Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v3.0 (07/04/13 - 08/07/14)

Harry Angstrom

hotmail.com wrote: »

How do you know?

Because corruption exists as much as it ever did - only now it involves the rich black elites and members of the ANC who abused their positions of power to feather their own nests at the expense of the very people they were supposed to be representing.

CorsendonkX

Busted Flat. wrote: »

What exactly did he achieve for his people, the new society in South Africa are the wealthy blacks living it up, and the whites living in their compounds, the police force have not changed, and the people Mandela claimed to represent, nothing has changed for them. Big liberator, think about all the miners that were murdered a few months back. Could you please show me evidence of change that this great hero done.

Many of the poorer White South Africans don't even have homes let alone compounds,

http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2010/03/26/hardship-deepens-for-south-africas-poor-whites/

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Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Because corruption exists as much as it ever did - only now it involves the rich black elites and members of the ANC who abused their positions of power to feather their own nests at the expense of the very people they were supposed to be representing.

Have you got any links?

CorsendonkX

hotmail.com wrote: »

How do you know that?

Because the economy has gone down hill since the ANC took over

http://civitas.org.uk/newblog/2013/06/why-has-the-south-african-economy-underperformed-since-the-end-of-apartheid/

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/27/business/south-africa-since-apartheid/

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CorsendonkX wrote: »

Because the economy has gone down hill since the ANC took over

http://civitas.org.uk/newblog/2013/06/why-has-the-south-african-economy-underperformed-since-the-end-of-apartheid/

The economy isn't the measure for everything. Black people now have equal rights to white people in SA.

Harry Angstrom

hotmail.com wrote: »

The economy isn't the measure for everything. Black people now have equal rights to white people in SA.

What use is equal rights if the majority of them are still living in abject poverty?

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Harry Angstrom wrote: »

What use is equal rights if the majority of them are still living in abject poverty?

These are two very separate issues.

Are you saying that Apartheid was ok?

CorsendonkX

hotmail.com wrote: »

The economy isn't the measure for everything. Black people now have equal rights to white people in SA.

No they don't, a black immigrant in SA is the lowest of the low. As Harry says a black corrupt elite has just replaced the white elite.

Harry Angstrom

hotmail.com wrote: »

These are two very separate issues.

Are you saying that Apartheid was ok?

Don't be so facetious. Of course I'm not saying that apartheid was okay. What I'm saying is that the progression of South Africa (or lack of) since the end of apartheid has been a huge disappointment.

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Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Don't be so facetious. Of course I'm not saying that apartheid was okay. What I'm saying is that the progression of South Africa (or lack of) since the end of apartheid has been a huge disappointment.

That's not the way it's coming across.

RayM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Don't be so facetious. Of course I'm not saying that apartheid was okay. What I'm saying is that the progression of South Africa (or lack of) since the end of apartheid has been a huge disappointment.

To be fair, reading through the overwhelmingly negative comments about Nelson Mandela on this thread, you could be forgiven for thinking that some people here are on the... very... far-right of the political spectrum. I get the impression that, in their attempts to display their anti-left credentials, they don't realise just how obnoxiously right-wing they appear.

I think CorsendonkX sneering remarks about the Dunnes Stores workers, who went on strike in solidarity with the the victims of apartheid, were a particularly cretinous example of someone attempting to appear as oh-so-right-wing as possible.

Harry Angstrom

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's not the way it's coming across.

Coming across to whom?

Harry Angstrom

RayM wrote: »

To be fair, reading through the overwhelmingly negative comments about Nelson Mandela on this thread, you could be forgiven for thinking that some people here are on the... very... far-right of the political spectrum. I get the impression that some people, in their attempts to display their anti-left credentials, don't realise just how obnoxiously right-wing they appear.

I think CorsendonkX sneering remarks about the Dunnes Stores workers, who went on strike in solidarity with the the victims of apartheid, were a particularly cretinous example of someone attempting to appear as oh-so-right-wing as possible.

No Ray, I think Mandela's heart was in the right place. He was a good man. It's the others who have come after him, such as gross incompetents like Tabo Mbeki who are responsible for the current situation in South Africa.

RobertKK

Poor woman, that was terrible what happened her, the bite on her shoulder was bad.

Harry Angstrom

Vinnie launching yet another crusade against the Guards. Pity he doesn't have much to say about the shenanigans at the CRC.

Busted Flat.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Vinnie launching yet another crusade against the Guards. Pity he doesn't have much to say about the shenanigans at the CRC.

You are missing the point, who did he know, or what connections did he have.

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Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Vinnie launching yet another crusade against the Guards. Pity he doesn't have much to say about the shenanigans at the CRC.

A crusade is a bit of a stretch!

Is all your arguments based on whataboutyourery?

Harry Angstrom

hotmail.com wrote: »

A crusade is a bit of a stretch!

Is all your arguments based on whataboutyourery?

Ah it's yourself again :rolleyes:

vicwatson

This country is rotten to the core I'm afraid

Harry Angstrom

Busted Flat. wrote: »

You are missing the point, who did he know, or what connections did he have.

Seems like incompetence.

whiskey_bottle

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Vinnie launching yet another crusade against the Guards. Pity he doesn't have much to say about the shenanigans at the CRC.

so a woman dies due to AGS incompetence and you want no one to raise a whimper about it :rolleyes:

Busted Flat.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Seems like incompetence.

No that doesn't wash. Connections political or other is the reason. Did Kathleen Lynch apologize to the victim in the perverted Lord Mayor case, over her support for the pervert.

Harry Angstrom

whiskey_bottle wrote: »

so a woman dies due to AGS incompetence and you want no one to raise a whimper about it :rolleyes:

Nice first post.

Harry Angstrom

Busted Flat. wrote: »

No that doesn't wash. Connections political or other is the reason. Did Kathleen Lynch apologize to the victim in the perverted Lord Mayor case, over her support for the pervert.

I wouldn't place much store in anything Kathleen Lynch says or does. I have very little respect for her.

whiskey_bottle

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Nice first post.

even nicer glib reply

Harry Angstrom

whiskey_bottle wrote: »

even nicer glib reply

Thanks.

Harry Angstrom

Ah yes, Frank Buttimer. Champion of the innocent.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/buttimer-holds-place-as-bestpaid-legal-aid-lawyer-29025156.html

whiskey_bottle

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Ah yes, Frank Buttimer. Champion of the innocent.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/buttimer-holds-place-as-bestpaid-legal-aid-lawyer-29025156.html

why not address the ball rather than the man

unconditional love for AGS helps no one

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whiskey_bottle wrote: »

why not address the ball rather than the man

unconditional love for AGS helps no one

He's a Garda lover - doesn't like any Garda criticism.

Lapin

Are there no ad breaks tonight ?

Fúck the Guards.