Liveline thread 09/04/2013 to 19/7/2013

JonathanAnon

Speak in English woman..

signostic

TheVman wrote: »

mad story from china. thay also have baby milk powder that kills the babbies. And a one child per family legislation.....

Thought they had scrapped the one child per couple policy, as they had villages full of males and no females.

Tisserand

I know people will start having reservations now about creches, but how does any parent know that if they leave their child with 'somebody they know' that the same stuff isn't happening. Serious question. The toddler can't tell.

Sittingpretty

the_monkey wrote: »

Absolutely, I do too, but saying they are a gift from God is arrogant and selfish.

How's that arrogant and selfish?

Yakuza

signostic wrote: »

Thought they had scrapped the one child per couple policy, as they had villages full of males and no females.

AFAIK, if you're wealthy enough, you can have as many as you can support (no suprise there, different rules for the wealthy - good old Capitalist China)

Also, AFAIK, if your first child is a daughter, you can have another (in some rural regions), but if you're living in an urban setting, one is all you get.

TheVman

completely lost with this girl.... what is she talking about...

the_monkey

Yakuza wrote: »

If I'd been trying for years, or on a waiting list for adoption, or after spending thousands on IVF, I might look on a child in such a fashion. Why what *he* thinks of *his* child warrants such a disparaging post from you escapes me.

Because its disrespectfull to anyone who has lost a child or who can't have kids - what makes him so special ???

Rock Lesnar

the_monkey wrote: »

Because its disrespectfull to anyone who has lost a child or who can't have kids - what makes him so special ???

Because he's his son. Your point is quite baffling to be honest

Sittingpretty

the_monkey wrote: »

Because its disrespectfull to anyone who has lost a child or who can't have kids - what makes him so special ???

I'm baffled by your logic. To each their own I suppose.

goose2005

Yakuza wrote: »

AFAIK, if you're wealthy enough, you can have as many as you can support (no suprise there, different rules for the wealthy - good old Capitalist China)

Also, AFAIK, if your first child is a daughter, you can have another (in some rural regions), but if you're living in an urban setting, one is all you get.

At the moment it only applies to about a third of Chinese people

yop

the_monkey wrote: »

Because its disrespectfull to anyone who has lost a child or who can't have kids - what makes him so special ???

How do you know that he hasn't lost a child, spent years doing IVF and/or adoption?

Yakuza

the_monkey wrote: »

Because its disrespectfull to anyone who has lost a child or who can't have kids - what makes him so special ???

I really find how you can twist the positive and loving thing he said about his own child into something negative quite bizzarre.

I doubt that even someone who had lost a child would bedgruge another parent expressing love for theirs.

syklops

Tisserand wrote: »

I know people will start having reservations now about creches, but how does any parent know that if they leave their child with 'somebody they know' that the same stuff isn't happening. Serious question. The toddler can't tell.

I suppose if you leave your child with a person, you get a feel for the person when you interview them for the job, you see how your child is with them when you bring them to their care in the morning, and you see how they are with them when you come and collect them. With a creche, the nice smiley manager is not necessarily the same person who is looking after your child.

JonathanAnon

This wan is a bit over the top isnt she..

TheVman

syklops wrote: »

I suppose if you leave your child with a person, you get a feel for the person when you interview them for the job, you see how your child is with them when you bring them to their care in the morning, and you see how they are with them when you come and collect them. With a creche, the nice smiley manager is not necessarily the same person who is looking after your child.

the fundamental difference between a nanny and a creche. Agreed.

Tisserand

syklops wrote: »

I suppose if you leave your child with a person, you get a feel for the person when you interview them for the job, you see how your child is with them when you bring them to their care in the morning, and you see how they are with them when you come and collect them. With a creche, the nice smiley manager is not necessarily the same person who is looking after your child.

I take your point, however, I believe that many grandparents in particular are not as tolerant and as "p.c." (if I can use that dreaded phrase) as the parents of these days are. When I was a toddler, I was put in a playpen, as were my siblings. I know if my parents were alive, and were minding their grandchildren, they wouldn't have the patience for small children, not because they are older but because even when they were parents, they weren't as tuned in as to how important a child's formative years are. I still over hear grandparents expressing exhasperation when witnessing an unruly todler and the word 'clatter across the behind' being a familiar expression.

