Thom's Directory

googled eyes

Would anybody if any of the research sites carry Thom's directory ?

pinkypinky

Origins has a good selection of Thoms.

shanew

What year and details are you looking for ?

Might be able to do a look-up for you...

The 1852 edition is on Google books, 1850 was but couldn't find recently online

googled eyes

Ah its not that far back.

If possible I'm looking for the residents of 4 Herberton Lane around 1914-1915

In the 1911 census it seems to be a family Brennan. But on a possible marriage record for my great grandparents ( Byrne and Doyle), it looks like the handwritten address is 4 Herberton Lane Dolphins Barn.

Thanks if you can help.

shanew

Have a Thom's 1914 - Herberton Lane, S.C.R., Rialto (Street Index)

unfortunately there's no street listing. Happens if there are no businesses, or just tenements or small cottages.

What's the name and surname ?

Some of the general Crumlin, Co. Dublin listings mention Herberton Lane addresses

L1011

South Dublin County Council has digitised virtually all of them... for their own area only. May be worth poking the Dublin City L&A to see if its on their radar for the city/corporation area (or preferably the entire directory)

googled eyes

Shane: The names would be John Byrne, father William Byrne and Rosanna Doyle, father Christopher Doyle.

MYOB: Forgive my ignorance, Dublin City L&A . Is this Dublin City Libraries?

shanew

There are a number of Doyles and Byrnes in the Crumlin village listing, but none with a Herberton Lane address

what occupations or trade do you have for them ?

Labourers etc are not usually listed, just businesses, shops, certain trades*, slightly better of people, and clergy and gentry (esq. etc)

The names I can find with the address are :

Mrs Lamb, Herberton-lane - listed under S.C.R. Rialto
Mrs. Williams, car owner, Herberton lane - listed under Crumlin village, Co. Dublin

* as a sample, people listed for Crumlin have the following trades/occupations :
Horse dealer, sand contractors, dairy proprietors, auctioneer, carpenter, tobacconist, vintner, physician, school master & mistress, brick & tile Co. manager, victualler, market gardeners, provision dealers, DMP Srgt in charge, farmer, agriculturalist, post mistress, house painter, car owner, dressmakers, a J.P., CofI minister and an RC priest

shanew

I think that Brennan is a visitor or relative. The head of the household is Eamon Ceannt - he's listed on the building return

Wonder if that's the Éamonn Ceannt, or Edward Thomas Kent ?

EDIT: Pretty sure it's the Eamonn Ceannt - his wife's maiden name was Brennan, so that Elizabeth is probably her mother

googled eyes

Unfortunately I come from a line of manual workers on this branch . John, William and Christopher are all down as labourers and Rosanna is a servant.

Maybe I'm reading the handwriting wrong? But I've shown it to my wife and she's fairly sure it says Herberton.

Unless the Rosanna Doyle is actually Boyle and its recorded wrong? Could that be a possibility ?

Thanks alot.

googled eyes

I never actually looked at the household form, just glanced at the national archives page.

Thats mad that I just stumbled across Eamonn Ceannt

L1011

googled eyes wrote: »

MYOB: Forgive my ignorance, Dublin City L&A . Is this Dublin City Libraries?

Yes - Libraries & Archives. They'll have copies of them in Pearse St regardless.

shanew

googled eyes wrote: »

Unfortunately I come from a line of manual workers on this branch . John, William and Christopher are all down as labourers and Rosanna is a servant.

Maybe I'm reading the handwriting wrong? But I've shown it to my wife and she's fairly sure it says Herberton.

Unless the Rosanna Doyle is actually Boyle and its recorded wrong? Could that be a possibility ?
....

The occupations reduce the chance of appearing in directories, especially earlier ones.

There are quite a few Herbert (i.e. without the 'ton') addresses e.g. Avenue, park, road, street etc, wonder if the address referred to one of those ?

Re the Doyle/Boyle question, you could double check the father's surname vs the brides, but would think a B and D would be difficult to mix up. Do you have any birth certs to verify maiden name ?

Or even the names of witnesses - any Doyles there ?

p.s. what parish and church was the marriage ?
Might help confirm the location, as it's usually the bride's parish of residence.

googled eyes

Ok so I'm not sure if this will work but I'm attaching a photograph from my phone of the residence at time of marriage

Also you can see the fathers names.

shanew

^ it worked

address for both the bride and groom looks like 4 Herberton Lane, Dolphins Barn

I think that's a 'D' - so Doyle, the B in Byrne and Barn is quite different

Are there other Ds on the cert to compare to ?
e.g. Dublin in the district...

shanew

Maybe a history of Eamonn Ceant might mention where he lived between 1911 and 1916 ?

Number 4 looks to be a reasonably large house - 5 windows in the front, 10 rooms, and also possibly* 2 outhouses - so could easily have had lodgers.

* actually looks like 11, but I think it's meant to be a ditto mark

googled eyes

Your right. The D in Dolphins has the same shape as the D in Doyle.

Perhaps your correct on them being lodgers?
I know they moved to Whitehall Cottages Crumlin, as that's where my grandfather was raised and Rosanna lived when she died.
One of the witness is Christopher Mulligan? and the other could be Kate Byrne but is hard to read and has a + sign with two words in the middle

shanew

could that '+' be her mark, as in couldn't write so did an X or cross ?

There's often a notation above the 'mark'

googled eyes

Thats it exactly. Its amazing, once you know what to look at the writing makes sense

Thanks Shane.

Now to look for a highly unlikley mention of Ceannt having lodgers