Reading intern job

Dempsey · 12-04-2013 7:36pm #1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22125015

Reading have been criticised for seeking to appoint a full-time postgraduate performance analyst who will not be paid or receive expenses.

Hold (or be in the process of completing) a postgraduate degree in performance analysis or sports science

Have a performance analysis background, with some previous experience of working in professional/semi-pro football

Hold a UK driving license and have access to their own car

The position is full-time and will require the successful applicant to work unsociable hours from July 2013 - May/June 2014. The post holder will be required to attend all first-team home games and some away games

This role is unpaid and includes no travel expenses

Its some joke when alot of people cant afford to do a job for a multimillion pound company!

Mocha Joe · 12-04-2013 7:47pm

That's pretty disgusting. I could give them a whole season performance analysis in one 4-letter word starting with 's' and ending with 'hit'.

CSF · 12-04-2013 7:48pm

This is common enough among lots of big money companies, no?

Cantona's Collars · 12-04-2013 7:49pm

Better than an internship here as a van helper at Currys.

theoneeyedman · 12-04-2013 7:50pm

CSF wrote: »

This is common enough among lots of big money companies, no?

That makes it ok so.

Mrs Thatchers spirit lived on ....

LETS BE AVN IT · 12-04-2013 7:53pm

Typical from Reading they may head off to the Championship again where they belong.

CSF · 12-04-2013 7:54pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

That makes it ok so.

Mrs Thatchers spirit lived on ....

The not paying expenses thing is fairly **** of them, but if you look at the amount of people who do work at football clubs every week for free, without getting something on their CV that will potentially enable them to earn a very good living in the future, it doesn't seem as bad.

Pro. F · 12-04-2013 8:22pm

Post-grad with experience and they don't get paid or expenses for a full time position? What a load of bollocks. The worst thing is that there are idiot rich kids who will take these positions and make life more difficult for everybody else.

The truth is if the jobs you are looking at aren't going to pay you when you have a masters and experience then you are looking at the wrong jobs.

Neil3030 · 12-04-2013 8:33pm

Not at all surprised by this, but is it any different to a major corporation, where suits in the boardroom trouser six and seven figure salaries, hiring an unpaid intern?

That said, if this internship provides an opportunity to learn, gain good experience and build contacts, it would be towards the more benign end of this culture, when you look at, say, the shelf-stacking "interns" at Tesco, as a contrast.

Pro. F · 12-04-2013 8:45pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Not at all surprised by this, but is it any different to a major corporation, where suits in the boardroom trouser six and seven figure salaries, hiring an unpaid intern?

Yeah it is. People with a post-grad and relevant experience tend not to have to take unpaid internships. It's only because football is such a desirable industry to work in that they would be getting away with this.

Neil3030 · 12-04-2013 8:54pm

Pro. F wrote: »

People with a post-grad and relevant experience tend not to have to take unpaid internships.

Sadly, they do. Unpaid internships are rampant in design and media industries.

Pro. F · 12-04-2013 9:17pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Sadly, they do. Unpaid internships are rampant in design and media industries.

Maybe design and media are industries that are that hard to get into too, I wouldn't know.

But industries like finance, tech, engineering, etc., I don't think the internships are as bad as that. As long as your willing to leave Ireland that is.

Mars Bar · 12-04-2013 11:07pm

I'm in the business of performance analysis and have been following all of these internships that have come up. Even I felt the need to comment on that one on the facebook page when I saw it. Huge discussion on Twitter about it. It's a very tough and demanding job and it at least deserves expenses to be covered.

GLaDOS · 12-04-2013 11:12pm

No expenses is fairly pathetic, especially if they're going to be driving a good bit (which I'm guessing from the need for a car/license)

Mars Bar · 12-04-2013 11:45pm

http://jasonlear.wordpress.com/2013/04/12/internships-the-debate-goes-mainstream-but-is-still-blunt/

I agree with pretty much everything Jason says in that article. Reading aren't the only ones, they were just honest enough to outline exactly the work load involved and are reading the heat here.

