You cannot blame the newspapers or the media for covering teachers booing and heckling. If the teachers had have acted like mature adults during the talks there would be no booing or heckling to be discussed.

Yet when The TUI did not boo or heckle the main news on RTE was that he wasn't heckled or booed not the speeches!!

limnam

Chilli Con Kearney wrote: »

Frankly, it's parents like you with your rotten attitude and disregard for the work we do, who pass this on to their children at the dinner table and they bring this into schools across the country. You are doing a better job at undermining and destroying our profession than any politician could ever do with a snooty press release/speech.

Once again I have not said one thing negative about teachers and you roll out "parents like me" and then you go and make wild assumptions about what I discuss with family at the dinner table and then say I have a nerve?

Chilli Con Kearney wrote: »

I don't know what you work at and I don't really care. But I certainly would not profess to know how to do your job or rate your ability or anything of that nature. But sure, you've been in a class so you MUST know how to be a teacher and how to evaluate one too. The truth is, you never really know about a job and all the intricacies of it until you or a somebody close to you is involved in it.

I have never mentioned any teachers ability, or said anything about bad teachers not one thing. please read the thread carefully and stop putting attitudes and words in my posts that are simply not there. It's possible you may have spent too much time talking and not enough listening.

limnam

jonseyblub wrote: »

Yet when The TUI did not boo or heckle the main news on RTE was that he wasn't heckled or booed not the speeches!!

Which they wouldn't have bothered reporting on if teachers had not previously boo'd and heckled? but sure. Blame the press.

Miss Lockhart

limnam wrote: »

Which they wouldn't have bothered reporting on if teachers had not previously boo'd and heckled? but sure. Blame the press.

Again, can you point out where anyone has blamed the press?

There is criticism of what the media chose to focus on, and discussion of why that's the case, but nobody saying it is wrong that they reported it.

It would be helpful if you engaged in fact on the very topic you chose to discuss.

Powerhouse

limnam wrote: »

I can tell you what I know personally from teachers I know, So I know what some teachers do. I don't know what the others do.

Yes, but as per your own comments...can you prove any of it?

seavill

noodler wrote: »

Aren't teachers paid extra for the correction of State exams?

Also, alot of my teachers in secondary school didn't have 9 classes everyday so there was always a few gaps in the day to get some prep, correcting etc done. Its not like everything was done outside of the 9-4 day.

Even still, a shorter working day than the majority of the population, summer/easter holidays etc surely more than makes up for it?

Seriously. Did you read my post at all. A poster had asked numerous times what the graph was showing. And no one had answered properly. I was explaining clearly what the graph was showing. I didn't say we should get paid extra didn't even mention anything else bi said twice that correcting state exams were extras.

If you are going to quote me at least read my post first

jonseyblub

limnam wrote: »

Which they wouldn't have bothered reporting on if teachers had not previously boo'd and heckled? but sure. Blame the press.

I actually understand the press's reasons for doing it. They know that the only way to sell papers to people like yourself is to disregard the facts and spout out wild generalisations. I'd say you spent a fortune this week. Just remember if there is one thing i can teach you today it's Reduce, Reuse and Recycle.

noodler

RealJohn wrote: »

Experienced teachers are the ones being discussed. Newly qualified teachers don't tend to go to union conferences and certainly don't get paid anything like the figures being thrown about here so they're not really relevant to this particular thread of the discussion, are they?

???

What on earth?

RealJohn wrote: »

Now doctors are far more valuable and qualified, are they? Double the training you say? Six years to train as a doctor. Five to train as a secondary teacher (depending on subject of course) going up to six now that the dip is being increased to two years. I certainly won't dispute that a doctor's training is more intense but they're certainly not completely incomparable.

A BA takes 3 years in UCD and a Hdip takes one year. Where are are you getting five from?

I dare say you have vastly underestimated a Doctor's training time while we are at it. I stand to be corrected but its four years plus a couple of extra of medical schooling.

RealJohn wrote: »

And more valuable? Well in the immediate term, I suppose they are. If you have a heart attack right now, you won't be looking for a teacher but then, where did those valuable doctors learn to be doctors? And where did they learn the skills to learn to be doctors?

Haha, brilliant reasoning there I have to admit. It all comes back to teachers - origins of the universe no doubt. Seriously though, that is a very sketchy argument.

RealJohn wrote: »

And I didn't say that I would never question what someone's paid just because of their qualifications, I said that I don't complain about how much someone's paid if they're highly trained, valuable people (assuming they're good at their jobs) like doctors.

A fair few more qualifications in that post than the orginal.

jonseyblub wrote: »

I tried to give a summary of the general aspects of his speech, because I didn't have a laptop to dictate every word of the 30 minute speech but here is a link to it if you are so concerned http://www.asti.ie/news/events/annual-convention-2013/key-speeches/.

One lie that comes to mind is that Project maths is a success. It's not and there are a myriad of reasons why he knows its not a success and I did state in the original Post that the IMTA (Maths Teachers association) sent a delegation to him with these concerns but they were basically told to get on with it.

Another lie was this statement "I want to again thank you for the extensive consultation process you have engaged in, and assure you that we will be continuing to cooperate with the ASTI in relation to implementation of the new framework for Junior Cycle"..
We as teachers were never consulted on the framework for the new junior Cert. Believe it or not (and you probably wont ) but that is the one thing that riled up most people who were there. This junior cycle reform will be a disaster and the problem is the effects of it will not be seen until Quinn is well retired enjoying his 100K pension.

I appreciate your opinion on the JC reform. I don't personally think who grades the JC matters.

