Tblisi Cup. June 2013. "Emerging Ireland"

sydthebeat

http://www.irb.com/newsmedia/mediazone/pressrelease/newsid=2066239.html


Ireland set to send an "Emerging Ireland" team to compete in this new cup for second tier nations.

IRB Chairman Bernard Lapasset said: "This exciting addition of the IRB Tbilisi Cup to the international match schedule is great news for Georgia and Uruguay, who are both striving for Rugby World Cup 2015 qualification.”

“The addition of Emerging Ireland and the South Africa President's XV ensures a high-calibre competition that will deliver compelling matches, while also fulfilling the high performance needs of our Unions.”

“Georgians love Rugby and I am sure the event will be a huge success for the popularity and profile of Georgian Rugby, the participating Unions and the development of the Game worldwide.”

durkadurka

What sort of player would be an emerging Ireland player?

thomond2006

durkadurka wrote: »

What sort of player would be an emerging Ireland player?

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sydthebeat

durkadurka wrote: »

What sort of player would be an emerging Ireland player?

according to irishrugby on facebook it will be whos left after the U20s at the championships and the tour in america.
So a mix of available wolfhounds and AIL players.

Im interested to see the coaching ticket....

CIARAN_BOYLE

sydthebeat wrote: »

according to irishrugby on facebook it will be whos left after the U20s at the championships and the tour in america.
So a mix of available wolfhounds and AIL players.

Im interested to see the coaching ticket....

I doubt there will be anyone from the AIL, everyone will be contracted

Could see a team along the lines of

Black Varley Bent Nagle Marshall Ruddock Ryan McKeown
Heaney Keatley TOH Hanrahan EOM Morris Jones
JHW McGrath Moore MKearney Murphy Cooney Allen Conway

Could Elwood take the tour, he has been involved with the last couple of WH games.

locum-motion

durkadurka wrote: »

What sort of player would be an emerging Ireland player?

Slightly off topic, except for the use of the word "Emerging".

In 1995, the Rugby League World Cup was held in England. At the same time, they also had another competition called the Emerging Nations World Cup. Ireland was defined as an emerging nation, and we were beaten in the final by The Cook Islands.

I know, because I was there. My brother was on the team.

irishbucsfan

It would have been better if they had sent a Presidents XV and played Michael D. Higgins at 9.

LuckyLloyd

It will be a mix of professionally contracted players who aren't involved in normal tour duty during the summer (or are being rested from same for whatever reason). So think players down the depth charts at the Provinces.

Cosmo Kramer

What criteria would need to be satisfied to be allowed to play for an 'Emerging Ireland' side? It seems to be a different concept to an 'A' side like the Wolfhounds. On that basis would it necessarily be a requirement to be fully IQd to play for this team or could a project player or two such as Nathan White be called in to help them towards 'emerging' to become a regular with the seniors?

There would seem to be more use to bringing a few project players than a group made up of provincial reserves that are unlikely to ever emerge into any higher level.

LuckyLloyd

I wouldn't get too hung up on the name of it tbh!

lologram

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I wouldn't get too hung up on the name of it tbh!

You're the voice of reason!

I have to say I like the idea of this tournament. There's also the tournament between SA, Italy, Samoa and Scotland this summer and the increased participation of Tier 2 countries in the Autumn games. The IRB seems to be taking expansion and improvement of international rugby seriously.

bilston

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I wouldn't get too hung up on the name of it tbh!

The irony is that the team SA are sending will probably be what I believe are usually called the Emerging Springboks so why haven't they stuck with that name?

But yes the name hardly matters.

I just hope this comp gets some coverage.

pickarooney

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It would have been better if they had sent a Presidents XV and played Michael D. Higgins at 9.

These guys could do some damage

1 Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov
2 Angela Merkel
3 Kim Jong Un
4 Helmut Kohl
5 Abraham Lincoln
6 Nicolas Maduro
7 Dilma Rousseff
8 Yayi Boni
9 Nicolas Sarkozy
10 Laura Chinchilla
11 Barack Obama
12 Vladimir Putin
13 Hamid Karzai
14 Aníbal Cavaco Silva
15 Ian Khama

Victor Yanukovich
Michael D. Higgins
Joyce Banda
Ilham Aliyev
Ivo Josipovic
Girma Wolde-Giorgis

Angela Merkel at Hooker is a beautiful touch

Coleridge

Given the Lions tour, North America tour and under 20s, this is an ‘Ireland’ squad too far for a country with our playing resources.

We would really be scraping the barrel in terms of who is available.

Could be badly exposed upfront by a massive Georgian pack and no doubt a fairly formidable set of SA forwards.

Teferi

Kim Jong Un is far too small to play TH.