Wigan have been looking for 3 interns to work with the under 21 squad for a full season.
West brom are looking for a full time intern as are huddersfield and Swansea.

dreamers75 · 12-04-2013 11:45pm

All clubs do this even LOI clubs, its in the persons interest to do this.

To get what you want to be .....sometimes you have to do a bit more........

Mars Bar · 12-04-2013 11:48pm

There's a difference between offering an opportunity and exploitation though.

dreamers75 · 12-04-2013 11:54pm

Mars Bar wrote: »

There's a difference between offering an opportunity and exploitation though.

Seriously every club does this.

You think Mourinho was paid at Barca under Robson?

If you know anyone in sports science working at clubs ask the them what they did to get that job Padraic Phibbs and Fergal Kerin 2 that spring to mind, worked at pats for free now in paid jobs with other clubs.

Sometimes this forum with its "knowledge of the game" could seriously do with a smack of reality.

13-04-2013 12:01am

It's explotation.

Off to the championship with yis.

dreamers75 · 13-04-2013 12:05am

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's explotation.

Off to the championship with yis.

So if your club does it (dunno who they are but fairly sure they do it), is it off to the championship with them too?

jaysis....

Mars Bar · 13-04-2013 12:07am

I'm doing an internship myself in this area. I know it has to be done but I couldn't do it without bus expenses being paid.
We're talking about the English clubs here who are looking for the best of the best.
The clubs are looking for fully qualified graduates who are in debt to work unsociable hours and drive long distances for free for 12 months and some are looking for already experienced people. That's a person who deserves a wage IMO.

SM01 · 13-04-2013 12:15am

This is from a UK based site:

http://www.internaware.org/about/why-unpaid-internships-are-illegal/

Under employment law, people who work set hours, do set tasks and contribute value to an organisation are “workers” and are entitled to the minimum wage. This means even if your internship was just about being expected to turn up at a certain time and add some numbers in Excel you are likely to be entitled to pay. And as it is impossible to sign away your rights, even if you have agreed to work without pay you can still claim. Every time an intern has taken their employer to court for not being paid the minimum wage they have won.

It's a cynical practice and the sooner we see the back of it the better.

Gringo180 · 13-04-2013 12:20am

No expenses even, morally that is so wrong. Is the owner not a multi billionaire no

:eek:

LiamoSail · 13-04-2013 12:34am

Still better then the deal the Chelsea intern got; a decent salary and a bullet from Ashley cole

Dempsey · 13-04-2013 12:35am

Gringo180 wrote: »

No expenses even, morally that is so wrong. Is the owner not a multi billionaire no:eek:

How do you think he became a multi billionaire! :pac:

titan18 · 13-04-2013 12:44am

Ya, expenses should at least be paid considering there'll be a lot of travel involved with it. Otherwise, that's not even a free job, it's one costing a hell of a lot of money to do

Pro. F · 13-04-2013 12:45am

dreamers75 wrote: »

Seriously every club does this.

You think Mourinho was paid at Barca under Robson?

If you know anyone in sports science working at clubs ask the them what they did to get that job Padraic Phibbs and Fergal Kerin 2 that spring to mind, worked at pats for free now in paid jobs with other clubs.

Sometimes this forum with its "knowledge of the game" could seriously do with a smack of reality.

What a load of condescending bollocks. You clearly haven't read the thread or the article. They are looking for people who already have post graduate degrees and experience to do a full time job, that is somebody who has already done an internship being asked to do another one. That's exploitation whatever special, insider, real fan bollocks knowledge you think you have. Reading aren't even going to cover expenses.

And Mourinho worked with Robson at two clubs before they went to Barca.

Al Capwned · 13-04-2013 9:16am

There is a guy I know who does performance analysis at FC Nordsjaelland in Denmark and grew is very well paid for his work. All expenses are also covered, and he was given accommodation by the club.

