Maggie Thatcher dead - Mega merge thread

summerskin

Nodin wrote: »

No, I was referring to you and your "innocent soldiers".

So what exactly do soldiers in Gib have to do with the IRA getting NI back?

Or the killing of children in Warrington? Or pub bombings of civilians in Birmingham and Guildford?

celtictiger32

long overdue- good riddance

nbar12

All I know about Maggie is that I wasn't allowed to mention her name while I was up in Belfast.

I drunkenly said she was a legend and I deservedly got a lovely black eye

Anynama141

Seachmall wrote: »

Technically you shouldn't be killing unarmed people, combatants or not.

They were not in uniform. Technically they could be shot as spies. I hope that they were going to check whether all those that they were going to blow up were armed combatants. And adults.

War is hell.

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

Her politics might not have been to my liking but i did wonder what the likes of Thatcher would make of the likes to the criminal and dissident republican gangs who seem to be now ruling cities in Ireland and what measures she would take to weed them out because in fairness id say she would come down on them like an absolute ton of bricks.

You don't live in a city, do you?

Nodin

summerskin wrote: »

So what exactly do soldiers in Gib have to do with the IRA getting NI back?
.....

O, I'm sorry. I didn't realise those soldiers weren't in the British army.

jimjamcos

Funeral arrangements....

Anynama141

Nodin wrote: »

The fact that something had to be done and that certain industries had to be dealt with is beyond dispute. However there were more solutions possible than Thatchers.

Such as...

Seachmall

Anynama141 wrote: »

They were not in uniform. Technically they could be shot as spies.

Pretty sure that's not true.

War is hell.

Are you now condoning the bombings?

Nodin

Anynama141 wrote: »

Such as...

Phased closure and retraining like they did in France.

P.Walnuts

Frankie Boyle on fire on twitter

summerskin

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Frankie Boyle on fire on twitter

shame about the "on twitter" part

Anynama141

Seachmall wrote: »

Pretty sure that's not true.

I'm pretty sure it is. Check out the Geneva and Hague Conventions.

Seachmall wrote: »

Are you now condoning the bombings?

Hey, I'm opposed to all war. But the Shinners/IRA were in favour of the war, so why don't they condone the shootings of the spies?

You can't say that no-warning bombs are ok because it's war and then say that shootings of spies are wrong at the same time, can you?

handlemaster

Nodin wrote: »

Why? Wouldn't be more humane to beg the Americans to nuke us?

i dont see any point here.

Nodin

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Frankie Boyle on fire on twitter

"Finally I get to wear my black suit and tap shoes together"

Three Seasons

I don't know too much about Thatcher but after reading about her on wiki she seems like a smart woman who implemented a lot of sound economic policies.

What are people's major gripe with her?

Excuse my ignorance as I only just read about her.

.jacksparrow.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Her politics might not have been to my liking but i did wonder what the likes of Thatcher would make of the likes to the criminal and dissident republican gangs who seem to be now ruling cities in Ireland and what measures she would take to weed them out because in fairness id say she would come down on them like an absolute ton of bricks.

Though in that case many might argue that the cure would be worse then the disease and that she abused her power during her tenure in Downing Street.

I think its the case that drugs gangs have a hold on cities across the country,striking fear into people with murders,whilst ruining communities with their poison.

All the while with little or no repercussions.

Anynama141

Nodin wrote: »

Phased closure and retraining like they did in France.

And you think the unions would have gone along with that? They were a bit militant you know.

mccarthy37

The Iron Lady is dead.
Rust in peace

Latchy

wonderfullife wrote: »

again, if the above were fact and not myth, she got re-elected to PM twice and served 3 terms. If a large % of the country hated her, that would not have happened (regardless of weak opposition parties).

Thatcher loved the world stage but the large % of people of the north west and north east of England who saw their factory's and industry close and saw their livelihoods disappear overnight won't weep for her .

Nodin

Three Seasons wrote: »

I don't know too much about Thatcher but after reading about her on wiki she seems like a smart woman who implemented a lot of sound economic policies.

What are people's major gripe with her?

