Tralee Thread (No chit-chat)

counterlock

delthedriver wrote: »

Perhaps Carchaeologist has not been looking in the Nightjar for his wealthy woman?:)

He'll need to pick up a cheap suit and some PVC loafers to fit in with the crowd. Blazer a must. Shirt & tie - optional.

kingdumb

Very sad to see the Brogue close, but I think there may be a bit more to this than simply people not having disposable income, some businesses are not doing themselves any favours.

Just to take the Brogue as a topical example [although the same can be said for many other businesses in town]

Up until a few years ago used to find myself in there every week, back when there was some decent music and Drumpound on Saturday nights, I haven't been in there in ages.
It's not that I was boycotting the place, nor that I don't have the cash money for a few scoops, it's just that some dj bating out Abba's waterloo doesn't do it for me.

As for the restaurant, although I eat out about once a week I haven't eaten in the Brogue in ages either, this is more down to the fact that as a vegetarian their menu there had one 'option'.*



* Before anyone mentions it I totally understand that the restaurant was called 'Kirby's steakhouse', but if you don't provide options for paying customers they will go elsewhere, and take my steak atein' friends with me, plus this is the case with the majority of restaurants in town.

delthedriver

counterlock wrote: »

He'll need to pick up a cheap suit and some PVC loafers to fit in with the crowd. Blazer a must. Shirt & tie - optional.

No problem for him. I guess he already has a Club blazer?;)

Carraig95

traleespud wrote: »

I'm sorry but the closing of the Brogue wasn't down to the people of Tralee simply not supporting it?? You make it sound like there was a boycott against it or something!!

Stories like this are all too familiar in every town and village in the country. Most working class people simply cannot afford to splash out on non essential luxuries like nights out, evening meals or even eating out during there lunch breaks (I've been bringing my own lunch to work for months having previously eaten in town every day, including the brogue quiet regularly)

Just because someone can't support a particular establishment doesn't mean that they wouldn't be shocked or sympathetic to hear of its demise. Naturally enough after 36 years of trading most people are going to be sympathetic.

The working class people of Tralee and beyond are at breaking point and unfortunately this has a knock on effect on many industries throughout Ireland.

This is a national problem NOT a local one!!!

With all due respect to your point, walk through any town centre on any weekend, let alone the city and the 'working class' as you say, and everyone else seem to have plenty of money to drink themselves stupid.

And I never even intimated at any suggestion of a boycott. That is a ridiculous point.

delthedriver

Carraig95 wrote: »

With all due respect to your point, walk through any town centre on any weekend, let alone the city and the 'working class' as you say, and everyone else seem to have plenty of money to drink themselves stupid.

And I never even intimated at any suggestion of a boycott. That is a ridiculous point.

I am not sure what working class actually means. To me it means anyone fortunate enough to have a job of any description.:)

traleespud

Carraig95 wrote: »

With all due respect to your point, walk through any town centre on any weekend, let alone the city and the 'working class' as you say, and everyone else seem to have plenty of money to drink themselves stupid.

And I never even intimated at any suggestion of a boycott. That is a ridiculous point.

I'd love to know what towns you've been walking through???? Tralees nightlife is non existent at the moment???? Surely you can't expect anyone to believe that the same percentages of people are socialising today as were five years ago??

traleespud

delthedriver wrote: »

I am not sure what working class actually means. To me it means anyone fortunate enough to have a job of any description.:)

Working class (or lower class, labouring class, sometimes proletariat) is a term used in the social sciences and in ordinary conversation to describe those employed in lower tier jobs (as measured by skill, education and lower incomes), often extending to those in unemployment or otherwise possessing below-average incomes. Working classes are mainly found in industrialized economies and in urban areas of non-industrialized economies.

Carraig95

traleespud wrote: »

Working class (or lower class, labouring class, sometimes proletariat) is a term used in the social sciences and in ordinary conversation to describe those employed in lower tier jobs (as measured by skill, education and lower incomes), often extending to those in unemployment or otherwise possessing below-average incomes. Working classes are mainly found in industrialized economies and in urban areas of non-industrialized economies.

