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Eir Fibre Rollout Mapping

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    #3032
    MrLucidLJ
    Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭MrLucidLJ


    rob808 wrote: »
    I don't think anybody on the board could tell you better of asking open eir they might have answer when it finished.

    Are you sure about that lol


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    #3033
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    rob808 wrote: »
    I don't think anybody on the board could tell you better of asking open eir they might have answer when it finished.

    dunno about that Open Eir are very secret and don't really talk to the public about anything in person.


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    #3034
    digiman
    Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭digiman


    How can you tell if your exchange is 70Mb or 100Mb capable for VDSL?


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    #3035
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    digiman wrote: »
    How can you tell if your exchange is 70Mb or 100Mb capable for VDSL?

    Go here, Zoom into your exchange, Tick "All" under select exchange status (on the right) and then hover over the green blob. It'll tell you what your exchange's speed is capable of.


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    #3036
    MiskyBoyy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,798 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    My exchange got bumped up to 100 from 70.
    Im on 40 down 10 up. I'm assuming I can't get any increase from the vectoring?


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    #3037
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    MiskyBoyy wrote: »
    My exchange got bumped up to 100 from 70.
    Im on 40 down 10 up. I'm assuming I can't get any increase from the vectoring?

    Give em a ring or ask on the Talk To forum and see if they can up your profile.


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    #3038
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    Go here, Zoom into your exchange, Tick "All" under select exchange status (on the right) and then hover over the green blob. It'll tell you what your exchange's speed is capable of.

    That only works if there are no cabinets associated with the exchange. If there are cabinets outside of the exchange the green blob will say 100Mb/s even though the exchange itself may be limited to 70Mb/s.

    In this case digiman I don't think there is a way of knowing for sure.


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    #3039
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,556 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Perhaps use the digiweb line speed checker and input the number of a close by premises or businness, did that for my local exchange which is still up to 70.


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    #3040
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Alec Dirty Pun wrote: »
    That only works if there are no cabinets associated with the exchange. If there are cabinets outside of the exchange the green blob will say 100Mb/s even though the exchange itself may be limited to 70Mb/s.

    In this case digiman I don't think there is a way of knowing for sure.

    Ah crap! :( Really? Nuts to that!
    The Cush wrote: »
    Perhaps use the digiweb line speed checker and input the number of a close by premises or businness, did that for my local exchange which is still up to 70.

    Funny story - when I was testing this for my post, I checked with your exchange! :p


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    #3041
    BandMember
    Registered Users Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Just noticed something on the latest map update, it may or may not be a mistake or it may be the situation now that the exchanges have gone live and they've figured out the actual numbers of premises in each area that can actually avail of eFibre. I checked a number of exchanges in my county and the actual numbers of "premises that can now avail of Fibre" have all decreased - some in small numbers (which would be correct as they are small rural areas) but I noticed that one had a reduction of around 300.

    Now, presuming that this is correct, where do those premises stand now? I mean, they are in "a commercial area" which puts them in a non-NBP area (according to the maps) so are they now in limbo while a solution is agreed? Would cases like this affect Eir's commercial roll out or the NBP plan or both?

    Or maybe I'm seeing a problem that isn't there and they automatically go into an NBP area? I'm guessing (and hoping) that this will be the case.


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    #3042
    ED E
    Registered Users Posts: 36,167 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    MiskyBoyy wrote: »
    My exchange got bumped up to 100 from 70.
    Im on 40 down 10 up. I'm assuming I can't get any increase from the vectoring?

    Line stats and we can give ya an idea.


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    #3043
    legocrazy505
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭legocrazy505


    BandMember wrote: »
    Just noticed something on the latest map update, it may or may not be a mistake or it may be the situation now that the exchanges have gone live and they've figured out the actual numbers of premises in each area that can actually avail of eFibre. I checked a number of exchanges in my county and the actual numbers of "premises that can now avail of Fibre" have all decreased - some in small numbers (which would be correct as they are small rural areas) but I noticed that one had a reduction of around 300.

    Now, presuming that this is correct, where do those premises stand now? I mean, they are in "a commercial area" which puts them in a non-NBP area (according to the maps) so are they now in limbo while a solution is agreed? Would cases like this affect Eir's commercial roll out or the NBP plan or both?

