What I don't get about PC and so called offesive posts

WayneMolloy

Seachmall wrote: »

On a scale of one to stupid that's about a 9.5.

Oh yeah?

Aint you the lad who claimed to not slate islam due to fear of the repercussions?

Thats the definition of stupidity.

Sure let the community grow and eventually become majorities. What could go wrong?

Seachmall

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Aint you the lad who claimed to not slate islam due to fear of the repercussions?

No, don't believe I ever did.

WayneMolloy

Seachmall wrote: »

No, don't believe I ever did.

You said that the reason people felt comfortable slating Christianity instead of Islam, was because the pope was unlikely to issue a fatwa - unlike the muslims.

That is cowardice.

hooradiation

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Sure let the community grow and eventually become majorities. What could go wrong?

Wait. are you telling me that the demographics of a society will change over time?

HOLY FUCKING WOW, SOMEONE ALERT THE PRESS!

Seachmall

WayneMolloy wrote: »

You said that the reason people felt comfortable slating Christianity instead of Islam, was because the pope was unlikely to issue a fatwa - unlike the muslims.

That is cowardice.

But is it wrong?

Gatling

This country is PC mad though
Preschools and playgroup for toddlers asked to removed anything which may be deemed religious for fear of causing insults to non nationals,

Prime example of this my daughter goes to Irish play school / naionra st Patrick's day celebration's were renamed international green day ,Christmas was changed also due to 2 kids who aren't Irish and don't speak either English /Irish for fear of upsetting there parents

WayneMolloy

Seachmall wrote: »

But is it wrong?

Is what wrong?

Not wanting to live in a country were muslims hold a majority?

No. Its common sense.

WayneMolloy

Gatling wrote: »

This country is PC mad though
Preschools and playgroup for toddlers asked to removed anything which may be deemed religious for fear of causing insults to non nationals,

Prime example of this my daughter goes to Irish play school / naionra st Patrick's day celebration's were renamed international green day ,Christmas was changed also due to 2 kids who aren't Irish and don't speak either English /Irish for fear of upsetting there parents

International green day?

I really, really hope you are taking the piss here.

International green day, me flute.

Seachmall

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Is what wrong?

Not wanting to live in a country were muslims hold a majority?

No. Its common sense.

In 3 posts you've managed 2 non-sequiturs and 2 strawmen.


Congratulations on your fine rhetoric.

WayneMolloy

Seachmall wrote: »

In 3 posts you've managed 2 non-sequiturs and 2 strawmen.


Congratulations on your fine rhetoric.

You claimed that people openly slate Christianity, but are afraid to slate the islamic cult, due to the fact that the pope is unlikely to issue a fatwa.

True or false.

Seachmall

WayneMolloy wrote: »

You claimed that people openly slate Christianity, but are afraid to slate the islamic cult, due to the fact that the pope is unlikely to issue a fatwa.

True or false.

True, but irrelevant.

There's also a fine whiff of irony permeating our conversation thus far.

Gatling

WayneMolloy wrote: »

International green day?

I really, really hope you are taking the piss here.

International green day, me flute.

Absolutely not taking the piss

International green day replaced st Patrick

WayneMolloy

Seachmall wrote: »

True, but irrelevant.

There's also a fine whiff of irony permeating our conversation thus far.

What is that irony?

WayneMolloy

Gatling wrote: »

Absolutely not taking the piss

International green day replaced st Patrick

That is kinda sad. We get one day where the whole world celebrates Ireland and her culture, we make it a multicultural event.

All them tourists coming here during that time of year - came to celebrate roma, nigerian and polish culture!


Hahaha.

Its why I direct any paddies day tourists to croker!

Seachmall

WayneMolloy wrote: »

What is that irony?

You insinuate that I'm afraid to criticise Islam. To support this point you use a post I made. The irony is in the fact that that post is a criticism of how Islam often responds to criticism.

The Road Runner

Gatling wrote: »

Anybody remember the woman from Africa who burned to death a car in or near crumlin ,
Protest's at sun drive garda station hate crime hate crime
Protect the blacks and so on

Because a "white " person was seen in the area at the time of the fire,
Turned out she was sitting in a car full of fuel in plastic containers she was selling and lit a cigarette and boom it all went up because of the flames ,

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Or the teenage lad who was stabbed in West Dublin. Marches, protests, uncle Joe Higgins going ape, the 'murderers' sisters house burnt to the ground in revenge.

Then the trial. He attacked the 'murderers' with a gang of his mates and got stabbed with his buddies own screwdriver. The same buddy who left Ireland and never showed up at the murder trial.

