Maggie Thatcher dead - Mega merge thread

thecommietommy

Nodin wrote: »

Bit odd she lifted arms sanctions on Pinochet then, isn't it?

I suppose the UDR fan club has a great deal of cross membership with Thatchers.

Martina Anderson will be having a good chuckle in Brussells as the Tories cry their hearts out

Anynama141

thecommietommy wrote: »

Snatcher invovled Sir Garret in the Anglo Irish Agreement to give it the " Irish dimension " appearence. The whole point of the Anglo Irish Agreement was to try and stop the rise of Sinn Fein (which the Brits didn't deny at the time). Sir Garret didn't win anything, all he did was dot the i's and cross the t's. As the saying went at the time, if Thatcher sneezed Sir Garret would apologise and clean it up for her.

So why did they make this huge concession of allowing a foreign country have a say in the governance of part of the UK? Thatcher was suddenly concerned with appearances? :pac:

Your 'analysis' doesn't really stand up, does it?

Fratton Fred

conorhal wrote: »

She did, to a certain extent.

Thatcherism was largely the product of union intransigence though. People forget the state of the UK was in by the late 70's, black-outs, brown-outs, mountains of rubbish piling up in the streets, a three day week instituted because everything was breaking down and rampant inflation everywhere while the Labor government, in the thrawl of the unions seemed powerless to prevent the spreading chaos as is buried it's head in the sand. Thatcherism was the inevitable consequence of all this, the left in many ways brought her on themselves, something the left would do well to remember today...

People very quickly forget the likes of Arthur Scargill and Derek Hatton,

true

wonderfullife wrote: »

This was a democratically elected leader with a mandate serving the interests of her nation as she saw fit. Her mandate was not to tip-toe around Argentina, Ireland and anyone else she pissed off. She may have been a divisive figure in her own country but it's worth remembering she was re-elected twice and served 3 terms as Prime Minister.

On an Irish level if we can welcome the Queen to Dublin, given there is no higher representation of Britishness, then surely the vitriol and hate towards Maggie is of another age.

We've moved on. This woman has now moved on. Surely anybody harbouring resentment can best show that by indifference to her passing. She's dead, may she rest in peace.

+1. In the 1980's whole classes of Irish school leavers emigrated to England to work , to her economy, when there was flip all here. A great woman. If only people had listened to her about Europe we would not be in this mess.

And she was proved right on the IRA in the end, just like she was proved right on communism. .

FTA69

summerskin wrote: »

Right to buy only served to reduce the number of social housing available to those in genuine need of it, those who could never afford to buy. Definitely not something to celebrate.

Not to mention the fact the son of the minister who presided over the policy, Ian Gow, now owns scores of these flats and is renting them out for an absolute fortune. He owns forty flats in one estate alone. It is estimated that a third of these council houses are now owned by super-rich buy-to-let landlords and are often managed tax-free via holding companies based in the Cayman Islands etc. Meanwhile there are millions on the housing list and the price of rent has gone through the roof in places like London.

The council housing scheme has resulted in the concentration of public assets in the form of housing into private hands and ordinary people have lost out as a result. In short, the policy resulted in the rich vulture-picking over public housing and making a fortune.

It should be a source of shame, not pride.

Iwasfrozen

Seachmall wrote: »

Ridiculous.

Decent human beings treat people with the respect they feel they deserve.

Only a hypocrite would change their position because that person has died. Their past remains the same.

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Says who?

The idea of a rigid culture which is "ours", with which we must comply or clear off is also distinctly Thatcherite.

Dead or not, I think she was a cnut of magnificent proportions.

summerskin wrote: »

nonsense. a bástard in life is still a bástard in death.

death does not give you forgiveness.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. But just to say my opinion of each of you, and those who thanked your post as human beings has dropped dramatically.

summerskin

leahyl wrote: »

A touching tribute from Gerry Adams:

"Working class communities were devastated in Britain because of her policies.

Yes Gerry, particularly in places like Warrington and Manchester, remember those?

wonderfullife

summerskin wrote: »

Respect the dead? I do. I respect the miners, steelworkers and mill workers that lost their livelihoods and in many cases their lives(the rise in suicides in northern england and the welsh valleys was huge) as a result of her London-centric economic policies.

I grew up in Thatcher's England, in the north west. I saw first hand what she did to my home town and surrounding areas.

I will be taking the day off work tomorrow, as i have always said i would. Not to rejoice in her death, but to mourn for those who were destroyed by her.

So you hate the woman partly because she destroyed the livelihoods of genuine, hard-working people in the northwest who, as a result of her policies, had no job to get up to in the morning?

And you're lucky enough to have a job in a recession yourself and you're going to take the day off because an old, sick woman passed away?

The irony is amazing but let me just suggest that the miners, steelworkers and mill workers you speak of would drag their ass out of bed and go to work tomorrow regardless of who has died.

thecommietommy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You obviously missed the Honda, Nissan and Toyota car plants then.

