Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v3.0 (07/04/13 - 08/07/14)

RobertKK

The SF justification of murder is similar to those British army people who were on that BBC program a couple of weeks ago,
All very cold and justified murder.

BlaasForRafa

That little weasel trying to equate the provos with Michael Collins and Padraig Pearse. He's a despicable little s--t but I suppose he's just showing SF's true colours behind all the populist crap they come out with.

BaZmO*

Was Adams not just repeating what was in the report?

BlaasForRafa

Busted Flat. wrote: »

You may not be aware in those days there was a war going on at the time, maybe you did not know that.

The IRA might and their fellow travellers might like to call it a war but it was terrorist acts carried out by criminals not only in the north but against the Irish state as well.

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BlaasForRafa wrote: »

That little weasel trying to equate the provos with Michael Collins and Padraig Pearse. He's a despicable little s--t but I suppose he's just showing SF's true colours behind all the populist crap they come out with.

I don't support the SF guy, but 500 people were killed during the Rising alone.

RobertKK

BaZmO* wrote: »

Was Adams not just repeating what was in the report?

The report said there was a mole in Dundalk Garda station who informed the IRA.

coolhull

If thhe IRA had a duty to murder RUC and British Army,did the same rule not apply to the security forces?

Skid X

I suspect Sinn Fein won't be letting Padraig MacLochlainn near live television again any time soon.

I'm sure many Republicans are applauding his comments, but they will be toxic to many people who might have been considering giving them a vote next time.

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BlaasForRafa wrote: »

That little weasel trying to equate the provos with Michael Collins and Padraig Pearse. He's a despicable little s--t but I suppose he's just showing SF's true colours behind all the populist crap they come out with.

On a not-unrelated note, Mickey Martin having a great week altogether.
First neo-gombeen Keaveney, now this.

Lenin Skynard

This faux-sincere treatment of the RUC as a reputable police force by the Irish media is really puzzling. They were the worst of the lot and consigned to the dustbin of history at the first opportunity.

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The solicitor got so long because he speaks so slow and boringly.

Seamo87

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

That little weasel trying to equate the provos with Michael Collins and Padraig Pearse. He's a despicable little s--t but I suppose he's just showing SF's true colours behind all the populist crap they come out with.

Covering up child abuse and defending murderers, that's what this party represents. All along we figured them to just be spoofers with no feasable economic policies.

Disgusting shower of ......

RobertKK

There was lots of terrorists in NI:
Republicans
Loyalists
certain people in the British army
Certain people in the police force.
Certain people in the intelligence service
Maybe even in the British government given they had direct rule.

catallus

coolhull wrote: »

Adams tries to tell us that the murder of the two RUC men was their own fault, that they were asking for it by not being more safety-conscious. Yeah, they asked to be murdered

Swayed by biased news reports much?

That's not what he was saying at all. He made a number of comments during a long interview and suddenly the news outlets are all over one tiny sentence he uttered, taking him completely out of context.

I'm no shinner, miles from it, but it is a very sad reflection on the media that it portrays such a sensitive and complicated issue with soundbites like this. And it is even a sadder reflection on the level of political debate that the main focus is dictated by editors who are so lazy and cynical that they treat their mandate with such disdain that they are willing to stoop to such a tabloidesque approach to such an important and nuanced subject.

And it makes me sadder still to see the whole political spectrum respond exclusively in the context of that nonsense.

Watching Browne now, he's really changed over the last 15 or so years, maybe being on tv has affected his brain. He seems to be a belligerent curmudgeon at this stage.

Busted Flat.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

The IRA might and their fellow travellers might like to call it a war but it was terrorist acts carried out by criminals not only in the north but against the Irish state as well.

Blinkers.

BaZmO*

RobertKK wrote: »

The report said there was a mole in Dundalk Garda station who informed the IRA.

I'm not sure it did.

coolhull

Busted Flat. wrote: »

You may not be aware in those days there was a war going on at the time, maybe you did not know that.

Thanks for filling me in with that information, Iwouldn't have known if you hadn't told me :rolleyes:

Seamo87

Sinn Feinn in government here? hahahahahahahaha never ever, PD's and The Greens for them.

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The two men they killed were fellow Irishmen?

tayto lover

RobertKK wrote: »

The report said there was a mole in Dundalk Garda station who informed the IRA.

That's the bit i don't get at all.
They had three named garda officers. All were cleared.
Yet Smithwicks said that it was probably a garda mole who tipped off the I.R.A.
That seems lazy and unsubstantiated to me. After 8 years and 12 million euro that's all they could come up with. A probability.
If the laws of probability were relied on there would be no bookies anywhere.

The whole Tribunal stinks in my opinion.
It just provided an income for solicitors and a retired judge.

BlaasForRafa

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Blinkers.

You do seem to be wearing some alright.

Harry Angstrom

Maybe for a little bit of balance, Vinnie might do a show next week about the rampant collusion between the RUC and loyalist paramilitaries.

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God that Nigella stuff does my head in.

Busted Flat.

coolhull wrote: »

Thanks for filling me in with that information, Iwouldn't have known if you hadn't told me :rolleyes:

I am glad I was some help to your education.

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tayto lover wrote: »

That's the bit i don't get at all.
They had three named garda officers. All were cleared.
Yet Smithwicks said that it was probably a garda mole who tipped off the I.R.A.
That seems lazy and unsubstantiated to me. After 8 years and 12 million euro that's all they could come up with. A probability.
If the laws of probability were relied on there would be no bookies anywhere.

The whole Tribunal stinks in my opinion.
It just provided an income for solicitors and a retired judge.

I think if you look closely at the detailed evidence, it points to the fact that the IRA got a tip off about the movements of the two RUC men.

Lenin Skynard

Seamo87 wrote: »

Sinn Feinn in government here? hahahahahahahaha never ever, PD's and The Greens for them.

Sinn Fein went from five TDs to fourteen in the last election. They're on the complete opposite trajectory to the two parties you mentioned.

Busted Flat.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Maybe for a little bit of balance, Vinnie might do a show next week about the rampant collusion between the RUC and loyalist paramilitaries.

Vinney would not have the guts, he never had guts when he was younger.

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John Galt himself.

amacca

take everything wrote: »

God that Nigella stuff does my head in.

not to worry

it would do anyones head in (if they snorted enough of it)

donfers

usually Sinn Fein are quit clever with their PR/spin - they've played this incident poorly however

it won't affect them in the polls however, it will just mean they won't increase popularity as quickly

Padraig stood up well to the barrage of criticism there - they have some very able young politicians

when the mcguinness/adams generation moves on and the more "respectable" non-IRA affiliated ones take over they may very well become the biggest party in Ireland - that could be 10 years down the line however and only if they avoid going into government in the intervening period (which is very likely after recent events as nobody will want to form a coalition with them)

All in all the usual hypocritical detached sneering classes are getting their predictable digs in, and justifiably so with regard to some of their points, but it changes very very little