Munster v Leinster post match thread **read post 1

jamiedav2011

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

did poc mean to kick his head, yes or no ?

Wow.
You're really not getting this are you?!

CIARAN_BOYLE

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

did poc mean to kick his head, yes or no ?

no, that doesn't change the fact that the laws of the game don't mention intent. He didn't show any care for Kearney and didn't make any effort to avoid kicking Kearney in the head.

It was reckless and dangerous.

neilmulvey

Rougies wrote: »

It looks to me like DK may have been knocked out from the fall even before POC kicked him in the head. It looks like a textbook "fencing response" after he hit the ground, when the whole body goes stiff as a board and the arms move on their own. That was my initial thought watching it live, and looking at the video it seems like a good possibility.

It usually happens to fighters when they get hit in the jaw and the head is twisted violently, causing the brainstem to "disconnect" the brain from the body for a short time. If you look at the video DK's head gets twisted pretty badly as he hits the ground and then he seems to stiffen up. It just doesn't look natural the way his body moves on the ground.

This has nothing to do the the POC incident right afterwards, just an observation

see what your saying but he was trying to place the ball and with his left arm he did appear to me anyway to be moving the ball away from himself to place it for his team-mates

mfceiling

bluelegend wrote: »

POC was on the edge all night tonight as his mouthing at Owens clearly illustrated. He was having a storming game as a player of his class does when playing in that edge. The problem arises when a player goes over the edge and it us clear he did. The word 'clumsy' has been used on here a lot. No way. If he was looking in the other direction or could not see where DKs head was then maybe it could be classified as clumsy. But he knew that to get to the ball he had to go through DKs head and he did it. Because he was playing on the edge and went over it in a split second. So unfortunately he deserves a minimum 4 week ban. No excuses.

Bit of an over reaction? No way did POC make the split decision to fly hack the ball and decide to hoof DK's head to get to the ball.

JRant

Rougies wrote: »

It looks to me like DK may have been knocked out from the fall even before POC kicked him in the head. It looks like a textbook "fencing response" after he hit the ground, when the whole body goes stiff as a board and the arms move on their own. That was my initial thought watching it live, and looking at the video it seems like a good possibility.

It usually happens to fighters when they get hit in the jaw and the head is twisted violently, causing the brainstem to "disconnect" the brain from the body for a short time. If you look at the video DK's head gets twisted pretty badly as he hits the ground and then he seems to stiffen up. It just doesn't look natural the way his body moves on the ground.

This has nothing to do the the POC incident right afterwards, just an observation

Pretty sure DK was still compos mentis while lying on the ground. He seemed to have his head raised and was trying to place the ball back. He was however out cold once the boot connected.

KELTICKNIGHTT

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Wow.
You're really not getting this are you?!

thats your best answer
so did poc mean to kick the leinster players head

MolBee

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

did poc mean to kick his head, yes or no ?

If the question is did he intend to cause harm to Kearney, the answer is probably no. But not considering in the moment if he would cause harm is what would get him in trouble for this. He had a clear view of where his head was, so it can't be considered accidental, even if there was no intent to harm. Surely this is obvious.

KELTICKNIGHTT

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

no, that doesn't change the fact that the laws of the game don't mention intent. He didn't show any care for Kearney and didn't make any effort to avoid kicking Kearney in the head.

It was reckless and dangerous.

we all have our views and it will be decided next week im sure
but i don't believe poc should be cited or banned

wicklowwonder

Think about it this way if someone like Dylan Hartley did the same v Ireland there would be calls on here for life bans etc.

POC I am sure is sorry and regrets his actions but if he meant it or not, it still deserved a red card and should be cited and should be banned for 4 weeks minimum.

yosser hughes

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

did poc mean to kick his head, yes or no ?

You've proven my point. you just do not know the laws of the game, yet you seem to think your opinion on this has merit. Stop embarrassing yourself. There's a good lad.

KELTICKNIGHTT

MolBee wrote: »

If the question is did he intend to cause harm to Kearney, the answer is probably no. But not considering in the moment if he would cause harm is what would get him in trouble for this. He had a clear view of where his head was, so it can't be considered accidental, even if there was no intent to harm. Surely this is obvious.

so you believe he should be cited and i don't , we disagree

KERSPLAT!

