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RTE & the property tax

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    #332
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    darkhorse wrote: »
    Right, I want you to PM me with the names of the OAPs that were scammed with Ben Gilroys knowledge and approvel, along with all documented evidence, and I will take it to the Gardai myself, thus relinquishing you of all responsibility. Is that fair enough?

    Riiiiight... that's how this sort of thing works, yes?

    If I can't tell you the names of everyone he's scammed then NO ONE has been scammed. That's what you think you've proven.

    Is all debt an illusion?

    If I told you that I could sell you the secret to never paying you bank debt, using secret freeman knowledge, would that be true?

    If I went to your house, or business, and told you that I could stop the banks from repossessing it, and then, I didn't. And not just once, but to multiple people, would that be honest? If I promoted myself (with of the help of the freeman, which I bragged about on my website) and then went on national radio and tele, and said I had no idea why people associated me with the Freeman, would that be honest?

    If I told people that they could post a freeman sign on my door, and that that would stop, "licence inspectors, Sheriffs, debt collectors, and other such undesirables" from entering your land, would that be true?

    Can Ben's sign stop the cops from coming onto your land?

    The list is literally endless.

    But sure, keep on trying to defend him. Keep on pretending he's an honest guy. You're fooling no one at this point, probably not even yourself.


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    #333
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Deleted User wrote: »
    darkhorse wrote: »

    ANSWER THE QUESTION. Remember, Ve haf vays of making you talk!

    I wish I could make him talk.

    The last time he did this he pretended to not understand the question for about an hour, then he pretended I claimed I was a psychic, to try and undermine me, and disappeared off the thread.

    He's edited his asinine insult out of that last quote (and screwed up the tags in the process) to try and look like a somewhat reasonable person... but he's not.


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    #334
    Augmerson
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    According to RTE about 5,000 turned out for the march yesterday. I take this from a report on their website.


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    #335
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They're keeping the Red flag flying!
    They are not flags, they are "red cards", we had to explain the significance of these to a few women yesterday.
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    BTW SF would do well to listen to this from BBC Radio Ulster this morning to see that all is not well in paradise with their own property tax.
    So we are not the only ones not happy with a property tax.

    FG and labour would do well to listen to their electorate.
    Augmerson wrote: »
    According to RTE about 5,000 turned out for the march yesterday. I take this from a report on their website.

    RTE were quoting 5,000 +, I would say that + was about 3,000, not a bad turn out on a miserable day, and considering we are not a nation given to demonstrations.


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    #336
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    They did a great job of burning the EU Flag....didnt they??:pac::pac::pac::D


    Yer woman on the microphone sounds like Joan Burton....maybe shes defected allready,without telling Mr Gilmore.:pac::D




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    #337
    Phoebas
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    Slick50 wrote: »
    RTE were quoting 5,000 +, I would say that + was about 3,000, not a bad turn out on a miserable day, and considering we are not a nation given to demonstrations.
    The RTE figure came from the Gardai.
    It was a very small turnout and illustrates an acceptance of the property tax.

    I notice that SF TDs are going to pay their property tax bills now and only 7 TDs (Independents) are saying they are going to hold out.


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    #338
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    paddy147 wrote: »
    They did a great job of bruning the EU Flag....didnt they??:pac::pac::pac::D
    Totally uncalled-for IMO, wouldn't be the proudest moment of the day, even if they could manage it.
    Phoebas wrote: »
    The RTE figure came from the Gardai.
    It was a very small turnout and illustrates an acceptance of the property tax.

    I notice that SF TDs are going to pay their property tax bills now and only 7 TDs (Independents) are saying they are going to hold out.
    Nothing new about figures being played down by the "authorities". During the second last march, the official figures were all over the place, jumping from 8k to 15k to 20k, and back again to 10k. The pictures speak for themselves, see all the front pages this morning.


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    #339
    paddy147
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    Slick50 wrote: »
    Totally uncalled-for IMO, wouldn't be the proudest moment of the day, even if they could manage it.


    I know..........a bit of turps or petrol and she would have gone up in flames with no problem......:pac::D:D


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    #340
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Phoebas wrote: »
    The RTE figure came from the Gardai.
    It was a very small turnout and illustrates an acceptance of the property tax.

    I notice that SF TDs are going to pay their property tax bills now and only 7 TDs (Independents) are saying they are going to hold out.

    small turnout does not mean acceptance of the tax. however thinking that is exactly whats going to lose a lot of seats in the next election.

    i would urge those 7 TDs to join SF and pay the tax if it is necessary for them to get a tcc, they can change the law when they get FG/lab back from the trough.
    leave the protesting to the voters...