Johnny Foreigner having to come and show the Brits how it's done.

not yet

She signed the death warrant for Sean Savage, Mariead Farrell and Danny mcCann in 1988 Gibraltar.....

So Mrs Thatcher rot in hell.

Morag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZj5cY18yFk

Seachmall

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Fair enough Seachmall. Seems reasonable but it does allow even for this level of cruelty/stupidity:

It would be cruel to tell her that if she were alive and if it were undeserved.

Whether or not it is deserved is a personal opinion but I think it accurately represents a large portion of those who were affected by her politics.

Jimmy Iovine

pmcmahon wrote: »

I wonder if we'll have a minutes applause in the manchester derby tonight.

Potentially not.

Rob Harris ‏@RobHarris
Premier League won't be asking clubs to hold minute's silence for #Thatcher at matches

TeddyTedson

Good night sweet princess.

Cody Pomeray

I seem to remember the BBC carrying reports that Downing Street had already formed the opinion that Thatcher be given a state funeral.

Seems that will not happen, and instead she will have a public ceremonial funeral.

It's almost the same thing, but doesn't require a potentially embarrassing vote in Parliament (embarrassing mainly for her family, should Labour refuse to support it).

Nodin

true wrote: »

+1. In the 1980's whole classes of Irish school leavers emigrated to England to work , to her economy, when there was flip all here. A great woman. If only people had listened to her about Europe we would not be in this mess.

And she was proved right on the IRA in the end, just like she was proved right on communism. .

She was proved right on SFA. Repeating the same thing over and over - as you've a tendency to do - will not have the effect of some spell and make it true.

summerskin

thecommietommy wrote: »

Martina Anderson will be having a good chuckle in Brussells as the Tories cry their hearts out

having a good chuckle because a stroke 30 years later managed to accomplish something she and her blood-stained, child-killing cronies could not do?

sounds a great woman....

Gatling

not yet wrote: »

She signed the death warrant for Sean Savage, Mariead Farrell and Danny mcCann in 1988 Gibraltar.....

So fact they chose there death sentence.

They were fecking terrorist's and got exactly what they deserved

true

awec wrote: »

I'm sure the irony here is lost on nobody, plenty of communities in Britain were devastated by IRA bombs. Like her or not, disagree with her policies or not, but Gerry Adams making such a statement is laughable.

+1. I know plenty of working class people who stood up to Gerry Adams , and who emigrated to England in the 1980's and who got work there and were treated fairly and well there. Shame on Gerry Adams, but then again what do you expect from a pig but a grunt?

summerskin

thecommietommy wrote: »

Johnny Foreigner having to come and show the Brits how it's done.

just like the entire irish economy then....

who the fug

Muilleann wrote: »

History will remember her for phrases such as "There is no society" (she was very wrong in saying that) but it will also remember her for being a conviction politician and there are not too many of them around anymore.

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Read the whole thing and she is right

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."


What is the difference between that and Kennedys Ask not what your country can do for you

Anynama141

not yet wrote: »

She signed the death warrant for Sean Savage, Mariead Farrell and Danny mcCann in 1988 Gibraltar.....

So Mrs Thatcher rot in hell.

Let me get this straight once and for all: Are you not allowed to kill enemy soldiers in a war??

I don't hear you bleating about the British soldiers that the IRA killed.

Pilotdude5

She accomplished a great feat in uniting the Irish and British working class.

In mutual hatred of her.

Azure_sky

She's talking to other dictators, such as Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler right about now I'd reckon.

fishy fishy

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Emm, yes it does. Decent human beings do not speak ill of the dead. There is a reason that taboo is passed into our culture.

it doesn't - how ridiculous, and hypocritical.

Latchy

Many quotes to sum her up but one that sticks out is

'' She wrecked a large % of the country to make a small % happy '' .

She ruined a lot of industry ,put thousands out of work was only to happy to accept the original official report on the Hillsborough tragedy and described as cold and lacking in empathy .

Meryl Streep portrayed her very well in The Iron Lady .

http://www.imdb.co.uk/title/tt1007029/

Iwasfrozen

Azure_sky wrote: »

She's talking to other dictators, such as Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler right about now I'd reckon.

Why would they be in heaven?

awec

Latchy wrote: »

Many quotes to sum her up but one that sticks out is

'' She wrecked a large % of the country to make a small % happy '' .

She ruined a lot of industry ,put thousands out of work was only to happy to accept the original official report on the Hillsborough tragedy and described as cold and lacking in empathy .

Meryl Streep portrayed her very well in The Iron Lady .

http://www.imdb.co.uk/title/tt1007029/

Except this is a myth.

Nodin

true wrote: »

+1. I know plenty of working class people who stood up to Gerry Adams , and who emigrated to England in the 1980's and who got work there and were treated fairly and well there.?

Does the magic work when you've typed it out the thousandth time?

true wrote: »

Shame on Gerry Adams, but then again what do you expect from a pig but a grunt?

Coming from a UDR fanboy, I find this somewhat amusing.

