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Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v3.0 (07/04/13 - 08/07/14)

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    #9542
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    As long as they ban jazz music.


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    #9543
    Hitchens
    Registered Users Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    ah, old Stringer Bell :cool:


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    #9544
    Un Croissant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Un Croissant


    paleoperson wrote: »
    No, but what about a microorganism or an imaginary person or someone who doesn't even know them?

    Marriage is an arbitrary invented concept by society and society can arbitrarily determine what the invented concept means. As I say I really don't care one way or the other and don't think it's an important issue.

    Could you get married this minute if you wanted? Some people cant. So its an issue for them.


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    #9545
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    take everything wrote: »
    Moronic Ladbrokes ads.


    FYP :pac:


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    #9546
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Un Croissant wrote: »
    Could you get married this minute if you wanted? Some people cant. So its an issue for them.

    They can marry a person of a different sex, the same rules apply to everyone. That makes it fundamentally different to discrimination against for example women being able to vote.


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    #9547
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You're not the only one kid.
    I don't know a lot about it either.


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    #9548
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    And CUT


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    #9549
    Lucifer MorningStar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Lucifer MorningStar


    The ****ing ads went on longer than the actual show itself.


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    #9550
    Un Croissant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Un Croissant


    paleoperson wrote: »
    They can marry a person of a different sex, the same rules apply to everyone. That makes it fundamentally different to discrimination against for example women being able to vote.

    Why would/should they marry a person of a different sex?


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    #9551
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    A 2 hour programme that could have been squished to 1hr 15mins. Oh TV3 yis are in for some kicking when UTV arrive in town


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    #9552
    Lucifer MorningStar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Lucifer MorningStar


    Love this weatherman :pac:


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    #9553
    coolhull
    Registered Users Posts: 49,731 ✭✭✭✭coolhull


    Well, there's another 2 hours off my life (excluding the ad breaks)


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    #9554
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    paleoperson wrote: »
    They can marry a person of a different sex, the same rules apply to everyone. That makes it fundamentally different to discrimination against for example women being able to vote.

    They can marry, as long as it's to someone they don't love and aren't attracted to.

    That is how they are being discriminated against.


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    #9555
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    RayM wrote: »
    They can marry, as long as it's to someone they don't love and aren't attracted to.

    That is how they are being discriminated against.

    There is no rule saying anything about loving them or not. They can marry a person as long as they're over 18, alive, consent to it and are of the other gender.

    Marriage is just an idea, a story, a fairytale. I didn't make up the rules of it, just stating what they are.


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    #9556
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Lucifer MorningStar wrote: »
    Love this weathermanpresenter :pac:

    FYP, ahem :D


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    #9557
    Un Croissant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Un Croissant


    paleoperson wrote: »
    There is no rule saying anything about loving them or not. They can marry a person as long as they're over 18, alive, consent to it and are of the other gender.

    I know that's why the majority of people marry (just because) but the minority of us want something more from marriage. :S


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    #9558
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    paleoperson wrote: »
    There is no rule saying anything about loving them or not. They can marry a person as long as they're over 18, alive, consent to it and are of the other gender.

    Marriage is just an idea, a story, a fairytale. I didn't make up the rules of it, just stating what they are.

    As a straight person, I am legally allowed to marry a person whom I love and am attracted to (I'm going to assume that my hypothetical wife loves and is attracted to me - she's only human after all). A gay person does not have that right. And there is no logical reason why they shouldn't.


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    #9559
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    One would have to wonder about those young men in particular being so against gay marriage, they were almost bitter and angry about it. The lady protest too much, comes to mind.


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    #9560
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    RayM wrote: »
    As a straight person, I am legally allowed to marry a person whom I love and am attracted to (I'm going to assume that my hypothetical wife loves and is attracted to me - she's only human after all). A gay person does not have that right. And there is no logical reason why they shouldn't.

    the complementarity of men and women isn't a logical reason? :-) I actually have no idea what that means and the anti-gay side spit that out every now and then.


