Tblisi Cup. June 2013. "Emerging Ireland"

Piliger

Deleted User wrote: »

Does not mean "Ian Keatley is not good enough in other elements of his game to make up for his non-top class kicking".

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I'm not going to get into it further. Your statement was a write-off of an outhalf because he wasn't kicking well. It is an argument that pops up time and time again because Irish rugby was blessed to have an outstanding kicker (who also played at 10) for so long. We've come to pair them both.

Rugby is a team sport. You pick the team most likely to win a game as a coach. Sometimes that means you play a guy who doesn't kick (see Crosbie in his second year @ U20s) because he adds a dimension to the backline that the 5* kicker can't.

There's no shame or issue with being a non-kicking 10. Larkham was one of the world's best out halves without being much use off the deck. We should have plenty of good footballers in our rugby teams, well able to kick goals. McFadden, Murray, Carr are all players that were prolific kickers and didn't play out half.

In any case. Keatley is a good kicker, still young (26) and is about to take the reigns at Munster for the coming season. Writing him off because he missed an easy kick in the Tiblisi Cup is a bit odd no?

Firstly I'm not writing him off other than for this coming season. Too many better players than him, especially under pressure. Anyone and everyone can improve, though at 26 he is no spring chicken. Your point about 10 being a kicker is just repeating something I didn't disagree about at all. We had Tom Kiernan for years.

jacothelad

Deleted User wrote: »

showed that an out half that can't kick can be a pretty useful member of a team.

A fairly complete one man dismissal of the statement

Yes. Jack Kyle, Tom Kiernan, Mike Gibson, Paul Deans, Elwood and a host of other 'kickers' for Ireland should never have been capped as they 'didn't deliver with the boot' at 90%. Lucky buggers to have even been thought about as potential internationals.....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

jacothelad

Piliger wrote: »

Firstly I'm not writing him off other than for this coming season. Too many better players than him, especially under pressure. Anyone and everyone can improve, though at 26 he is no spring chicken. Your point about 10 being a kicker is just repeating something I didn't disagree about at all. We had Tom Kiernan for years.

.and Kiernan was pretty crap at goal kicking. His nephew, Michael was a better kicker.

trouttrout

Piliger wrote: »

Firstly I'm not writing him off other than for this coming season. Too many better players than him, especially under pressure. Anyone and everyone can improve, though at 26 he is no spring chicken. Your point about 10 being a kicker is just repeating something I didn't disagree about at all. We had Tom Kiernan for years.

So your basing your view on him as a poor kicker under pressure on one game?

Hype710

Has the game from yesterday gone up on YouTube or anything? Or available on the IRB website?

lurtz

Hype710 wrote: »

Has the game from yesterday gone up on YouTube or anything? Or available on the IRB website?

on the irfu website they have a link to a full replay

thomond2006

Emerging Ireland team to play Uruguay (Tbilisi Cup - Avchala Stadium, Tbilisi, Sunday 16th June - Kick-off 16.00hrs local/13.00hrs Irish time

15 - David Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster)
14 - Niall Morris (Leicester/Exiles)
13 - Eoin Griffin (Galwegians/Connacht)
12 - Noel Reid (Clontarf/Leinster)
11 - Tiernan O'Halloran (Galwegians/Connacht)
10 - Ian Keatley (Young Munster/Munster)
9 - John Cooney (Lansdowne/Leinster)

1 - Jack McGrath (St. Mary’s/Leinster)
2 - Robert Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
3 - Michael Bent (Leinster)
4 - Dave O’Callaghan (Dolphin/Munster)
5 - David Foley (UL Bohemian/Munster)
6 - Rhys Ruddock (St. Mary’s/Leinster)(Captain)
7 - Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
8 - Eoin McKeon (Galwegians/Connacht)

Replacements:
16 - Niall Annett (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
17 - Richard Lutton (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
18 - Ian Nagle (Cork Constitution/Munster)
19 - Dominic Ryan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
20 - Michael Heaney (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
21 - Brendan Macken (Blackrock/Leinster)
22 - Peter Nelson (Dungannon/ Ulster)

Blackheath

Interesting to see DOCII plays in the 2nd row

thomond2006

Blackheath wrote: »

Interesting to see DOCII plays in the 2nd row

Plus he's put ahead of Nagle.

jacothelad

thomond2006 wrote: »

Emerging Ireland team to play Uruguay (Tbilisi Cup - Avchala Stadium, Tbilisi, Sunday 16th June - Kick-off 16.00hrs local/13.00hrs Irish time

15 - David Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster)
14 - Niall Morris (Leicester/Exiles)
13 - Eoin Griffin (Galwegians/Connacht)
12 - Noel Reid (Clontarf/Leinster)
11 - Tiernan O'Halloran (Galwegians/Connacht)
10 - Ian Keatley (Young Munster/Munster)
9 - John Cooney (Lansdowne/Leinster)

1 - Jack McGrath (St. Mary’s/Leinster)
2 - Robert Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
3 - Michael Bent (Leinster)
4 - Dave O’Callaghan (Dolphin/Munster)
5 - David Foley (UL Bohemian/Munster)
6 - Rhys Ruddock (St. Mary’s/Leinster)(Captain)
7 - Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
8 - Eoin McKeon (Galwegians/Connacht)

Replacements:
16 - Niall Annett (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
17 - Richard Lutton (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
18 - Ian Nagle (Cork Constitution/Munster)
19 - Dominic Ryan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
20 - Michael Heaney (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
21 - Brendan Macken (Blackrock/Leinster)
22 - Peter Nelson (Dungannon/ Ulster)

Only one bench prop?