123balltv

Not gonna shed a tear Maggie made a lot of people cry
bitch

Old_-_School

I was raised with the morals that you should only say good things about the dead so on that note:

Maggie Thatcher is dead. Good.

Royal82

“It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother, Baroness Thatcher, died peacefully following a stroke this morning"

So I wasnt the only only hoping that it was a long horrible death......

The world is a better place without the auld boot anyway

La_Gordy

I wish I were in Scotland the now. Jelly and ice-cream, Bucky and eccies, Glasgow will give her the send off she deserves.

gallag

not yet wrote: »

She signed the death warrant for Sean Savage, Mariead Farrell and Danny mcCann in 1988 Gibraltar.....

So Mrs Thatcher rot in hell.

Why were those people in Gibraltar?

thecommietommy

Anynama141 wrote: »

So why did they make this huge concession of allowing a foreign country have a say in the governance of part of the UK? Thatcher was suddenly concerned with appearances? :pac:

Your 'analysis' doesn't really stand up, does it?

I was a young man at the time and can remember it well but doubtless you'll go on trying to kid yourself that Thatcher and the Brit govt had a benevolent streak when it cames to nationalist Ireland. The expediency of trying to defeat the IRA and it's political wing Sinn Fein was the driving force, not the supposed silver tongue of Sir Garret who was only a useful idiot for the British.

Nodin

awec wrote: »

Except this is a myth.

Yep, the way a vast amount of the wealth of Britain is concentrated in the services industry in the South East is an illusion.

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

Why were those people in Gibraltar?

The Brits? They grabbed it years ago.

summerskin

wonderfullife wrote: »

So you hate the woman partly because she destroyed the livelihoods of genuine, hard-working people in the northwest who, as a result of her policies, had no job to get up to in the morning?

And you're lucky enough to have a job in a recession yourself and you're going to take the day off because an old, sick woman passed away?

The irony is amazing but let me just suggest that the miners, steelworkers and mill workers you speak of would drag their ass out of bed and go to work tomorrow regardless of who has died.

First off, there's no luck in it. I'm good at my job and never struggle for work.

I will be taking a day of paid leave, which i am entitled to. I will be one of thousands of English men and women doing the same thing. I will be remembering my neighbour who left two young children as he couldn't bear the thought of not being able to support them. I will remember my best friend's mother who had a heart attack after being laid off because of Thatcherite policy.

What does it have to do with you?

Anynama141

thecommietommy wrote: »

I was a young man at the time and can remember it well but doubtless you'll go on trying to kid yourself that Thatcher and the Brit govt had a benevolent streak when it cames to nationalist Ireland. The expediency of trying to defeat the IRA and it's political wing Sinn Fein was the driving force, not the supposed silver tongue of Sir Garret who was only a useful idiot for the British.

Um...so why did they make concessions to the Fitzgerald government again? You aren't making any sense.

Oscorp

Gatling wrote: »

They were fecking terrorist's and got exactly what they deserved

So was Nelson Mandela according to Thatcher's Tories

fishy fishy

true wrote: »

+1. I know plenty of working class people who stood up to Gerry Adams , and who emigrated to England in the 1980's and who got work there and were treated fairly and well there. Shame on Gerry Adams, but then again what do you expect from a pig but a grunt?

ahhhh it must be awful to live with such bitterness inside you. :D

Anynama141

Nodin wrote: »

Yep, the way a vast amount of the wealth of Britain is concentrated in the services industry in the South East is an illusion.

The wealth of almost every country is concentrated in the services industry. Welcome the 21st century.

I Heart Internet

Seachmall wrote: »

It would be cruel to tell her that if she were alive and if it were undeserved.

Whether or not it is deserved is a personal opinion but I think it accurately represents a large portion of those who were affected by her politics.

No one, alive or dead, deserves to have someone wish that their grave be used as a toilet.

To be cool and dispassionate about the rights and wrongs of that in terms of her deserving/not deserving it is wrong.

not yet

Gatling wrote: »

They were fecking terrorist's and got exactly what they deserved

Well in millions of peoples eyes they were freedom fighters, either way they were shot like dogs on the street, they were unarmed and had their hands up.

thecommietommy

Gatling wrote: »

They were fecking terrorist's and got exactly what they deserved

That's what I say about SAS corporals Howe and Wood at the funeral a few days later

Anynama141

Nodin wrote: »

The Brits? They grabbed it years ago.

From the poor colonised Spanish...:pac:

Nodin

Anynama141 wrote: »

The wealth of almost every country is concentrated in the services industry. Welcome the 21st century.

Financial services. "the city".

Seachmall

I Heart Internet wrote: »

No one, alive or dead, deserves to have someone wish that their grave be used as a toilet.

Lets be realistic here; there are plenty of people, dead and alive, that deserve a lot worse.

guttenberg

Margaret Thatcher, Britain's first female PM, dead at 87. A spokesperson has said she will also go down in history as the first person to have the 21 gun salute aimed at the coffin.

not yet

gallag wrote: »

Why were those people in Gibraltar?

To blow up an army base..

Hope that clears that up for ya.