There ya go! And I put working class in inverted commas, as I was surprised at the posters use of the word. I agree, it is almost an archaic word, and not entirely relevant, especially in town such as Tralee, where there wouldn't be any great disparity between the rich and the not so wealthy.

As for Tralee being quiet, I agree with the other poster, but walk through Killarney or even Dingle, not only during Tourist season, and you will see plenty of young people drinking heavily. Was in dublin and Cork recently and the amount of people out at weekends is like, totally amazeballs!

traleespud

Carraig95 wrote: »

There ya go! And I put working class in inverted commas, as I was surprised at the posters use of the word. I agree, it is almost an archaic word, and not entirely relevant, especially in town such as Tralee, where there wouldn't be any great disparity between the rich and the not so wealthy.

As for Tralee being quiet, I agree with the other poster, but walk through Killarney or even Dingle, not only during Tourist season, and you will see plenty of young people drinking heavily. Was in dublin and Cork recently and the amount of people out at weekends is like, totally amazeballs!

Carraig95 wrote: »

I agree, it is almost an archaic word,

....who exactly are you agreeing with here????? There are hundreds if not thousands of people in Tralee and Ireland that could be associated with many if not all of the the associated definitions of working class people. "lower tier jobs (as measured by skill, education and lower incomes)"

Carraig95 wrote: »

you will see plenty of young people drinking heavily,

Young people yes you will see these out enjoying themselves quiet often, there's no problem here these people frequent night clubs and and late bars and mainly come from the ITT, as a local example hennesseys horans etc will all continue to do well because of this. There will never be any lack of the youth socialising. Young college people a lot of whom wouldn't even come from Kerry wouldn't give a toss about the brogue or many other long established business in town.

Your original post is suggesting that people simply didn't support the brogue??? What would you have liked the people of Tralee to have done?????

The point I'm making is the people who would have usually frequented the brogue (working class people) are in dire straights with mortgages car loans property taxes etc etc these people including myself are barely affording a weeks shopping let alone an evening meal in a steakhouse and the like!!!

Just beacuse I don't have this luxury anymore doesn't mean I'm not going to sympathetic at its closure ???

Who or what exactly is your original rant/post aimed at????

Carraig95

traleespud wrote: »

....who exactly are you agreeing with here????? There are hundreds if not thousands of people in Tralee and Ireland that could be associated with many if not all of the the associated definitions of working class people. "lower tier jobs (as measured by skill, education and lower incomes)"




Young people yes you will see these out enjoying themselves quiet often, there's no problem here these people frequent night clubs and and late bars and mainly come from the ITT, as a local example hennesseys horans etc will all continue to do well because of this. There will never be any lack of the youth socialising. Young college people a lot of whom wouldn't even come from Kerry wouldn't give a toss about the brogue or many other long established business in town.

Your original post is suggesting that people simply didn't support the brogue??? What would you have liked the people of Tralee to have done?????

The point I'm making is the people who would have usually frequented the brogue (working class people) are in dire straights with mortgages car loans property taxes etc etc these people including myself are barely affording a weeks shopping let alone an evening meal in a steakhouse and the like!!!

Just beacuse I don't have this luxury anymore doesn't mean I'm not going to sympathetic at its closure ???

Who or what exactly is your original rant/post aimed at????

Firstly with regards to your comments about 'working class', there are undoubtedly many thousands of people who, as you said, are associated with the definition. I personally believe that many people do not like being called 'working class' as you are basically dividing society into classes depending on their employment/financial situation, ie, working class, middle class, upper middle class and upper class. This isn't Britain.

Secondly, your point that 'working class' people are the type of people who usually frequent the Brogue is ridiculous. People from every background and 'class' as you like to put it used to go there. Not everyone is in a dire financial situation like yourself, there are people in town who aren't 'working class' who never went to the Brogue, yet were lamenting its closure as if it was the worst thing ever. My point was, if it was so sad, why didn't they give them their business when the alarm bells started ringing months ago.

Now, rather than bicker here in public on a thread that has generally has a good feel to it, we can agree to disagree. Should you wish to continue our heated debate PM me and let the rest get back to coffee shops and positivity!