    Or maybe I'm seeing a problem that isn't there and they automatically go into an NBP area? I'm guessing (and hoping) that this will be the case.

    Wouldn't presume they will be added automatically, they've said a few times if you are in a blue area and not getting the required service you should contact the department.


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    #3044
    MiskyBoyy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,798 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    ED E wrote: »
    Line stats and we can give ya an idea.

    I'm with Vodafone but using an F2000 so the line atten. upstream is borked, think the rest is accurate.


    DSL synchronization status:
    Up
    Connection status:
    Showtime
    Upstream line rate (kbit/s):
    10395
    Downstream line rate (kbit/s):
    40960
    Maximum upstream rate (kbit/s):
    17125
    Maximum downstream rate (kbit/s):
    53041
    Upstream noise safety coefficient (dB):
    14.8
    Downstream noise safety coefficient (dB):
    13.6
    Upstream interleave depth:
    0
    Downstream interleave depth:
    0
    Line standard:
    VDSL
    Upstream line attenuation (dB):
    37.9
    Downstream line attenuation (dB):
    17
    Upstream output power (dBmV):
    9.2
    Downstream output power (dBmV):
    14.5
    Downstream interleave depth:
    None
    DSL up time: 7 days 2 hours 18 minutes 23 seconds


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    #3045
    ED E
    Registered Users Posts: 36,167 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    50_15 should be fine. Might take, 30 days from enabling for the prequal value to update.


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    #3046
    BandMember
    Registered Users Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭BandMember


    legocrazy505 wrote: »
    Wouldn't presume they will be added automatically, they've said a few times if you are in a blue area and not getting the required service you should contact the department.

    mmm........you see, that's where I see the problem... In a lot of the premises that I know have been removed in my own area, the people there wouldn't be too clued in to the whole NBP process or be in anyway proactive in getting on to the relevant authorities. I think it's fair to say this would be the case in a lot of rural areas where the population would be generally older and not very aware of what the case is. Sure you've got loads of areas throughout the country that are still only covered by 3 thanks to the last disaster of an NBP and where the exchanges are still only dial up. If it's like this in a lot of areas, it could cause delays in a re-drawing of the maps and might not bode well for Eir as they've said that they would be covered in their commerical rollout which then proved not to the case.

    For the record, I would hope that Eir win all the NBP contracts as they've proven what they can do when they put their minds to it and have to meet deadlines (in this case self imposed). SIRO have been a complete failure (so far anyway) IMHO as they don't seem to have got their act together at all and don't really seem to have done anything. You'd question their ability to get the job done fast (or at all) should they win a piece of the pie...


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    #3047
    MiskyBoyy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,798 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    ED E wrote: »
    50_15 should be fine. Might take, 30 days from enabling for the prequal value to update.

    I'll give them a try again, see what happens.

    Just ask them to bump up my profile is it?


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    #3048
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    BandMember wrote: »
    Just noticed something on the latest map update, it may or may not be a mistake or it may be the situation now that the exchanges have gone live and they've figured out the actual numbers of premises in each area that can actually avail of eFibre. I checked a number of exchanges in my county and the actual numbers of "premises that can now avail of Fibre" have all decreased - some in small numbers (which would be correct as they are small rural areas) but I noticed that one had a reduction of around 300.

    Now, presuming that this is correct, where do those premises stand now? I mean, they are in "a commercial area" which puts them in a non-NBP area (according to the maps) so are they now in limbo while a solution is agreed? Would cases like this affect Eir's commercial roll out or the NBP plan or both?

    Or maybe I'm seeing a problem that isn't there and they automatically go into an NBP area? I'm guessing (and hoping) that this will be the case.

    You're correct. It is something I noticed while going through the areas. There seems to be too many exchanges with reduced numbers for it to be a mistake. Bizarrely enough there are a few FTTH numbers that decreased.


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    #3049
    vintagevrs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭vintagevrs


    Is there any way of checking when Eir plan to put ftth in your area. On the site it says winter 16 spring 17 for my area. Currently only get 1mb via dsl. I am considering going with imagine wireless solution in the mean time, but would hate to order imagine only for Eir to put fibre in by a December. .....wishful thinking probably.


    Any way to get a more solid date? As if it's going to be another 18months for me I might order imagine.