This is his second year doing it, and he absolutely loves it. He's also getting the last of his coaching badges done over there.

Reading, and every other club that are doing this internship rubbish, are exploiting the workers imo. Especially considering the money and rewards involved in the game.

Pro. F · 13-04-2013 9:34am

Al Capwned wrote: »

There is a guy I know who does performance analysis at FC Nordsjaelland in Denmark and grew is very well paid for his work. All expenses are also covered, and he was given accommodation by the club.

This is his second year doing it, and he absolutely loves it. He's also getting the last of his coaching badges done over there.

Reading, and every other club that are doing this internship rubbish, are exploiting the workers imo. Especially considering the money and rewards involved in the game.

Sounds sweet. Is he Danish? Did he have to learn the language?

Al Capwned · 13-04-2013 11:41am

Pro. F wrote: »

Sounds sweet. Is he Danish? Did he have to learn the language?

Yeah he loves it. He's from the usa actually, but went to college in Copenhagen for a while when he was younger, so he had a grasp of the language. Fluent now, but still does a lot of his work in English, as there's a lot of different nationalities there.
Lives on his bloody I pad, swears by it.
He had a look at 3 or 4 games my club played last year in the Kildare league, and even at that level, some of the little things he was pointing out made a hell of a difference to a few of our lads, myself included.

Dempsey · 13-04-2013 12:14pm

Al Capwned wrote: »

Yeah he loves it. He's from the usa actually, but went to college in Copenhagen for a while when he was younger, so he had a grasp of the language. Fluent now, but still does a lot of his work in English, as there's a lot of different nationalities there.
Lives on his bloody I pad, swears by it.
He had a look at 3 or 4 games my club played last year in the Kildare league, and even at that level, some of the little things he was pointing out made a hell of a difference to a few of our lads, myself included.

I'd be interested in hearing a few examples of what he said if possible

Mr Whirly · 13-04-2013 12:30pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

You think Mourinho was paid at Barca under Robson?

He was employed as an interpreter so I'd imagine he was paid.

Al Capwned · 13-04-2013 2:40pm

Dempsey wrote: »

I'd be interested in hearing a few examples of what he said if possible

One of our ex-players emigrated to the US ten years ago - had a year as a pro with New England Revolution. He is best mates with this guy from their time together at an amateur club in Manhattan Beach, California.
_____

All done on video, and viewed afterwards with the players concerned.

One young lad in particular used to 'admire' every pass he hit, before moving for a return or whatever. Was only for a split second, but he felt that as most lads eyes were following the ball, it was never really picked up before. He showed him the video, and even yer man himself didn't realise he was doing it.

Well with regard to me, (keeper) one thing he felt that my kicking was letting me down, as I was trying to force extra distance out of the ball. Explained it to me like a golfers swing - if i can repeat the same action each time, i'd be more consistent. I always had a decent kick (length-wise) but the accuracy could be a bit erratic. Now I'm not kicking as far, but with the rest of the team understanding that (and why) we tend to keep possession more now from our goal kicks, free kicks etc.

He had a chat to a few more of the lads too, including our manager (has a UEFA 'A' licence) who learned a few bits from him too.

Dempsey · 27-08-2013 6:05pm

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/hm-revenue-customs-hmrc/pressreleases/football-in-focus-on-underpaid-workers-895769

Professional football clubs who fail to pay their staff the National Minimum Wage (NMW) can expect HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to take action against them, the department announced today.

As the new football season gets underway, HMRC has found evidence that some professional clubs may not be paying backroom staff the legal minimum wage.

Research by HMRC has shown that posts are being advertised for work at football clubs in areas such as sport science and marketing, as well as matchday roles - such as ball boy supervision, or work as mascots - which appear not to comply with NMW rules. HMRC is now taking pre-emptive action to safeguard workers by initially contacting 44 football clubs, to ensure that employers are not breaching minimum wage rules.