Excuse my ignorance as I only just read about her.

You're taking the piss. Propping up Apartheid, the anti-gay laws, taking sanctions off pinochet, cheer leader for Reagan

ACE10

Margaret thatcher will not be cremated she is not for burning.

Anynama141

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I think its the case that drugs gangs have a hold on cities across the country,striking fear into people with murders,whilst ruining communities with their poison.

All the while with little or no repercussions.

To be fair, the Real IRA do try to discourage them with economic incentives, taxing their income.

Nodin

Anynama141 wrote: »

And you think the unions would have gone along with that? They were a bit militant you know.

If its possible to ram through a shutdown with little thought to the medium and long term, why isn't it possible to ram through a phased closure that would at least have the support of some or most of the workforce?

P.Walnuts

summerskin wrote: »

shame about the "on twitter" part

Commiserations for having no sense of humour.

.jacksparrow.

Anynama141 wrote: »

To be fair, the Real IRA do try to discourage them with economic incentives, taxing their income.

I'm not talkin about the rira,I'm talkin about drug gangs.

nice_very

she can go and fcuking rot, b1tch.

Leftist

most of the people who think this is good news have no idea why. She was less right wing than most western governments are today.

The Iron Angel.

dodderangler

Wet myself reading this

Have to say, it really is a terrible shame that Margaret Thatcher died in her home this morning.

Instead of in a Brighton Hotel 30 years ago.

Anynama141

Nodin wrote: »

If its possible to ram through a shutdown with little thought to the medium and long term, why isn't it possible to ram through a phased closure that would at least have the support of some or most of the workforce?

Presumably if they thought it was possible, they would have tried it. Unless you think she just did evil for the sake of it, I suppose. I suspect both of us would have to do rather a lot of reading to argue this on any sort of firm foundation.

summerskin

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Commiserations for having no sense of humour.

Boyle stopped being funny about 5 years ago. he's nothing more than a parody of himself now. Outrageous for the sake of it, rehashing jokes others have been making for years.

Three Seasons

Nodin wrote: »

You're taking the piss. Propping up Apartheid, the anti-gay laws, taking sanctions off pinochet, cheer leader for Reagan

I didn't read any of that. Must do so and proceed to give my opinion.

Nodin

Anynama141 wrote: »

Presumably if they thought it was possible, they would have tried it. Unless you think she just did evil for the sake of it, I suppose.........

She didn't believe it was the states job to soften the blow. If you read a few quotes, you'll get the notion fairly quickly.

murpho999

I heard she's only arrived in hell and already shut down 4 furnaces!

HondaSami

RIP to a great woman, always admired her. Her policies might be questionable sometimes but she did a lot for women in politics.

buck65

I would have a certain sympathy for her as a leader. Things were ****ed up in Britain and Ireland at the time.

Anynama141

Plug wrote: »

Thatchers been in Hell for 25 minutes and already shut 3 furnaces.

murpho999 wrote: »

I heard she's only arrived in hell and already shut down 4 furnaces!

It looks like she's slowing down.

true

Nodin wrote: »

If its possible to ram through a shutdown with little thought to the medium and long term, why isn't it possible to ram through a phased closure that would at least have the support of some or most of the workforce?

You obviously were not alive then or living in England. Most of the "old" industries have all dissapeared in the western world, especially with low cost imports from countries where people work for much less the unions would allow here. Like it or not, thats the way of the world. I bet most of the clothes you are wearing / consumer goods in your house etc were all made in low cost countries like China etc.

Did you check the emigration statistics from Ireland to England during the 3 terms she was in power? No ? Though you would not. Hundreds of thousands of Irish got good jobs in England : that fact escapes you. She treated them better than the government here treated them. Close to the bone and an uncomfortable truth, is it for you?

GoodisonPark

Hell will spit her back out any minute now.

mccarthy37

true wrote: »

You obviously were not alive then or living in England. Most of the "old" industries have all dissapeared in the western world, especially with low cost imports from countries where people work for much less the unions would allow here. Like it or not, thats the way of the world. I bet most of the clothes you are wearing / consumer goods in your house etc were all made in low cost countries like China etc.