Nice to see a bit of passion in this thread though.

xxyyzz

I think that in Tralee there are only a certain number of customers to go around. A pub will be the "in place" to go for a while and then people move on to the next thing. When I started going to pubs the mall was the place to be, then Ruairi's and the basket has become very popular in the last few years. I had some great nights in the brogue but more because that's where the crowd went at the time. Looking back it was always a bit of a shabby bar IMHO, very overcrowded and way too bright at its peak and I can't understand what the appeal was. The abbey for all its faults had great character before it was done up. I don't think it's a class thing or even a money thing for that matter that people don't go to the pub anymore. Personally I'm lucky enough to have a decent income at the moment but I've lost all interest in the pub culture in the last few years and the same goes for all my friends. Life's too short to be wasting a whole day of a weekend dying of a hangover. Anyway that's my rambling opinion for what it's worth.

ongarboy

delthedriver wrote: »

Marrying a wealthy lady may be the start of your problems......

Night life in Tralee and indeed most towns is almost nonexistent.

On the contrary I was in Dublin last week to attend a number of meetings. The Financial Services Centre, restaurants , bars, hotels, were reminiscent of the days of the Celtic Tiger. A different world ! Perhaps they know something or else nobody told them the game is over:)

Speaking as someone who has worked in the IFSC for 12+ years, there is no recession in that micro economy. Every single company in the IFSC is hiring. The problem is they need people with funds experience which there aren't enough qualified candidates around despite the unemployment which is why a lot of them are imported from Europe. The salaries in the IFSC are well paid also which is why you see patronage of bars/restaurants looking like sometime out of the Celtic Tiger era. I'd love if an IFSC company opened in Kerry (like Northern Trust in Limerick or State Street in Kilkenny) then I and my partner would move back to Kerry in a flash!

Agreed, I was home at Easter and it was fairly gloomy around town. We actually enjoyed Nightjar just for something a bit different - the crowd seemed a bit older than when it was Ruairis and not as young as Abbey and the music was more chill out funky rather than charty or hip hop trash (it also made a difference to the carbon copy pub singers in Teach Beag, Paddy Macs and Baileys - while I like Chasing Cars, there's only so much I can take of it in one night!!)

traleespud

Carraig95 wrote: »

Firstly with regards to your comments about 'working class', there are undoubtedly many thousands of people who, as you said, are associated with the definition. I personally believe that many people do not like being called 'working class' as you are basically dividing society into classes depending on their employment/financial situation, ie, working class, middle class, upper middle class and upper class. This isn't Britain.

Secondly, your point that 'working class' people are the type of people who usually frequent the Brogue is ridiculous. People from every background and 'class' as you like to put it used to go there. Not everyone is in a dire financial situation like yourself, there are people in town who aren't 'working class' who never went to the Brogue, yet were lamenting its closure as if it was the worst thing ever. My point was, if it was so sad, why didn't they give them their business when the alarm bells started ringing months ago.

Now, rather than bicker here in public on a thread that has generally has a good feel to it, we can agree to disagree. Should you wish to continue our heated debate PM me and let the rest get back to coffee shops and positivity!

Nice to see a bit of passion in this thread though.

Among other things splitting people into social class is a scientific study called Sociology, its a way of life and I don't see why you are so offended??? However it's off topic and as a result you have avoided the main questions posed.

Thankfully not everyone is in financial trouble never suggested they were BUT statistically a huge percentage of young families ARE, many in mortgage arrears and other financial worries ontop.

Sure those who are lucky enough like yourself to have extra cash are going to splash the cash and treat themselves and I'm sure some did in the brogue and are still doing so in other business. But it's the high percentage that simply haven't got the cash are what's effecting the likes of the brogue and other business. People who have the cash are a minority in comparison to those that don't.

YOUR point was, if it was so sad, why didn't they give them their business when the alarm bells started ringing months ago.

I think you may have been the only one to hear these alarm bells months ago??? From what I heard the staff were as shocked as the public at its closure.