The media quickly dropped that 'racial hate crime'.

I think this kind of goes back to the op's point that it is fair game for certain sections of society to be openly ridiculed without fear of it been seen as out of order.

The pendulum of racism and bigotry is as ugly on both sides of the swing.
Take this thread for instance

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056909234&page=10

The final poster in that thread was giving the man accused of shooting a baby in the head the benefit of doubt BECAUSE of the colour of his skin. Citing a 20 year old historical case and a possible racial hoax at play. They even went on to bring into question the grieving mothers actions after loosing her child. While the case is still ongoing it seems there were several coverups by family and friends to protect the accused.

That thread was dropped like a hot potato once it seemed like the accused actually was the killer. Nobody stomping and stomping it to death. Though, were the accused and child killed of the opposite colour that they were or it turned out it was a stitch up, for sure the thread would have gone on and on till people were called racists, bigots, pumkins etc till it was locked.

In regards to the actions of extremists hell bent on no good, I don't think it would be out of their remit to cover and shield themselves with the good people in their community. It would be foolish for any society to turn a blind eye to possibility that this may happen.

getzls

The King of Moo wrote: »

Saudi Arabia is a horrific backward country, with a savage interpretation of Islam applied to law.

Sharia Law is barbaric.

Many Islamist terrorist are nasty pieces of work, and I have no problem with Islamist terrorist leaders being killed, as they're religious fundamentalist maniacs who cause the deaths of both their followers and their "enemies" while cowardly staying out of the line of fire.

Unfortunately I'm now going to get permanently banned for the above, by the PC do-gooder moderators.

For stating the truth? I hope not.

Islamists don't assimilate into another countries culture.

They aim to take it over

MadsL

Awful whiff of self-congratulation off this thread.

Gyalist

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Or the teenage lad who was stabbed in West Dublin. Marches, protests, uncle Joe Higgins going ape, the 'murderers' sisters house burnt to the ground in revenge.

Then the trial. He attacked the 'murderers' with a gang of his mates and got stabbed with his buddies own screwdriver. The same buddy who left Ireland and never showed up at the murder trial.

The media quickly dropped that 'racial hate crime'.

You are inventing your own "facts". Nothing of the sort came out in the evidence given at the trial. Toyosi was stabbed by Paul Barry, who died on the morning of the start of the original trial. That was never disputed at the trial.

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Paul Barry, the man who stabbed Toyosi, had previously been involved in a similar attack in Pearse Street in 2000.

David Richardson received a number of stab wounds and was left in a critical condition in hospital.

The four were: Paul Fitzpatrick (20), a shopfitter, Paul Barry (29), unemployed, David Colclough (29), unemployed, all of Pearse Street and Darren Kenny (31) a pipelayer, Meade Terrace, Dublin.

Fitzpatrick, Barry and Kenny were charged with assault and violent disorder. Colclough had been charged last year with assault causing serious harm to David Richardson and has been in custody on that charge since last September.

The two other men also charged yesterday were: Brian Lee (23), Raheen Park, Ballyfermot and Phillip Uzell (20), Boyne Street, Dublin.

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"Comment is free, but facts are sacred" - C.P. Scott

IM0

*drops stone in thread so sinks to the bottom*

MadsL

IM0 wrote: »

*drops stone in thread so sinks to the bottom*

You know it works the other way round when comes to threads right?

Legs.Eleven

WayneMolloy wrote: »

I dunno, buddy. My younger brother is still in secondary and hes all about helping the third world, increasing foreign aid and 'letting them all in'.

My sister is the same - I dont know where the hell they are picking this crap up from. Teachers, perhaps?

They may be a minority now - but for how much longer?

Lefties dont have the streets smarts to make their own cash - so are over reliant on the civil service for employment. Look at our president, sure.

Man if you're going to argue a point, at least make what you say sound half intelligent. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on Boards along with your comment about liberals (with no justification) from Dublin 4.

And your proof? Our president who'd be out on the street living hand to mouth had we not given him the job.

Let's be honest here, you're scraping the barrel when you come out with nonsense like that. I'm afraid you lost your case when you labelled all D4 "liberals" as bastards. You better keep your prejudices in check there or you'll make a tit of yourself again, which doesn't help your case.

Spanish Harlem

"Political correctness" is an industry in Ireland, that provides hundreds of lefties with employment (they're hardly going to get a real job with their useless Arts degree in multicultural studies, are they?). It's therefore in their interest to exaggerate and invent racist hate crimes where there is none. The perfect example is the incident of the African woman who accidentally set herself alight in a car full of petrol, mentioned above. Hence you get foreigners cropping up on the RTÉ news, denouncing the racist Irish and patronisingly teaching us how we can become more enlightened.