Did you check the emigration statistics from Ireland to England during the 3 terms she was in power? No ? Though you would not. Hundreds of thousands of Irish got good jobs in England : that fact escapes you. She treated them better than the government here treated them. Close to the bone and an uncomfortable truth, is it for you?

I know of ten Irish men she didn't treat very well.

Seachmall

Anynama141 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it is. Check out the Geneva and Hague Conventions.

I have.

A spy is defined as an intelligence operative, not an armed combatant, and is still subject to article 4 (Prisoner of War).

Article 29 -- "A person can only be considered a spy when, acting clandestinely or on false pretences, he obtains or endeavours to obtain information in the zone of operations of a belligerent with the intention of communicating it to the hostile party."

The definition of a spy given in this Article remains completely valid since the Geneva Convention contains no similar provision. However, a spy is also a protected person in so far as he conforms to the definition given in Article 4 of the Fourth Convention. Under Article 5 of the Convention, the spy may nevertheless be deprived temporarily of certain rights, particularly the right of communication.

Article 30 -- "A spy taken in the act shall not be punished without previous trial."

The Convention contains several provisions in this respect which extend the principle and make it precise. Thus Article 3 prohibits "the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples".
Article 3 , although it applies only to armed conflicts not of an international character, contains rules of absolutely general application. The prohibition mentioned is, moreover, confirmed by Article 5 and Articles 64 -76.
[p.617] It should also be noted that paragraph 2 of Article 68 authorizes the Occupying Power under certain conditions to inflict the death penalty on protected persons found guilty of espionage.

- Source

I think you've been watching too many movies.

Hey, I'm opposed to all war. But the Shinners/IRA were in favour of the war, so why don't they condone the shootings of the spies?

How would I know?

You can't say that no-warning bombs are ok because it's war and then say that shootings of spies are wrong at the same time, can you?

I'm not saying that, but you seem to be saying "bombings are bad, executions are ok".

Either it's a war and both are acceptable or it's not and neither are.

Nodin

true wrote: »

You obviously were not alive then?

Me? No. Born yesterday.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83937327&postcount=576

true wrote: »

Did you check the emigration statistics from Ireland to England during the 3 terms she was in power? No ? Though you would not. Hundreds of thousands of Irish got good jobs in England : that fact escapes you. She treated them better than the government here treated them. Close to the bone and an uncomfortable truth, is it for you?

Thats the lad, keep sayin it.

Garzard

The Iron Lady is no more!

Anynama141

mccarthy37 wrote: »

I know of ten Irish men she didn't treat very well.

Was this her, or was it particular British police forces and some of the judiciary?

true

mccarthy37 wrote: »

I know of ten Irish men she didn't treat very well.

She offered them free food and they did not take it. Thats democracy for you. Rather her in power elected by tens of millions rather than those 10 murderers.

jimjamcos

HondaSami wrote: »

RIP to a great woman, always admired her. Her policies might be questionable sometimes but she did a lot for women in politics.

As in she was one?

She hardly did too much to enhance the status of women in politics once she got the chance to enforce change, now did she?

kunst nugget

Its her grandsons Harry and William I feel sorry for but still, they must be proud of all the oscars she won.

fishy fishy

look, the out b**h is dead - thats the end of her

and let's look at the positives in all this - her grave will never need watering. :D:D

guttenberg

Anyone else stumped what the b**h curse word above is?:pac:

wonderfullife

Nodin wrote: »

Me? No. Born yesterday.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83937327&postcount=576



Thats the lad, keep sayin it.

To be fair, the UK was on its knees in the late 70s and an exporter of talent and people. The 'brain drain'. Teenagers in the late 70s in the UK were quite similar to teenagers in Ireland in days gone by (and even nowadays) - with most of them thinking where else can i go to make a good life for myself.

By hook or by crook, she turned that around to the extent the UK were keeping their talent by the mid 90s and actually attracting talent to the country to work. That's quite a big turnaround. And it certainly was not going to be achieved by Ted Heath and the old boys club doing the same old, same old.