Agree to disagree I guess!!

delthedriver

ongarboy wrote: »

Speaking as someone who has worked in the IFSC for 12+ years, there is no recession in that micro economy. Every single company in the IFSC is hiring. The problem is they need people with funds experience which there aren't enough qualified candidates around despite the unemployment which is why a lot of them are imported from Europe. The salaries in the IFSC are well paid also which is why you see patronage of bars/restaurants looking like sometime out of the Celtic Tiger era. I'd love if an IFSC company opened in Kerry (like Northern Trust in Limerick or State Street in Kilkenny) then I and my partner would move back to Kerry in a flash!

Agreed, I was home at Easter and it was fairly gloomy around town. We actually enjoyed Nightjar just for something a bit different - the crowd seemed a bit older than when it was Ruairis and not as young as Abbey and the music was more chill out funky rather than charty or hip hop trash (it also made a difference to the carbon copy pub singers in Teach Beag, Paddy Macs and Baileys - while I like Chasing Cars, there's only so much I can take of it in one night!!)

Agree, the IFSC is something rather exceptional. Good luck to those who are fortunate enough to hold positions there. I merely mentioned Dublin as a comparison with the doom and gloom which is portrayed in other locations. Yes I have enjoyed the hospitality and patronage of the bars etc in the IFSC. The IFSC is one of Ireland's success stories. It would certainly be nice if similar projects could be mirrored at other strategic locations around the country.

Lelantos

The one thing that makes a bar stand out is the individual driving the whole thing forward. It needs a charismatic man or woman to make a sucess of the operation. Too many times when a bar passes thru family members hands, it fails. Harty's, The Greyhound , Kirbys, The Rovers are just some that spring to mind. Just because your father or mother was a success in the trade, doesn't mean you will be too. It's not always down to the economy or people being fickle imo

pookiesboo

And for something completely different, anyone know if there is a place in town to get rid of electrical waste?

counterlock

pookiesboo wrote: »

And for something completely different, anyone know if there is a place in town to get rid of electrical waste?

There was a depot in the Mart last week collecting any appliances, im not sure if it's still there

Ciarrai76

counterlock wrote: »

There was a depot in the Mart last week collecting any appliances, im not sure if it's still there

I think that is only on a couple of times a year. I did drop up stuff a year or two ago one of the times it was held, but I haven't heard of it being on in ages though. Not sure if there is a permanent collection point. You could check with Higgins Waste out by the Kerries and see if they take stuff or they might know where does.

pookiesboo

counterlock wrote: »

There was a depot in the Mart last week collecting any appliances, im not sure if it's still there

I only heard about that afterwards, pity

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

I think that is only on a couple of times a year. I did drop up stuff a year or two ago one of the times it was held, but I haven't heard of it being on in ages though. Not sure if there is a permanent collection point. You could check with Higgins Waste out by the Kerries and see if they take stuff or they might know where does.

Thanks, will get in touch with them!

carchaeologist

counterlock wrote: »

He'll need to pick up a cheap suit and some PVC loafers to fit in with the crowd. Blazer a must. Shirt & tie - optional.

Lol.. Not a hope! I'm not at all the shirt and tie kinda guy! If I had a blazer I might let the dog sleep on it.
For this reasoning i fear my wealthy woman is but a pipe dream....:(

ongarboy

carchaeologist wrote: »

Lol.. Not a hope! I'm not at all the shirt and tie kinda guy! If I had a blazer I might let the dog sleep on it.
For this reasoning i fear my wealthy woman is but a pipe dream....:(

Was in a bar in Cork last Saturday called Long Island on Washington St. Its known for it's cocktails. I was blown away with how well dressed every one was (yes, lots of blazers or even waistcoats on the guys) and the girls all looked like they were extras of Sex in The City. Nobody was OTT, just classy. I felt almost shabby in just a shirt and jeans!! I have to admit, when punters make the effort to dress up (and not just the ladies), it does give off a classy atmosphere (and not pretentious) and a fair few single guys benefited later on in the night from turning out so dapper if you get my drift!! Pipe dreams can become a reality!!!