A selection of the quangos operating on this fair isle
http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/
Irish network against racism
Immigrant Parent and Guardian Support Association

It's all about money.

Nodin

...thread needs a touch of sugar....far too bitter.

Legs.Eleven

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

"Political correctness" is an industry in Ireland, that provides hundreds of lefties with employment (they're hardly going to get a real job with their useless Arts degree in multicultural studies, are they?). It's therefore in their interest to exaggerate and invent racist hate crimes where there is none. The perfect example is the incident of the African woman who accidentally set herself alight in a car full of petrol, mentioned above. Hence you get foreigners cropping up on the RTÉ news, denouncing the racist Irish and patronisingly teaching us how we can become more enlightened.

A selection of the quangos operating on this fair isle
http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/
Irish network against racism
Immigrant Parent and Guardian Support Association

It's all about money.

What are you you shitting on about?

Edit: By the way, you asked me for a source to prove most governments in Europe right now are right-wing (and let's face it, such a clever man like yourself should've known that as it's only statistics and not a matter of opinion), which I did. I'm still awaiting a response. You were very quiet for the last number of pages?

Spanish Harlem

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

What are you you shitting on about?

Edit: By the way, you asked me for a source to prove most governments in Europe right now are right-wing (and let's face it, such a clever man like yourself should've known that as it's only statistics and not a matter of opinion), which I did. I'm still awaiting a response. You were very quiet for the last number of pages?

Yes, it was the middle of the night. People usually go to sleep.

Regarding your link about right-wing governments is Europe:
(i) Fianna Fáil are right wing? They increased social welfare spending through the roof during their reign of socialist terror. We're still recovering today.
(ii) A bunch of centre right parties currently have power in Europe at the moment. What was your point again?

Legs.Eleven

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

Yes, it was the middle of the night. People usually go to sleep.

Regarding your link about right-wing governments is Europe:
(i) Fianna Fáil are right wing? They increased social welfare spending through the roof during their reign of socialist terror. We're still recovering today.
(ii) A bunch of centre right parties currently have power in Europe at the moment. What was your point again?

Fianna Fail are regarded as right-wing. Our public healthcare and education (the two cornerstones of any self-respecting Socialist society) were still an absolute shambles, if not worse, than before. Everything else about them indicated they were firmly centre-right.

But we were talking about Europe, not Ireland.



And you really don't remember what my point was? Something tells me you're pretending not to know just to suit yourself. The very fact that you disputed my claim shows it hit a nerve thus must've had a point, no?

My point is, you said Europe wasn't standing up to Muslim groups and letting it happen or "nipping it in the bud" to use Wayne's terminology. I dispusted that saying there's a huge anti Muslim feeling right across Europe now and millions of citizens in Europe are attempting to "nip it in the bud" by voting in right/centre-right/far-right governments and parties with very stringent immigration policies along with the election of extreme right-wing parties in a number of large European countries like France, Finland, The Netherlands, Italy, Switzerland, Denmark, Austria, Norway and Sweden and even within the country I currently live in - Spain.

The rise of the right is very real and very current, so the fact that you disputed that makes me wonder how much you actually know. All this talk of the rise of the Left in Europe is actually bollocks and statistics (as supposed to hyperbolic invention from some posters here) prove this. I'd prefer to deal with actual fact as supposed to conspiracy theories if you don't mind

wylam

The comments being made on this thread are crazier than a one eyed monkey on a unicycle, juggling chainsaws.

PS , i have nothing against monkeys, i think they are lovely.

Legs.Eleven

And I just typed in "rise right Europe" into Google and got realms and realms of articles. Typed in the same regarding the Left and got nowt (just more articles about the rise of the right). But sure, Europe has gone PC mad hasn't it? :rolleyes: Unfortunately that couldn't be further from the truth. Thank god some of us have sense.

not yet

getzls wrote: »

For stating the truth? I hope not.

Islamists don't assimilate into another countries culture.

They aim to take it over

Like the borg in startrek so..

Da Shins Kelly

This thread is such a mess.

Legs.Eleven

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

This thread is such a mess.

You're right. I don't know why I even bother my hole.

The King of Moo

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

"Political correctness" is an industry in Ireland, that provides hundreds of lefties with employment (they're hardly going to get a real job with their useless Arts degree in multicultural studies, are they?). It's therefore in their interest to exaggerate and invent racist hate crimes where there is none. The perfect example is the incident of the African woman who accidentally set herself alight in a car full of petrol, mentioned above. Hence you get foreigners cropping up on the RTÉ news, denouncing the racist Irish and patronisingly teaching us how we can become more enlightened.