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    #3050
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    Is there any way of checking when Eir plan to put ftth in your area. On the site it says winter 16 spring 17 for my area. Currently only get 1mb via dsl. I am considering going with imagine wireless solution in the mean time, but would hate to order imagine only for Eir to put fibre in by a December. .....wishful thinking probably.


    Any way to get a more solid date? As if it's going to be another 18months for me I might order imagine.

    Unfortunately as of now no. The winter 2016 or Winter 2016/Spring 2017 dates are only rough estimates. Most places had earlier estimations and got moved back by several months to what they are now.


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    #3051
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    MiskyBoyy wrote: »
    I'll give them a try again, see what happens.

    Just ask them to bump up my profile is it?

    I hate repeating myself! :rolleyes:


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    #3052
    MiskyBoyy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,798 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    I hate repeating myself! :rolleyes:

    lol cheers. Not quite frowny face :pac:


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    #3053
    AidenL
    Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭AidenL


    BandMember wrote: »
    Just noticed something on the latest map update, it may or may not be a mistake or it may be the situation now that the exchanges have gone live and they've figured out the actual numbers of premises in each area that can actually avail of eFibre. I checked a number of exchanges in my county and the actual numbers of "premises that can now avail of Fibre" have all decreased - some in small numbers (which would be correct as they are small rural areas) but I noticed that one had a reduction of around 300.

    Now, presuming that this is correct, where do those premises stand now? I mean, they are in "a commercial area" which puts them in a non-NBP area (according to the maps) so are they now in limbo while a solution is agreed? Would cases like this affect Eir's commercial roll out or the NBP plan or both?

    Or maybe I'm seeing a problem that isn't there and they automatically go into an NBP area? I'm guessing (and hoping) that this will be the case.

    I am in that limbo myself.

    Contacted the Department of Communications, they replied within a few days and passed my details to , they said, all of the commercial operators.

    Within another few days Openeir contacted me to say my house which should have been covered by commercial operators and was left out of the National Plan, would be in their blue line rollout anyway.


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    #3054
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Can you see the blue line coming near you on the NDP map? I'll be within it but the blue line stops about a k down the road but I can't see it coming from the opposite direction as that's from Dublin and an area served by all the main commercial operators, including Virgin.


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    #3055
    AidenL
    Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭AidenL


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Can you see the blue line coming near you on the NDP map? I'll be within it but the blue line stops about a k down the road but I can't see it coming from the opposite direction as that's from Dublin and an area served by all the main commercial operators, including Virgin.

    Yep, I can see a blue line go past my entrance.


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    #3056
    chewed
    Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭chewed


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    Is there any way of checking when Eir plan to put ftth in your area. On the site it says winter 16 spring 17 for my area. Currently only get 1mb via dsl. I am considering going with imagine wireless solution in the mean time, but would hate to order imagine only for Eir to put fibre in by a December. .....wishful thinking probably.


    Any way to get a more solid date? As if it's going to be another 18months for me I might order imagine.

    I just had Imagine call up to do line of sight tests and was told they couldn't get a signal strong enough! Very p1ssed off now! :mad:


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    #3057
    celticbhoy27
    Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭celticbhoy27


    Possible stupid question alert.... Can you tell from overhead telephone lines if fibre is in your area?? Ive lately seen thicker cables run alongside the thinner ones of old


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    #3058
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    celticbhoy27 wrote: »
    Possible stupid question alert.... Can you tell from overhead telephone lines if fibre is in your area?? Ive lately seen thicker cables run alongside the thinner ones of old

    I direct your attention to this post.


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    #3059
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    I direct your attention to this post.

    It's still very difficult to detect from that photo, there are many wires here that look like that but they are just normal lines and not fiber.


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    #3060
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Gonzo wrote: »
    It's still very difficult to detect from that photo, there are many wires here that look like that but they are just normal lines and not fiber.

    Well that's "Core Fibre", so would not be part of an FTTH deployment. We're not blue lined around here, but I would expect when NBP comes rolling around that new fibre will be strung along those poles to go to people's homes.


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    #3061
    pegasus1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    Well that's "Core Fibre", so would not be part of an FTTH deployment. We're not blue lined around here, but I would expect when NBP comes rolling around that new fibre will be strung along those poles to go to people's homes.
    How do you know its core fibre as such, and My rekoning its the bottom cable that is fibre that is terminating in the finned cylinder, if it was the top cable it was attached to the pole very slap dash for fibre...


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