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    #341
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    i would urge those 7 TDs to join SF
    SF could certainly do with the boost following their recent decline.


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    #342
    Banjo String
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    BTW SF would do well to listen to this from BBC Radio Ulster this morning to see that all is not well in paradise with their own property tax


    Tell me more about this property tax SF have?


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    #343
    Banjo String
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    SF could certainly do with the boost following their recent decline.

    When that decline reaches the same depths of a party currently in govt, they should really start worrying.

    Who actually is the biggest party in the state these days anyway?


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    #344
    paddy147
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    Ah sure when another TD or 2 leaves Labour and Labour implodes,then things will be grand.

    They will pull out of goverment,the goverment will fall and then the LPT and WT wont be brought in.

    Evryones a winner so.:pac::D


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    #345
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Ah sure when another TD or 2 leaves Labour and Labour implodes,then things will be grand.

    They will pull out of goverment,the goverment will fall and then the LPT and WT wont be brought in.

    Evryones a winner so.:pac::D
    What cinema is showing this fantasy tale?


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    #346
    DoesNotCompute
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    SamHall wrote: »
    Tell me more about this property tax SF have?

    This is the one he's on about, presumably.

    Sinn Fein have no problem with a tax on people's homes up North. It's only when they cross the border that their ideology changes.


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    #347
    Banjo String
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    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    This is the one he's on about, presumably.

    Sinn Fein have no problem with a tax on people's homes up North. It's only when they cross the border that their ideology changes.

    From your link.
    In Northern Ireland, rates are a property tax based on the capital, or market value of homes.Rates of non-domestic properties, such as businesses and offices, are based on the rental value of your property. 

    The income from this tax contributes towards the cost of providing local government services, such as leisure services and bin collections, and central government services, such as education and health.

    Seems like a good deal to me.


    What is included with the one we are meant to be getting?

    Bin emptied for free again is it?
    No more a&e charges, and free gp visits?
    Book fees now abolished, and school transport and dinners provided?

    Lastly, to claim its an 'SF tax' is a bit of a fib is it not?


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    #348
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    It's still a tax on a family home, which SF are ideologically opposed to (only in the Republic, though). If they are so opposed to it down here, why not up there? Does that not seem hypocritical to you?


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    #349
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    SamHall wrote: »
    Tell me more about this property tax SF have?

    If they get into power they have a 1% wealth tax lined up which will raise €800 million a year. Yes I thought it was mad as well why dump a simple and by 2017 well established property tax and then go through this rigmarole. But they have it all worked out and no bother getting the Revenue Commissioners to make sure no-one can escape. Mind you it's not as draconian as their property tax in the North where you can be made bankrupt or have your house seized for non-payment.

    You will see that there is an element of property tax included so they are not completely against taxing the family home here. The property tax they impose in the North is based on the value of the family home. It only pays for a small part of the cost of local services leaving family home owners having to pay for the majority of the rest through other taxes.

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2012/WealthTaxDocument.pdf


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    #350
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    It's still a tax on a family home, which SF are ideologically opposed to (only in the Republic, though). If they are so opposed to it down here, why not up there? Does that not seem hypocritical to you?
    No more so than declaring something is morally wrong, unjust and unfair, and then introducing that same thing at the first opportunity you get. It was also FG's idea to abolish property taxes in the first place, lying to the electorate that they would do so if they were elected.. Or, addressing the nation, and re-assuring them that "It's not your fault", before heading off to Brussels to tell them "sure we all went mad".

    I'd rather the hypocrite that won't charge me rent to stay in my own home.


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    #351
    [Deleted User]
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    Isn't the bould Marylou 'minded' to pay it?


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    #352
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Isn't the bould Marylou 'minded' to pay it?
    She says she will be paying it. All SF TDs say they are going to pay it.
    They are 'conviction' politicians, but their convictions don't go as far as to risk not getting a tax clearance cert and risk being suspended from the Dail.

    They're happy to let the ordinary people face the consequences of non payment, but not themselves.


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    #353
    Dempo1
    Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks RTE are being one-sided in payment of this cursed PT? Mary Wilson, bless Her she sounded nice and fresh after her easter break, had a woman on the programme this evening talking as if everyone is paying this tax. Is everyone? I know I'm not, as I haven't got the money for one thing. But am I in the minority here?

    Or are RTE trying to satisfy their paymasters by being one-sided with what they broadcast? I have yet to hear a programme where they pit a pro against an anti in a discussion on RTE radio ( which I listen to almost all the time).

    PS: I will post a link for that interview mentioned above when they put it up on the net - I think they only put the podcasts up 24 hours after the broadcast.