A selection of the quangos operating on this fair isle
http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/
Irish network against racism
Immigrant Parent and Guardian Support Association

It's all about money.

Or, you know, dealing with issues relating to immigration, and tackling racism. Maybe for some it is about the money too, but you've provided no evidence that the people involved in such organisations only care about money.
However if you just know this to be true, then no evidence is required.

getzls wrote: »

For stating the truth? I hope not.

Islamists don't assimilate into another countries culture.

They aim to take it over

I'd disagree and say they generally aim to destroy other countries' cultures. Of course there are cases like the Taleban in Afghanistan or Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Mali where you can point to Islamist groups attempting to gain a great deal of political power and influence, but only in places with an Islamic tradition.
I don't think Islamists are interested in taking over non-Islamic cultures.
Attacks like those on 11 September, 2001 suggest they're more interesting in destroying such cultures as opposed to taking them over.

As for Muslims, on the other hand, there's simply too many of them to say they all want the same thing.

9959

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

You're right. I don't know why I even bother my hole.

bother me hole is funny, but "bother my hole" is even funnier.

Please continue to 'bother your hole', I enjoyed your posts and agree with them for the most part.

Legs.Eleven

9959 wrote: »

bother me hole is funny, but "bother my hole" is even funnier.

Please continue to 'bother your hole', I enjoyed your posts and agree with them for the most part.

"One is bothering ones hole". It sounds more literal, doesn't it? Like someone is interfering with my bottom. Stop bothering my bottom, you Sodomist!

Oisinjm

First thing I thought of.

Spanish Harlem

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Fianna Fail are regarded as right-wing. Our public healthcare and education (the two cornerstones of any self-respecting Socialist society) were still an absolute shambles, if not worse, than before. Everything else about them indicated they were firmly centre-right.

Oh dear. I respectfully suggest you do some reading of your country's recent history, lest you make foolish statements.

Over the years 2000-2010, Fianna Fáil presided over the biggest wave of immigration that this country has ever seen. The floodgates were opened and demographics were changed forever. Hardly the actions of a right-wing party.

Social welfare spending more than doubled in the last decade. Money was pumped into the education and health services, with virtually no visible improvements because it got gobbled up to pay wages of "consultants" and cronies of the government. Have a read of this table from the CSO. A civil servant paper pusher's wages went from €538.58 in the year 2000 to €898.89 in 2008! Hardly the actions of a right-wing party.

I won't even start on FF throwing around money at the dole class in an attempt to buy votes. It stood at over €200 a week at the end of the last decade. Bertie Ahern confessed himself that he was a socialist.

Are you going to back pedal on your statement that FF are right wing?

Legs.Eleven

Oisinjm wrote: »

First thing I thought of.

He writes for The Guardian. Just sayin'.

Gyalist

Gatling wrote: »

Anybody remember the woman from Africa who burned to death a car in or near crumlin ,
Protest's at sun drive garda station hate crime hate crime
Protect the blacks and so on

Because a "white " person was seen in the area at the time of the fire,
Turned out she was sitting in a car full of fuel in plastic containers she was selling and lit a cigarette and boom it all went up because of the flames ,

Any chance of a link to this alleged incident? An event like this would certainly have been reported in the media.

Legs.Eleven

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

Oh dear. I respectfully suggest you do some reading of your country's recent history, lest you make foolish statements.

Over the years 2000-2010, Fianna Fáil presided over the biggest wave of immigration that this country has ever seen. The floodgates were opened and demographics were changed forever. Hardly the actions of a right-wing party.

Social welfare spending more than doubled in the last decade. Money was pumped into the education and health services, with virtually no visible improvements because it got gobbled up to pay wages of "consultants" and cronies of the government. Have a read of this table from the CSO. A civil servant paper pusher's wages went from €538.58 in the year 2000 to €898.89 in 2008! Hardly the actions of a right-wing party.

I won't even start on FF throwing around money at the dole class in an attempt to buy votes. It stood at over €200 a week at the end of the last decade. Bertie Ahern confessed himself that he was a socialist.

Are you going to back pedal on your statement that FF are right wing?

Fair enough. Socially left-wing perhaps (at a push) but economically right-wing then. I accept that. However, Fianna Fail are not in power and proving they're left-wing doesn't actually defend your point. You're just arguing for arguments sake.




