Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v3.0 (07/04/13 - 08/07/14)

coolhull

vicwatson wrote: »

Delighted to see her brought to her knees

No, that's not on the menu. The best you can hope for is a lapdance!

tommyboy2222

RayM wrote: »

We need both. Political parties need to be 'encouraged' to run an equal number of men and women in elections (local and general).

I disagree. We need the best candidates put forward for election.

RayM

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

I disagree. We need the best candidates put forward for election.

If 50% of the population are female, it seems somewhat anomalous that 85% of our elected representatives are male. I cannot understand why people think that's an acceptable situation.

SuperInfinity

RayM wrote: »

We need both. Political parties need to be 'encouraged' to run an equal number of men and women in elections (local and general).

I can't understand this viewpoint. Becoming a politician is supposed to run on a very simple process: if you think you'd be good at it and it would suit you: run for it. If not, then don't. I don't think there should be favouritism given towards a particular group in this process or any process. It seems like your typical problem-reaction-solution response, when if there are some problems with certain groups getting to be represented then it's the whole system that needs altering. Otherwise are black people going to say: "hey we're not represented like we should be" in the future, homosexual people, and so on. It doesn't make sense to me.

Lady Chatterton

Miriam O'Callaghan will be trying to get Lucinda on the show on Saturday I'd say.

coolhull

Sometimes I think Lucy hasn't thought this thing through properly

hotmail.com

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I can't understand this viewpoint. Becoming a politician is supposed to run on a very simple process: if you think you'd be good at it and it would suit you: run for it. If not, then don't. I don't think there should be favouritism given towards a particular group in this process or any process. It seems like your typical problem-reaction-solution response, when if there are some problems with certain groups getting to be represented then it's the whole system that needs altering. Otherwise are black people going to say: "hey we're not represented like we should be" in the future, homosexual people, and so on. It doesn't make sense to me.

Men haven't done a great job ruling the world so far have they?

grey_so_what

MrsD007 wrote: »

Miriam O'Callaghan will be trying to the get Lucinda on the show on Saturday I'd say.

Ah no............We need a break from Lulu at this stage now MrsD..........

Genuinely....

lertsnim

RayM wrote: »

We need both. Political parties need to be 'encouraged' to run an equal number of men and women in elections (local and general).

Rubbish. We need the best candidates regardless of sex.

Harry Angstrom

MrsD007 wrote: »

Miriam O'Callaghan will be trying to get Lucinda on the show on Saturday I'd say.

I'd say Marian will be trying to get her as well.

Lisha

coolhull wrote: »

Sometimes I think Lucy hasn't thought this thing through properly

Really she said she could not vote for bill and she stood by that .
It's a pity I do think its FGs loss

grey_so_what

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'd say Marian will be trying to get her as well.

Lulu should lock herself in the loo with the amount of wimmen after her at this stage!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

vicwatson

VB getting paid by the half hour now !!

TV3 why can't you set up a simple link? The same last night, contributors at the Dail couldn't hear the studio, pathetic, there are people orbiting the earth above us and they cannot even get this right ! Sigh

RayM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I can't understand this viewpoint.

Do you think it's acceptable that while 50% of the population is female, 85% of elected representatives are male?

coolhull

Lisha wrote: »

Really she said she could not vote for bill and she stood by that .
It's a pity I do think its FGs loss

Oh absolutely. I admire her for sticking to her guns. Most men in the Dail wouldn't.
I meant she needs to review her convictions on this legislation, weak as it is.

SuperInfinity

hotmail.com wrote: »

Men haven't done a great job ruling the world so far have they?

Women get about the same results when they're given power. Anyway that's a ludicrous point, I hope you aren't serious.

Lady Chatterton

RayM wrote: »

Do you think it's acceptable that while 50% of the population is female, 85% of elected representatives are male?

I hope Lucinda doesn't leave politics like Olwyn Enright did.

grey_so_what

Isn't that Donal a useless git in the ads???......

I still don't even know what the ad is for!!.........