Teferi

That's not a sentence I thought I would ever write.

Robbo

Although not strictly a president, I always felt Churchill belonged somewhere in the front row.

Teferi

Robbo wrote: »

Although not strictly a president, I always felt Churchill belonged somewhere in the front row.

Nah mate, he's definitely the mouthy 9 that never shuts up.

pickarooney

Teferi wrote: »

Kim Jong Un is far too small to play TH.

He originally played in all 15 positions but I scaled him back

The idea of the tournament being that its teams on level enough footing. We're not sending the first XV in to rout Georgia.

They want competitive games.

Fielding a team of players like this (consider the Lions, U20s and USA tour) wouldn't be so bad.
I've given two options in most positions in case players get bumped up the ladder to cover for injuries in the Lions / States.

1. Jack McGrath / Denis Buckley (Healy @ Lions, Court & Kilcyone in the States)
2. Varley / JHW (Best @ Lions, Strauss, Cronin and Sherry in the States)
3. Hagan / Bent (Ross, Archer, Fitzpatrick in the States)
4. Flanagan / Stevenson (POC @ Lions, Ryan on standby. Tuohy, DOC, Toner, Henderson in States)
5. Nagle / Holland
6. Murphy / Ruddock (Ferris broke, POM & McLaughlin in the States)
7. Ryan / Faloon (SOB @ Lions, Henry in the States)
8. O'Donnell / McKeown (Heaslip @ Lions, Coughlin in the States)
9. Marmion / Cooney (Murray on Standby, Marshall & Boss in the States)
10. Keatley / JJ Hanrahan (Sexton @ Lions, Jackson & Madigan in the States)
11. Allen / LOD (Zebo on Standby, Earls & in the States)
12. McSharry / JJ (D'Arcy and Downey in the States - Marshall broken)
13. Griffin / Nelson (BOD @ Lions, Earls & Cave in the States)
14. O'Halloran / Conway (McFadden and Trimble in the States)
15. Andrew / Conway (Kearney @ Lions, Henshaw & Jones in the States)

Tox56

I'd say emmet's team is the closest so far, think we'll see something very similar start. Maybe EOM /Macken in at 13 too. Good for guys like Jordi Murphy to be rewarded for their form when they wouldn't otherwise

wittycynic

Coleridge wrote: »

Given the Lions tour, North America tour and under 20s, this is an ‘Ireland’ squad too far for a country with our playing resources.

We would really be scraping the barrel in terms of who is available.

Could be badly exposed upfront by a massive Georgian pack and no doubt a fairly formidable set of SA forwards.

I have to disagree, even with our participation in the aforementioned tours, we could still field an Emerging Ireland starting 15 that have all played HEC rugby for their provinces this season.

Robbo

pickarooney wrote: »

He originally played in all 15 positions but I scaled him back

In the only game of rugby he played, he also bagged 5 drop goals from 70 yards and covered both sides of the scrum at once. He took to it like his ould fella took to golf.

dtpc191991

pickarooney wrote: »

He originally played in all 15 positions but I scaled him back

He is well above international standard. =P

thomond2006

dtpc191991 wrote: »

He is well above international standard. =P

He is Kim Jong Un standard.

dtpc191991

What about Moore. This would be a great oppourtunity to start bringing him trough.

dtpc191991

dtpc191991 wrote: »

What about Moore. This would be a great oppourtunity to start bringing him trough.

picked 2 IQ Tight Heads ahead of him that are starting ahead of him at their province.

No rush on Marty, he's gonna get there. Throwing him in against the Georgian scrummagers might be a step too far.

Slow steady steps for the TH props imo.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Deleted User wrote: »

picked 2 IQ Tight Heads ahead of him that are starting ahead of him at their province.

No rush on Marty, he's gonna get there. Throwing him in against the Georgian scrummagers might be a step too far.

Slow steady steps for the TH props imo.

I'd give Ross the summer off, assume Fitzpatrick to be broken have Archer and Hagan in the states with Loughney covering both sides as the 5th prop to travel.

Then Bent with either Lutton or Moore as the second TH for the Tblisi cup

dtpc191991

Deleted User wrote: »

picked 2 IQ Tight Heads ahead of him that are starting ahead of him at their province.

No rush on Marty, he's gonna get there. Throwing him in against the Georgian scrummagers might be a step too far.

Slow steady steps for the TH props imo.

Even though we are in a fair bit of trouble at TH. Aside from Ross none of the other props named, with the exception of Fitzpatrick (who's always injured) are good enough at the top level. The likes of Moore, Furlong etc look like they will be.

Larbre34

This proposal is nonsense, we do not need another representative XV side, Ireland 'Z' if you will

If 2nd tier European nations want to make progress, schedule them in to play 6 nations 'A' sides during the 6N window instead of hit and miss fixtures between the Saxons, Wolfhounds, Ireland A. Do France and Wales even field 'A' teams?