Letters will do the trick! :rolleyes:

Amirani · 27-08-2013 6:19pm

Pro. F wrote: »

But industries like finance, tech, engineering, etc., I don't think the internships are as bad as that. As long as your willing to leave Ireland that is.

Tech internships in Ireland are pretty well paid as it happens, even before degree level.

Mars Bar · 27-08-2013 6:55pm

It's a start I suppose.

An Irish lad who did the course in Carlow got a position with Reading as analyst for the academy. Wonder is this the position he got...

Sir Gallagher · 27-08-2013 7:04pm

It's a load of bollox, even more so considering the wages players are on these days.

I am pie · 27-08-2013 7:47pm

Laughable really. You could understand if it was a 3rd division or conference team but for the bigger teams to carry on this practise is a disgrace. They should be offering paid internships via local universities and part of some sort of community engagement scheme. This would represent such a small part of the clubs expenditure, most clubs would probably spend more on tea and biscuits!

The fact that it is widespread (allegedly) only makes it worse.

Guy:Incognito · 27-08-2013 9:52pm

They could probably do with playing a few interns after getting hammered 6-0 by peterboro.

CastingCouch · 27-08-2013 10:24pm

Currently doing an internship and not a bad wage out of it.

kensutz · 28-08-2013 11:13am

Mars Bar wrote: »

It's a start I suppose.

An Irish lad who did the course in Carlow got a position with Reading as analyst for the academy. Wonder is this the position he got...

Nope

Mars Bar · 28-08-2013 11:39am

kensutz wrote: »

Nope

Do ya know him?

(I'm guessing it's not you if you're real name is actually Ken...)

kensutz · 28-08-2013 11:49am

Mars Bar wrote: »

Do ya know him?

(I'm guessing it's not you if you're real name is actually Ken...)

Yeah I know him, worked with him before. Have to say he did really well and deserves the job.

Mars Bar · 28-08-2013 12:12pm

kensutz wrote: »

Yeah I know him, worked with him before. Have to say he did really well and deserves the job.

He did the analysis for Wexford Women's last year. Must have been invaluable experience that.

I'm doing it for the Galway Women's this year so hopefully I'll do as well as him (I'm minus the college degree though!).

Dempsey · 09-10-2013 1:59pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24454963

Cardiff have suspended their head of recruitment Iain Moody and replaced him with an unknown 23-year-old who was formerly on work experience.

Moody helped Cardiff sign summer recruits such as Gary Medel and Steven Caulker in his scouting role.

But he has been succeeded by Kazakh Alisher Apsalyamov, who was on work experience at the club in the summer and who is a friend of owner Vincent Tan's son.

Cardiff are yet to comment.

This lad probably put Football Manager achievements on his CV!

Mars Bar · 09-10-2013 2:00pm

Oh dear...

GavRedKing · 09-10-2013 2:02pm

Dempsey wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24454963

Cardiff have suspended their head of recruitment Iain Moody and replaced him with an unknown 23-year-old who was formerly on work experience.

This lad probably put Football Manager achievements on his CV!

I'd say it was more down to this.

who is a friend of owner Vincent Tan's son

If it works out then well done, if not the owner will be in for big criticism.

Dempsey · 09-10-2013 2:12pm

I know its down to that, I was joking!

Incredible decision considering the long working relationship with the manager. I wonder if this is down to the bonus payments row on going at the club

GavRedKing · 09-10-2013 2:15pm

Well they'll save a fortune but giving jobs to buddies, with what I can assume is little to no experience is a receipe for a disaster.

A Primal Nut · 09-10-2013 4:09pm

Don't think it's that bad. It sounds like something good for a Reading fan who wants to go to all the matches and help his team with performance analysis, maybe work with the coaches while also getting some work experience. I doubt they will be that stressed out. If I got to do something like that with my favourite team for a few months out of cellege I'd be delighted.

That said, he should at least get his expenses.

Reading intern job

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