    Kinda funny some the responses on here, gosh I recall being lambasted for daring to question the ability of revenue to collect this tax. Let's take a snap shot of a very small rural community I live in. First neighbors partner receives the letter, only its sent to her home town three counties away, O and its jointly owned with her partner who despite trying can not add his name. Next neighbors get the letters sent to a parents house, no mention of the actual house they own. Next neighbors son's, daughters (some only 19) god bless them getting onto the property ladder so young. Finally there is humble me, despite my house being 250 years old, paper work from my purchase coming out of my add etc, it appears my humble abode has been devoured by a sink hole. Went on line to see if I could register, requiring a property number & pin, I had no hope. Not a letter, carrier pidgeon,telegram etc to notify me. So god bless the revenue, seems this is going to be yet another FG/LAB debacle but wait, how could one consider for a moment revenue could not handle such a simple challenge?

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #354
    [Deleted User]
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    @Dempo 1 - out of curiosity, did you pay the Household Charge? If so, you should be able to register and pay online.


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    #355
    dxhound2005
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    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Kinda funny some the responses on here, gosh I recall being lambasted for daring to question the ability of revenue to collect this tax. Let's take a snap shot of a very small rural community I live in. First neighbors partner receives the letter, only its sent to her home town three counties away, O and its jointly owned with her partner who despite trying can not add his name. Next neighbors get the letters sent to a parents house, no mention of the actual house they own. Next neighbors son's, daughters (some only 19) god bless them getting onto the property ladder so young. Finally there is humble me, despite my house being 250 years old, paper work from my purchase coming out of my add etc, it appears my humble abode has been devoured by a sink hole. Went on line to see if I could register, requiring a property number & pin, I had no hope. Not a letter, carrier pidgeon,telegram etc to notify me. So god bless the revenue, seems this is going to be yet another FG/LAB debacle but wait, how could one consider for a moment revenue could not handle such a simple challenge?

    Small well knit community where everyone (or you anyway) knows everyone elses business.


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    #356
    bgrizzley
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    whatever about SF its good to see the Revenue workers showing some support for the Antiproperty tax campaigners. Phil wont like that...


    "It was an effective demonstration," Mr Ó Cadhla said. "And while Revenue staff didn’t join us outside, they did express solidarity with us and several stood inside the lobby and observed."



    http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/0411/world/anti-property-tax-campaigners-set-to-run-candidates-in-local-elections-228016.html


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    #357
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    whatever about SF its good to see the Revenue workers showing some support for the Antiproperty tax campaigners. Phil wont like that...


    "It was an effective demonstration," Mr Ó Cadhla said. "And while Revenue staff didn’t join us outside, they did express solidarity with us and several stood inside the lobby and observed."



    http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/0411/world/anti-property-tax-campaigners-set-to-run-candidates-in-local-elections-228016.html

    I looked up the first two names in the report. One of them is connected with something called CPPC which I never heard of and the other one is Cork Socialist Workers Party. I have no doubt if I looked at the others they will be Eirigi or some such. None of these have had any electoral success in the past and they are not representing anyone. Where is the mainstream opposition to the LPT from actual owners of family homes not far left elements who don't believe in the concept of private property?

    http://www.cppc.ie/


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    #358
    bgrizzley
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I looked up the first two names in the report. One of them is connected with something called CPPC which I never heard of and the other one is Cork Socialist Workers Party. I have no doubt if I looked at the others they will be Eirigi or some such. None of these have had any electoral success in the past and they are not representing anyone. Where is the mainstream opposition to the LPT from actual owners of family homes not far left elements who don't believe in the concept of private property?

    http://www.cppc.ie/

    tbh, i dont really care who they are, they seem to be on the side of the homeowner, which is more than i can say for our elected "representatives"(i use the word loosely).

    what is important is that those tasked with the collection of the tax are showing solidarity with the protesters. another nail in its coffin.


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    #359
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Where is the mainstream opposition to the LPT from actual owners of family homes not far left elements who don't believe in the concept of private property?
    Hello!


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    #360
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    tbh, i dont really care who they are, they seem to be on the side of the homeowner, which is more than i can say for our elected "representatives"(i use the word loosely).

    what is important is that those tasked with the collection of the tax are showing solidarity with the protesters. another nail in its coffin.

    tbh they don't really care about homeowners, they would seize all private property for the state if they had the chance. Is there any evidence that Revenue staff are not sending out letters or processing registrations and payments?


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    #361
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Slick50 wrote: »
    Hello!



    lol, snap. i was just looking for the picture...


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