In what respect was Project Maths a failure? It has been in operation for one year and there has been a marked increase in numbers to take the HL paper already. Your original post mentioned the unhappiness of the delegation but didn't seem to specify why and also didn't acknowledge the apparent achievement of the aims of the project (increasing numbers taking higher level).


It still looks to me like you completely went over the top with your original post that he lied to 500 delegates.

Chilli Con Kearney

limnam wrote: »

Once again I have not said one thing negative about teachers and you roll out "parents like me" and then you go and make wild assumptions about what I discuss with family at the dinner table and then say I have a nerve?

I have never mentioned any teachers ability, or said anything about bad teachers not one thing. please read the thread carefully and stop putting attitudes and words in my posts that are simply not there. It's possible you may have spent too much time talking and not enough listening.

You haven't said anything negative about teachers at all. You have just referred to a dramatic figure of €65 which you have decided to go hell for leather with. In a positive manner so? Is it that you feel teachers are worth this €65 that has brought you on here? I must have misread your post which I reread as you told me to. )You have some nerve telling me to read a post again).

I reflected on your suggestion that I was talking too much and not listening. Thanks for your tip. I also reread the the thread again, just like you told me to. You never mentioned anybody's ability. I did. I see the same old public hearsay, anecdotes, spiel, bull, call it what you will, in this forum every month. From people using the same old points that you are using and don't have a clue what they are talking about. It gets a little mundane listening to the same record from a new poster looking to take 'those teachers' on.

If you are not in here to post negative things, like you say you aren't, what are you posting about?

limnam

Powerhouse wrote: »

Yes, but as per your own comments...can you prove any of it?

I haven't said anyone does anything or doesn't do anything. What do I have to prove? I didn't make a statement of fact.

limnam

Chilli Con Kearney wrote: »

You haven't said anything negative about teachers at all. You have just referred to a dramatic figure of €65 which you have decided to go hell for leather with. In a positive manner so? Is it that you feel teachers are worth this €65 that has brought you on here? I must have misread your post which I reread as you told me to. )You have some nerve telling me to read a post again).

I stated the teachers employer is no longer in a position to keep on paying the current levels of pay as they're bankrupt. I don't see how that's any fault of the teachers.

Chilli Con Kearney wrote: »

I reflected on your suggestion that I was talking too much and not listening. Thanks for your tip. I also reread the the thread again, just like you told me to. You never mentioned anybody's ability. I did. I see the same old public hearsay, anecdotes, spiel, bull, call it what you will, in this forum every month. From people using the same old points that you are using and don't have a clue what they are talking about. It gets a little mundane listening to the same record from a new poster looking to take 'those teachers' on.

If you are not in here to post negative things, like you say you aren't, what are you posting about?

You're accusing me of spiel and bull etc but I have not stated any of the above. on the one point of hearsay I provided a link to the unions ansti website which provided the figure. Again accusing me of "taken on" people when I'm just joining in a discussion on shock horror a discussion forum

Mardy Bum

noodler wrote: »

???

What on earth?



A BA takes 3 years in UCD and a Hdip takes one year. Where are are you getting five from?

I dare say you have vastly underestimated a Doctor's training time while we are at it. I stand to be corrected but its four years plus a couple of extra of medical schooling.

I know a small number of teachers educated to Ph.D level. I know a large amount with a MA/MSc. I know some with just a BA/BSc along with their Hdip.

PDE are becoming two year courses while undergraduate secondary education courses will become five year courses. Teachers regularly attend professional development courses.

Miss Lockhart

noodler wrote: »

???

What on earth?



A BA takes 3 years in UCD and a Hdip takes one year. Where are are you getting five from?

I'll just highlight the relevant part of the post so we can cut short this non-specific, generalised, off topic criticism of everything and anything to do with teaching and teachers:

"depending on subject of course"

jonseyblub

noodler wrote: »

???

I appreciate your opinion on the JC reform. I don't personally think who grades the JC matters.

In what respect was Project Maths a failure? It has been in operation for one year and there has been a marked increase in numbers to take the HL paper already. Your original post mentioned the unhappiness of the delegation but didn't seem to specify why and also didn't acknowledge the apparent achievement of the aims of the project (increasing numbers taking higher level).


It still looks to me like you completely went over the top with your original post that he lied to 500 delegates.

First point regarding whether or not you care who marks the exam. Take this scenario: My son and your son are in the same class. I cant stand your son because he always wants to argue with me where my son is the apple of my eye. No matter how objective I am human nature will probably dictate that I'll probably give my son more points when correcting his project. Be mindful that it's up to individual schools to set criteria for schools regarding exams not the Department of education anymore (they'll only give guidelines). Do you think that's fair? My son will have no problem but would about yours?

Regarding project Maths: I can tell you from experience that the only reason pupils are trying HL maths at leaving Cert is because of the bonus points.
I can honestly say that the idea behind Project Maths in my opinion is generally sound but the implementation of it has been a disaster from lack of resources, lack of information regarding changes in syllabii and exam structure etc. All of which has led to anxiety amongst students and teachers alike.

Also Project Maths has been in operation for the last 3 years for most schools and 4-5 years for the pilot schools. It's just been examined for the first time last year.

Regarding whether he was lying or not. If you know what I just said above to be true (as well as the other points i made in previous posts) and still insist that its been a success would you not conclude that he was lying?

spurious

Rabble rabble, kill Frankenstein.

Dragged off topic again by those with axes to grind about teachers.

I'm off to count my 480k salary and plan my 15 month holidays.

Thread closed.