SuperInfinity

RayM wrote: »

Do you think it's acceptable that while 50% of the population is female, 85% of elected representatives are male?

That's how our current political system works for all traits anyone may have, not just whether they have a penis or a pair of boobs.

RayM

lertsnim wrote: »

Rubbish. We need the best candidates regardless of sex.

Unless you believe that the majority of the best candidates are male, it makes no sense to dismiss my post as rubbish. Can we not have both equality and the best candidates?

Or are you implying that men are inherently better suited to politics?

grey_so_what

That was a bit of a cheap shot at Mary regarding the drink.

Vincent is not short of having a tipple himself............

coolhull

RayM wrote: »

Do you think it's acceptable that while 50% of the population is female, 85% of elected representatives are male?

Then you have to convince that 50 percent to vote for women candidates. That isn't happening, even on something as stupid as 'Britain's Got Talent'.

lertsnim

RayM wrote: »

Unless you believe that the majority of the best candidates are male, it makes no sense to dismiss my post as rubbish. Can we not have both equality and the best candidates?

Or are you implying that men are inherently better suited to politics?

No I never suggested that. What I am saying is the replacement of male TD's with female TD's just to fill a quota is madness. Let the public decide if a candidate is right for them, not somebodies sex. What's next after the male/female quota is met? There's not enough black TD's, muslims, jewish?

SuperInfinity

RayM wrote: »

Unless you believe that the majority of the best candidates are male, it makes no sense to dismiss my post as rubbish. Can we not have both equality and the best candidates?

Or are you implying that men are inherently better suited to politics?

Maybe they are, do you claim they're not? The theory is the best people who also want to do it go forward and get elected.

tommyboy2222

RayM wrote: »

If 50% of the population are female, it seems somewhat anomalous that 85% of our elected representatives are male. I cannot understand why people think that's an acceptable situation.

Surely if more men put themselves forward for election, there is a greater chance that men will make up a greater % of the elected representatives ?

Lady Chatterton

RayM wrote: »

Unless you believe that the majority of the best candidates are male, it makes no sense to dismiss my post as rubbish. Can we not have both equality and the best candidates?

Or are you implying that men are inherently better suited to politics?

I think that it's genuinely difficult for a woman with young children (living outside Dublin) to succeed in politics. The travel, unsociable hours, constituency clinics etc don't make it a family friendly occupation, so I reckon that turns off most women.

grey_so_what

MrsD007 wrote: »

I think that it's genuinely difficult for a woman with young children (living outside Dublin) to succeed in politics. The travel, unsociable hours, constituency clinics etc don't make it a family friendly occupation for most women.

Too true MrsD......

Parochial politics in this country have no time for the "Mammy" wearing the trousers.........

Regardless of what Mary Robinson said, they do generally "rock the cradle"...unfortunately..........

Many's the good woman has left politics for that reason.

coolhull

MrsD007 wrote: »

I think that it's genuinely difficult for a woman with young children (living outside Dublin) to succeed in politics. The travel, unsociable hours, constituency clinics etc don't make it a family friendly occupation, so I reckon that turns off most women.

And drinking half-price pints at 5 in the morning would not necessarily suit all women anyway.
Though I know a few..... (never mind!)

RayM

lertsnim wrote: »

No I never suggested that. What I am saying is the replacement of male TD's with female TD's just to fill a quota is madness. Let the public decide if a candidate is right for them, not somebodies sex. What's next after the male/female quota is met? There's not enough black TD's, muslims, jewish?

Your argument is silly. The public would still be deciding which candidate is right for them. Even if half the candidates were female, the electorate could still - should it wish to - elect an 85% male Dáil.

SuperInfinity wrote:

Maybe they are, do you claim they're not? The theory is the best people who also want to do it go forward and get elected.

I've seen nothing to suggest that either gender is better suited to politics. I've also seen absolutely nothing to suggest that the best people get selected by their parties.

hotmail.com

Oh the bill passed by the way. Minor step on the way to full equality for women.