Any other few quid left after that should be put into men's Seven's, we are in a shameful position there.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Larbre34 wrote: »

Any other few quid left after that should be put into men's Seven's, we are in a shameful position there.

Scotland A have taken part in similar competitions in recent years and got full funding from the IRB because they were helping develop the second tier nations.

I presume we have the same deal.

Robbo

Mick Kearney has had a good enough season at Connacht to warrant mention as second/back row cover.

Also, I believe Denis Buckley and Willie Faloon are out for the rest of the season with Grade 3 medial tears and Dave McSharry's groin is a concern again.

.ak

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Scotland A have taken part in similar competitions in recent years and got full funding from the IRB because they were helping develop the second tier nations.

I presume we have the same deal.

Yeah, it's absolutely win win, plus fringe players get a taste of what it's like to be involved in an international test side.

biscuits22

I'd hav Andrew Browne in the mix as well......has had really solid season and can cover sr/br

pickarooney

thomond2006 wrote: »

He is Kim Jong Un standard.

The scrums were not much of a spectacle. Only Un contested.

In all honesty, Ireland's first XV would have a tough enough time against the Georgian pack; our fourth string side might get badly mangled.

the baby bull elephant

Likely to be an "emerging Georgia" as well apparently.

its_phil

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Likely to be an "emerging Georgia" as well apparently.

Really? With it being in Tbilsi, surely enough of an appetite wouldn't be there for an emerging Georgia. That is an uneducated guess though.

All guns blazing Gorgodze tearing young Irish lads to bits is what I would imagine to happen

yimrsg

I watched Georgia vs Spain in the WC qualifiers and Gorgodze wasn't bothered for the most part, some others like Basilia and the Georgian 12 were giving it everything but Spain were abject. The atmosphere in the stadium seemed fairly good too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbYXFJvS08

jacothelad

pickarooney wrote: »

The scrums were not much of a spectacle. Only Un contested.

In all honesty, Ireland's first XV would have a tough enough time against the Georgian pack; our fourth string side might get badly mangled.

Yeah. They should send one of our 'international' capped props - Archer - to hold up the scrum.:mad::mad: he'd be grand if they abolished the scrum. How and why I see his name in Ireland team sheets is beyond a joke.

the baby bull elephant

its_phil wrote: »

Really? With it being in Tbilsi, surely enough of an appetite wouldn't be there for an emerging Georgia. That is an uneducated guess though.

All guns blazing Gorgodze tearing young Irish lads to bits is what I would imagine to happen

Poster on a different board whos pretty knowledgeable about Georgian rugby told me anyway. The French clubs often find ways of not releasing their players making sure they're always "injured".

Cool_CM

thomond2006 wrote: »

He is Kim Jong Un standard.

His most recent testing samples came back aladeen.

.ak

Are players who play in the Emerging squad capped for Ireland then?

wp_rathead

highly doubt it'll be a capped game in all honesty

really hope it is broadcast though, channel like Eurosport could cover it

the baby bull elephant

Sheridan and McKinney called up for training squad.

http://www.rotherhamrugby.co.uk/news/846/two-titans-invited-to-the-ireland-national-training-camp/

Hagz

That's good to see. If those two are getting a call up then Robin Copeland and Niall Morris are sure to as well.

Liveforrugby

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Sheridan and McKinney called up for training squad.

http://www.rotherhamrugby.co.uk/news/846/two-titans-invited-to-the-ireland-national-training-camp/

Sheriden will start at 12 for ireland when joe steps in as coach

CIARAN_BOYLE

Liveforrugby wrote: »

Sheriden will start at 12 for ireland when joe steps in as coach

Doubt it. Maybe if he manages to start at for LI next season but to be honest Marshall Olding McSharry and even Hanrahan would all be ahead of him imo. Darcy Downey and Wallace too.

Liveforrugby

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Doubt it. Maybe if he manages to start at for LI next season but to be honest Marshall Olding McSharry and even Hanrahan would all be ahead of him imo. Darcy Downey and Wallace too.

It's not about how good he is, it's about the fact that he's massive, joe likes big centers

thomond2006

I'd say Sheridan will be playing on the back foot a lot next season, London Irish are losing their best players and a lot of fans think they'll be in a relegation fight again next season.

Hagz

It'll probably be Marshall for the USA+Canada games.
Olding is likely to be in France with the u20 squad, as will Chris Farrell if he get's back to fitness.
I doubt they'll waste any of Gordon D'Arcy's time by bringing him.
James Downey, at 32, is imo past the point of experimenting with.
McSharry seems to be injured afaik.