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    #9561
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    the complementarity of men and women isn't a logical reason? :-) I actually have no idea what that means and the anti-gay side spit that out every now and then.

    I think it's men having to compliment women, even if it's a lie. Apparently men complimenting or women complimenting women goes against the natural order of things and will lead to cats marrying dogs, the breakdown of civilisation as we know it and repeats of Fair City on all TV channels around the world 24 hours a day for the rest of eternity.


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    #9562
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Anyone know why the two gay lads were dressed as women?
    What's that all about?


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    #9563
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Anyone know why the two gay lads were dressed as women?
    What's that all about?

    I only saw one, but then I was only watching bits and pieces of the programme. The one I saw was the drag queen named earlier in the thread.

    Ultimately there's any number of reasons why they did it, and only they can say definitively. I suspect it was a political statement, to highlight the diversity of the LGBT community. Also, there's precedent within the LGBT equality movement, with drag queens being at the forefront of movement after the Stonewall riots.


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    #9564
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭golfball37


    RayM wrote: »
    As a straight person, I am legally allowed to marry a person whom I love and am attracted to (I'm going to assume that my hypothetical wife loves and is attracted to me - she's only human after all). A gay person does not have that right. And there is no logical reason why they shouldn't.

    Yes there is. A natural sexual union is between a male and a female.


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    #9565
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Yes there is. A natural sexual union is between a male and a female.

    A sexual union between two males or two females is also natural.


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    #9566
    Hitchens
    Registered Users Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    A sexual union between two males or two females is also natural.
    how's about 1 male and 2 females? ;)








    ...TAXI :P


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    #9567
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭golfball37


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    A sexual union between two males or two females is also natural.


    Is it? Why weren't we all created the same gender then?

    LBGT couples cannot procreate so it is not natural. They can love each other and derive sexual pleasure the same as hetrosexual couples but nothing is going to tell me its natural.


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    #9568
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Is it? Why weren't we all created the same gender then?

    For the same reason we're not all created heterosexual. Life and nature are more complex than you may appreciate.
    golfball37 wrote: »
    LBGT couples cannot procreate so it is not natural. They can love each other and derive sexual pleasure the same as hetrosexual couples but nothing is going to tell me its natural.

    Ability to procreate together isn't a measure of what's natural. Many couples cannot procreate together, eg because of old age, yet they aren't considered unnatural or denied the freedom to marry.


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    #9569
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Is it? Why weren't we all created the same gender then?

    LBGT couples cannot procreate so it is not natural. They can love each other and derive sexual pleasure the same as hetrosexual couples but nothing is going to tell me its natural.

    Right ok - lets revoke the marriage licences of every married couple that never had children because their union was unnatural.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #9570
    coolhull
    Registered Users Posts: 49,731 ✭✭✭✭coolhull


    The question in the referendum, when it comes, will not be about the private sexual lives of couples. Nor should it be. We will be asked if we want to allow grown men and women to make their vows to each other and have it recognised as a marriage. Nobody has yet convinced me that we should not give our approval. Some people will say that it will destroy the institute of marriage. Of course they don't mean it would damage their own marriages, always the marriages of other people.
    And anyway, us married people don't see why gay or lesbian couples shouldn't be just as miserable as the rest of us!


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    #9571
    coolhull
    Registered Users Posts: 49,731 ✭✭✭✭coolhull


    The question in the referendum, when it comes, will not be about the private sexual lives of couples. Nor should it be. We will be asked if we want to allow grown men and women to make their vows to others of the same gender and have it recognised as a marriage. Nobody has yet convinced me that we should not give our approval. Some people will say that it will destroy the institute of marriage. Of course they don't mean it would damage their own marriages, always the marriages of other people.
    And anyway, us married people don't see why gay or lesbian couples shouldn't be just as miserable as the rest of us!


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