Harry Angstrom

I hope those abusive "child minders" who were featured in last night's programme are prosecuted for assault and child abuse, although seeing as this is Ireland, I wouldn't be banking on it.

IvyTheTerrible

Tisserand wrote: »

I take your point, however, I believe that many grandparents in particular are not as tolerant and as "p.c." (if I can use that dreaded phrase) as the parents of these days are. When I was a toddler, I was put in a playpen, as were my siblings. I know if my parents were alive, and were minding their grandchildren, they wouldn't have the patience for small children, not because they are older but because even when they were parents, they weren't as tuned in as to how important a child's formative years are. I still over hear grandparents expressing exhasperation when witnessing an unruly todler and the word 'clatter across the behind' being a familiar expression.

What's wrong with a playpen? I put my son (15 months) in a playpen.

/waits to appear on a Primetime expose/

Rock Lesnar

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I hope those abusive "child minders" who were featured in last night's programme are prosecuted for assault and child abuse, although seeing as this is Ireland, I wouldn't be banking on it.

I was just going to ask the same thing, does anybody know if they can be publically named

joe316

Tisserand wrote: »

I take your point, however, I believe that many grandparents in particular are not as tolerant and as "p.c." (if I can use that dreaded phrase) as the parents of these days are. When I was a toddler, I was put in a playpen, as were my siblings. I know if my parents were alive, and were minding their grandchildren, they wouldn't have the patience for small children, not because they are older but because even when they were parents, they weren't as tuned in as to how important a child's formative years are. I still over hear grandparents expressing exhasperation when witnessing an unruly todler and the word 'clatter across the behind' being a familiar expression.

I take your point but if my mother told me how to raise my baby id tell her where to go, and when she minds him she takes my advice and approach how to mind him and not go on her experience of raising 4 kids and a wheelchair bound husband with MS.

Tisserand

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

What's wrong with a playpen? I put my son (15 months) in a playpen.

/waits to appear on a Primetime expose/

Don't have children myself - honestly thought they didn't exist any more.

syklops

Tisserand wrote: »

I take your point, however, I believe that many grandparents in particular are not as tolerant and as "p.c." (if I can use that dreaded phrase) as the parents of these days are. When I was a toddler, I was put in a playpen, as were my siblings. I know if my parents were alive, and were minding their grandchildren, they wouldn't have the patience for small children, not because they are older but because even when they were parents, they weren't as tuned in as to how important a child's formative years are. I still over hear grandparents expressing exhasperation when witnessing an unruly todler and the word 'clatter across the behind' being a familiar expression.

Well I trust my mother or father to do what is in the best interests of my theoretical child. If I didn't then I wouldn't leave them in their care. Same for anyone else.

IvyTheTerrible

joe316 wrote: »

I take your point but if my mother told me how to raise my baby id tell her where to go, and when she minds him she takes my advice and approach how to mind him and not go on her experience of raising 4 kids and a wheelchair bound husband with MS.

You're lucky though that she listens to you. My MIL says "Oh mammy doesn't like xy and z, but I'll do it my way when I'm minding you, won't I, BabyIvy?"

Rock Lesnar

She SKY PLUSSED IT :eek:.

I hope she doesnt complain now that she has no money

IvyTheTerrible

Tisserand wrote: »

Don't have children myself - honestly thought they didn't exist any more.

So if you had a child that can crawl...where do you put them when you need to have pee? Or a shower?

(Don't worry, these are things I never thought of before I had a kid myself!)

europa11

"Boss of Little Harvard on Line two Joe"

Lady Chatterton

The PR machine is kicking in :rolleyes:

Rock Lesnar

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

You're lucky though that she listens to you. My MIL says "Oh mammy doesn't like xy and z, but I'll do it my way when I'm minding you, won't I, BabyIvy?"

Lovely name, Mrs Terrible

joe316

Whats the betting this one has the manager about to scream into her face if doesnt big it up enough.

syklops

10 mins to go. That show flew today. Doesn't automatically mean it was a good show.