Tox56

jacothelad wrote: »

Only one bench prop?

Bent covers both sides

durkadurka

Tox56 wrote: »

Bent covers both sides

Equally incompetently?

Tox56

durkadurka wrote: »

Equally incompetently?

We're playing Uruguay for feck sake, Noel Reid could cover loosehead

.ak

durkadurka wrote: »

Equally incompetently?

He could be possibly better as a loosey, that's his natural position afaik

CIARAN_BOYLE

jacothelad wrote: »

Only one bench prop?

22 man squads in the Tblisi cup.

Tox56 wrote: »

Bent covers both sides

So does Lutton, as does McGrath albeit poorly.

Pity Moore got no gametime on this tour.

CatFromHue

durkadurka wrote: »

Equally incompetently?

You're so ruthless when you're sober!

CIARAN_BOYLE

What time today are we playing at?

CIARAN_BOYLE

game on now 1pm kick off

CIARAN_BOYLE

7-0 Ireland lead Keatley try

danthefan

http://www.irb.com/live/video.html

CIARAN_BOYLE

12-0 or 14-0 TOH try the stream didn't bother showing the conversion instead focusing on the replay

CIARAN_BOYLE

Uruguay try 14-7 now

irishbucsfan

Bah I forgot this. I could've watched it

CIARAN_BOYLE

Try Keatley

21-7

CIARAN_BOYLE

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Bah I forgot this. I could've watched it

less than 20 minutes in

Tox56

Hopefully I won't come to regret saying this but some of these players are way way too good for this level of opposition, TOH, Morris, Kearney beating men at will

irishbucsfan

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

less than 20 minutes in

Yeah cheers. Unfortunately I'm on the way to the office to do some work.

Hopefully I'll get it up on a stream when I get in but that kindve defeats the purpose of going in the first place!

shuffol

danthefan wrote: »

http://www.irb.com/live/video.html

wow top quality stream, good stuff.

Tox56

Bent's contribution thus far has been to get turned over in contact 5m from the line, concede a braindead penalty at a maul for coming in from the side and concede a penalty for crossing.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Heaney on for Cooney 35 minutes

Borders no.2

2 strange pieces of play from Ian Keatley. Kicking it out two yards up the line thinking its half time and then getting a penalty inside the Uruguay half and kicking it to touch when he knew it was definitely the final play. Why not have a shot at goal. It might be out of his range but what have you to lose.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Niall Morris try

Oisinjm

Their scrum half looks busy, decent player. Who is he?

shuffol

Beauty from Morris.

Swan Curry

Why does the commentator keep calling him Niall Morrissey?

Podge_irl

Ireland are conceding a worrying number of tries to Uruguay...

farrell2121

Podge_irl wrote: »

Ireland are conceding a worrying number of tries to Uruguay...

All off the scrums.

Podge_irl

Nearly a length of the field try there after some piss poor tackling from Ireland. Knocked on on the line and Uruguay then mangle the Irish scrum. Uruguay came very close to making the last few minutes worrying there.

Podge_irl

Another Uruguay try. Unfathomable how Ireland don't have a player in the bin by now. That's about 4 penalties in the last 5 minutes near our line.

Podge_irl

Game over 42-33. Uruguay played some pretty good stuff in that last half hour.

Buer

Podge_irl wrote: »

Game over 42-33. Uruguay played some pretty good stuff in that last half hour.

Hmmm. Very surprised by that scoreline. Uruguay scored 9 points against SA and 3 against Georgia. That's not an impressive scoreline by any stretch.

Podge_irl

Buer wrote: »

Hmmm. Very surprised by that scoreline. Uruguay scored 9 points against SA and 3 against Georgia. That's not an impressive scoreline by any stretch.

From the looks of it the Irish players were simply shattered. It was 31 degrees and their third game in two weeks. They went out to a big lead and then the Uruguayans racked up a good few tries.

Niallof9

Podge_irl wrote: »

From the looks of it the Irish players were simply shattered. It was 31 degrees and their third game in two weeks. They went out to a big lead and then the Uruguayans racked up a good few tries.

Its an extremely poor scoreline to a bottom tier side, no doubt about it.

Their heads were somewhere else, a few i'd say didn't want to be there.

Like Cronin was meant to be in the original squad. One would suspect that he'd have been raging at that. I'd say a few similar situations ala Keatley and Ruddock.