Now, can we actually get back to the point you raised? We were discussing Europe as a whole, weren't we? I'll just repost what I post because it's a gorgeous day outside and I'm going for lunch. Maybe then you could actually deal with the point at hand instead of focusing on Fianna Fail (a party not even in power right now) just to avoid the topic completely i.e. Europe in 2013 and the rise of the right-wing, not the rise of the so-called PC Brigade .

But we were talking about Europe, not Ireland.



And you really don't remember what my point was? Something tells me you're pretending not to know just to suit yourself. The very fact that you disputed my claim shows it hit a nerve thus must've had a point, no?

My point is, you said Europe wasn't standing up to Muslim groups and letting it happen or "nipping it in the bud" to use Wayne's terminology. I dispusted that saying there's a huge anti Muslim feeling right across Europe now and millions of citizens in Europe are attempting to "nip it in the bud" by voting in right/centre-right/far-right governments and parties with very stringent immigration policies along with the election of extreme right-wing parties in a number of large European countries like France, Finland, The Netherlands, Italy, Switzerland, Denmark, Austria, Norway and Sweden and even within the country I currently live in - Spain.

The rise of the right is very real and very current, so the fact that you disputed that makes me wonder how much you actually know. All this talk of the rise of the Left in Europe is actually bollocks and statistics (as supposed to hyperbolic invention from some posters here) prove this. I'd prefer to deal with actual fact as supposed to conspiracy theories if you don't mind

Daveysil15

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

Yes, it was the middle of the night. People usually go to sleep.

+1 Not everyone has the energy to keep posting til 2 or 3 in the morning. I don't know how some of these people do it.

Seachmall

Daveysil15 wrote: »

+1 Not everyone has the energy to keep posting til 2 or 3 in the morning. I don't know how some of these people do it.

Dedication m'boy!

One does not achieve Boards infamy without putting the work in.

Tis a goal everyone should strive to achieve.

(Well, that or sex. But who wants to have sex?)

Legs.Eleven

Daveysil15 wrote: »

+1 Not everyone has the energy to keep posting til 2 or 3 in the morning. I don't know how some of these people do it.

Not to be pedantic but I posted my post (with info he had requested as he doubted it) at 9pm Irish time. Hardly bedtime now is it? He could've also responded this morning....and he still hasn't responded to it now. In fact, the only thing he's disputed is my claim that FF are a centre-right party, which has nothing to do with the argument as they're no longer in power. All the hallmarks of a man who doesn't really know what he's talking about.

WayneMolloy

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Not to be pedantic but I posted my post (with info he had requested as he doubted it) at 9pm Irish time. Hardly bedtime now is it? He could've also responded this morning....and he still hasn't responded to it now. In fact, the only thing he's disputed is my claim that FF are a centre-right party, which has nothing to do with the argument as they're no longer in power. All the hallmarks of a man who doesn't really know what he's talking about.

Are people under a deadline to reply to your posts?:eek:

Legs.Eleven

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Are people under a deadline to reply to your posts?:eek:

Nope. At some stage would be nice. Something tells me this isn't going to happen though. Avoiding an issue he was proven wrong in as it's been almost 24 hours and he's taken the time to respond to something completely irrelevant. Doesn't make him look good, ye know?

Daveysil15

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Nope. At some stage would be nice. Something tells me this isn't going to happen though. Avoiding an issue he was proven wrong in as it's been almost 24 hours and he's taken the time to respond to something completely irrelevant. Doesn't make him look good, ye know?

Maybe he's having a siesta? Or he could be still thinking of something intelligent to say.

WayneMolloy

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Nope. At some stage would be nice. Something tells me this isn't going to happen though. Avoiding an issue he was proven wrong in as it's been almost 24 hours and he's taken the time to respond to something completely irrelevant. Doesn't make him look good, ye know?

He could be out and about, living life?

Its only a chat site, like. Its not that important.

Nodin

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Nope. At some stage would be nice. Something tells me this isn't going to happen though. Avoiding an issue he was proven wrong in as it's been almost 24 hours and he's taken the time to respond to something completely irrelevant. Doesn't make him look good, ye know?

Wayne isn't really in a position to condemn that kind of thing, tbh.

Legs.Eleven

WayneMolloy wrote: »

He could be out and about, living life?

Its only a chat site, like. Its not that important.

Eh....says you. :rolleyes:


Edit: I think it's quite telling his lack of response is all. He has actually posted a couple of lengthy posts today already...just not touching on anything I said so the "having a life" thing doesn't really wash, I'm afraid.

Legs.Eleven

Daveysil15 wrote: »

Maybe he's having a siesta? Or he could be still thinking of something intelligent to say.

I can almost hear the cogs at work from here.....