Btw, anyone into house music should head there when in Cork - the best I've heard in a long time - great DJ on the decks! Definitely heading there again on my next visit to Cork.

geewhizz

Lelantos wrote: »

The one thing that makes a bar stand out is the individual driving the whole thing forward. It needs a charismatic man or woman to make a sucess of the operation. Too many times when a bar passes thru family members hands, it fails. Harty's, The Greyhound , Kirbys, The Rovers are just some that spring to mind. Just because your father or mother was a success in the trade, doesn't mean you will be too. It's not always down to the economy or people being fickle imo

I think some people are suited to the pub game depends on the individual...personally I wouldn't fancy an 80 hr week sand working every weekend but then again ..turners abbey hennessys are prob 3 of the busiest and they were passed on and the sportsfield nd the castle are very much family run by fathers and sons Aidan still runs the hound with his "son" flash

Lelantos

geewhizz wrote: »

I think some people are suited to the pub game depends on the individual...personally I wouldn't fancy an 80 hr week sand working every weekend but then again ..turners abbey hennessys are prob 3 of the busiest and they were passed on and the sportsfield nd the castle are very much family run by fathers and sons Aidan still runs the hound with his "son" flash

But the greyhound was passed onto a family member & didn't work, Aidan is back at the helm there to steady the ship. I believe Gerry is still very hands on in Turners, but have no clue as tothe running of the abbey. Interesting to know who's calling the shots there now, the last few pages of this thread would suggest all isn't well there perhaps?

geewhizz

Jerrys always there in the mornings but mostly Aiden rumours about the abbey have been floating around for ages but probably just hat it's still busy there and it's the sons running it since sandie is looking after her mum since she got knocked down near the low field afaik

Lelantos

geewhizz wrote: »

Jerrys always there in the mornings but mostly Aiden rumours about the abbey have been floating around for ages but probably just hat it's still busy there and it's the sons running it since sandie is looking after her mum since she got knocked down near the low field afaik

I have to admit, I haven't been to the Abbey since I returned to Tralee, so am not up to speed with the goings on, its just that people seem a little peeved on here re the place. The Hennessey brothers do a good job with their bar, they put in the hours & effort & get their rewards, kudos to them both.

Carraig95

ongarboy wrote: »

Was in a bar in Cork last Saturday called Long Island on Washington St. Its known for it's cocktails. I was blown away with how well dressed every one was (yes, lots of blazers or even waistcoats on the guys) and the girls all looked like they were extras of Sex in The City. Nobody was OTT, just classy. I felt almost shabby in just a shirt and jeans!! I have to admit, when punters make the effort to dress up (and not just the ladies), it does give off a classy atmosphere (and not pretentious) and a fair few single guys benefited later on in the night from turning out so dapper if you get my drift!! Pipe dreams can become a reality!!!

Btw, anyone into house music should head there when in Cork - the best I've heard in a long time - great DJ on the decks! Definitely heading there again on my next visit to Cork.

Completely agree. I remember when I moved back to Tralee about a year ago it surprised me how different people dress compared to the cities.

counterlock

Carraig95 wrote: »

Completely agree. I remember when I moved back to Tralee about a year ago it surprised me how different people dress compared to the cities.

I wouldn't say there is a massive difference between Limerick and Tralee, or, at least where I used go in Limerick. Dublin is quite different alright though, hipsters as far as the eye can see and going by how tight those men's pants are, I'm glad I missed that fashion trend.

Lelantos

counterlock wrote: »

I wouldn't say there is a massive difference between Limerick and Tralee, or, at least where I used go in Limerick. Dublin is quite different alright though, hipsters as far as the eye can see and going by how tight those men's pants are, I'm glad I missed that fashion trend.

The "Paul Galvin" effect tis called

GottaGetGatt

You'd be shot and buried if you wore a blazer in this town."Look at this di*khead" would the most common reaction

delthedriver

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

You'd be shot and buried if you wore a blazer in this town."Look at this di*khead" would the most common reaction

Er.... What is wrong with a blazer? I have no problem wearing a blazer.
I think it is sad to see the girls all dolled up on a night out and the guys in jeans and a shirt looking like they have been prevented from carrying on their gardening duties .
Surely a gentleman would make some effort in his attire to compliment his female companion?
The di'khead in my opinion is the oaf who does not know how to dress appropriately!:)