Cyclists on a Backroad

michael.dublin · 02-10-2013 03:50PM

can someone that only drives a car (mostly the people that gives out about taxes), please answer this question.
If someone have a car and a cycle, they pay whatever tax over the car, would they be allowed on the road on the cycle ?

humbert · 02-10-2013 03:50PM

Ashbx wrote: »

Im not looking for an argument so im not going to reply to you anymore.

As requested....http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Pedestrians-and-Cyclists/Cycling-safety/

Make sure you keep to the left.

Is absolutely not the same as:

Ashbx wrote:

RSA DOES say you have to stay as far to the left as you can

And as I said, that isn't a law. But I assume it was in anticipation of that response that you made it clear that you weren't going to reply.

Surveyor11 · 02-10-2013 03:52PM

We've become so car dependent that other road users are seen at this stage as an inconvenience to motorists. Cyclists have every right to use the road and should behave with common courtesy when doing so, not different than any other road user. When I'm out cycling in a group, we'll generally be 2 abreast - this is more for safety than anything. On Sunday last, on a narrow road, we 'singled up' and a car passed - flashed his indicators in appreciation. That worked.

When I'm on my own, I will cycle defensively. Part of my commuter is on the Strawberry Beds. Last week, a van almost crushed me between the side of the van and a road barrier. I had not cycled defensively. Nearly paid dearly for that. I was hoping that 'tortoise thing' on my head didn't have to be used in anger. And before anyone asks, I ride with 2 x 70 lumen lights (i.e. very bright!) on the back, as well as a hi-vis jacket and ruck sack cover. You'd be legally blind not to see me.

Also, this notion of 'cyclists causing accident' seems to be creeping into common culture. People in cars will quite happily pass me on blind corners, into oncoming traffic and will also barge past me when given the chance. Again, I will cycle defensively to prevent this. I will clip along at 35km/hr on my commute, so a few seconds between me and the next traffic jam is not going to hurt. Ramming me into the ditche however will.

Surveyor11 · 02-10-2013 03:53PM

michael.dublin wrote: »

can someone that only drives a car (mostly the people that gives out about taxes), please answer this question.
If someone have a car and a cycle, they pay whatever tax over the car, would they be allowed on the road on the cycle ?

Using a bike on the road doesn't require payment of any motor taxes, if that's what you're asking?

Ashbx · 02-10-2013 03:54PM

humbert wrote: »

Is absolutely not the same as:

And as I said, that isn't a law. But I assume it was in anticipation of that response that you made it clear that you weren't going to reply.

No I didnt want to reply because you called me a "tad unhinged" and I thought that was bang out of order when im just trying to voice my opinion!!!

hardCopy · 02-10-2013 04:01PM

Surveyor11 wrote: »

Using a bike on the road doesn't require payment of any motor taxes, if that's what you're asking?

I think that's directed at the frequent nonsense spouted by some people that cyclists shouldn't use the road because they don't pay road motor tax. When in reality, many many cyclists already pay motor tax.

I think motorists who cycle should get a rebate on their motor tax for cycling. This would be just about impossible to implement though.

michael.dublin · 02-10-2013 04:09PM

Surveyor11 wrote: »

Using a bike on the road doesn't require payment of any motor taxes, if that's what you're asking?

most of the argument i see here is, i use a car, i pay for the car, and i pay for using the road. So what i am asking is this: would people that drive only a car, think that that payment for the car, cover the use of a cycle on the road. as all the argument is "we pay for using the road, and you don't"
i know Using a bike on the road doesn't require payment of any motor taxes. just looks like you should only be allowed to use the road if you pay, according to some motorist .
If we take it one step further, would about putting tax on people that walk on the road (you use it) or someone that push a buggy, they also use the road...

michael.dublin · 02-10-2013 04:11PM

hardCopy you are 100% right, that was what i was trying to say. you just had the right words. Thanks :-)

tin79 · 02-10-2013 04:12PM

strobe wrote: »

Jesus... 57 pages of this... you kidding me?

Look the cyclists pick a gladiator and the motorists pick a gladiator and then the winner of that fight gets to keep the roads, like in the good old days.

Roman style or the pussy type with padded mats and lycra?

Surveyor11 · 02-10-2013 04:16PM

michael.dublin wrote: »

most of the argument i see here is, i use a car, i pay for the car, and i pay for using the road. So what i am asking is this: would people that drive only a car, think that that payment for the car, cover the use of a cycle on the road. as all the argument is "we pay for using the road, and you don't"
i know Using a bike on the road doesn't require payment of any motor taxes. just looks like you should only be allowed to use the road if you pay, according to some motorist .
If we take it one step further, would about putting tax on people that walk on the road (you use it) or someone that push a buggy, they also use the road...

Everyone that pays tax (not motor tax) pays for the road- the tax is collected by central government and issued to the local authorities in grant form. As I said previously, we have some of the highest taxes related to motoring, so our roads should be top class. Which they are not.

furiousox · 02-10-2013 04:18PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

Maximus Alexander · 02-10-2013 04:29PM

Surveyor11 wrote: »

Everyone that pays tax (not motor tax) pays for the road- the tax is collected by central government and issued to the local authorities in grant form. As I said previously, we have some of the highest taxes related to motoring, so our roads should be top class. Which they are not.

Have you driven abroad at all? There are some awful roads here, but there are also some very good ones. Having driven in some, admittedly larger, other countries I have come to think that on the whole Irish roads aren't too bad.

I found France and the UK to be fairly similar, Italy to be pretty poor and Australia to be abysmal, though I would give Australia a pass because of its scale.

hardCopy · 02-10-2013 04:33PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Have you driven abroad at all? There are some awful roads here, but there are also some very good ones. Having driven in some, admittedly larger, other countries I have come to think that on the whole Irish roads aren't too bad.

I found France and the UK to be fairly similar, Italy to be pretty poor and Australia to be abysmal, though I would give Australia a pass because of its scale.

Italy can be an absolute nightmare to cycle in, which is quite disappointing for the home of the Giro.

Maximus Alexander · 02-10-2013 04:36PM

hardCopy wrote: »

Italy can be an absolute nightmare to cycle in, which is quite disappointing for the home of the Giro.

I noticed in Sicily that nobody seems to cycle, though given the way the driver over there it's not that surprising. It would be a death sentence.

RainyDay · 02-10-2013 10:47PM

Ashbx wrote: »

Im not looking for an argument so im not going to reply to you anymore.

As requested....http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Pedestrians-and-Cyclists/Cycling-safety/

The RSA also say more recently, in one of their 'safe cycling' videos released this year "Stay well out from the kerb. You are as entitled to the space you need to cycle safely as any other road user."

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