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Wow.
You're really not getting this are you?!

Sometimes its better to just give up, for your own sanity if nothing else

KELTICKNIGHTT

yosser hughes wrote: »

You've proven my point. you just do not know the laws of the game, yet you seem to think your opinion on this has merit. Stop embarrassing yourself. There's a good lad.

so far you don't seem to make good points so far?
was there intend on poc to kick leinster players head , yes or no

KELTICKNIGHTT

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

Sometimes its better to just give up, for your own sanity if nothing else

good , thank you
we agree to disagree
as it will be decided next week and not on boards thank god

CIARAN_BOYLE

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

so far you don't seem to make good points so far?
was there intend on poc to kick leinster players head , yes or no

The laws don't require intent. God knows that there would be a lot less bans if they did. Accidental high tackles and accidental tip tackles receive bans regularly. Why should a kick to head be different???

Hottowel

I think you can tell a lot by the reaction of the leinster players. If they felt it was dirty play by POC I think they would have had a real go at POC.

Because it looks so bad on TV he may well be citied I hope not as he needs game time.

I actually don't think he did his captaincy claims a huge amount of good tonight. Where POC is great as a leader is similar to BOD leading by example. I think he's poor at communicating to the Ref. He argues too often (same as Jamie Heaslip). In contrast Leo Cullen is good at talking to the Ref. Gatland more or less said his leader is going to be in the pack (rugby club, sky sports). I am by no means saying Cullen is going on a lions tour before someone jumps on me.:)

Thought POM had a monster game again today. Everytime he plays he's pushing closer to lions spot, I don't think he'll get it as it's just such a competitive area. Kearney was outshone by Felix Jones, everytime Kearney plays he pushes himself further away from the plane hopefully he starts to hit form soon. Zebo for me is on the plane.

trouttrout

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

so far you don't seem to make good points so far?
was there intend on poc to kick leinster players head , yes or no

Jesus man, stop trying to base your argument for POC not getting cited around this. Its been explained to you countless times that it doesn't matter in the slightest if he meant it or not.

neilmulvey

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

was there intend on poc to kick leinster players head , yes or no

having watched it over and over, i am starting to think there was intent. Just my opinion.

CatFromHue

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

so far you don't seem to make good points so far?
was there intend on poc to kick leinster players head , yes or no

It doesn't matter if there was intent though.

Think back to countless examples of high tackles or tip tackles where the player was carded/penalised/cited where there was no intent.

ANXIOUS

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

so you believe he should be cited and i don't , we disagree

Why should he not be cited? The citing commissioner doesn't take into account intent. That will be taken into account by the disciplinary commision. Can you agree that he broke a rule in rugby by kicking a player regardless of intent?

yosser hughes

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

so far you don't seem to make good points so far?
was there intend on poc to kick leinster players head , yes or no

Do you mean was there intent? How would |I know? I can't read Paul O'Connell's mind! Either way,it is irrelevant. You don't seem to understand this.

KELTICKNIGHTT

trouttrout wrote: »

Jesus man, stop trying to base your argument for POC not getting cited around this. Its been explained to you countless times that it doesn't matter in the slightest if he meant it or not.

was there intent by poc too kick leinster player , yes or no,

we all have our views weather or not he should be cited or not,

bluelegend

mfceiling wrote: »

Bit of an over reaction? No way did POC make the split decision to fly hack the ball and decide to hoof DK's head to get to the ball.

How do you know what he was thinking then? All I am saying when a player is so pumped a decision to kick a ball may be made whilst ignoring the head that's in the way.

KELTICKNIGHTT

yosser hughes wrote: »

Do you mean was there intent? How would |I know? I can't read Paul O'Connell's mind! Either way,it is irrelevant. You don't seem to understand this.

they will review the video next wee and decide based on rules to weather poc should be cited or not, and not here
a leinster supporter will say poc should be cited/ banned , other will not,,

thomond2006

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

was there intent by poc too kick leinster player , yes or no,

we all have our views weather or not he should be cited or not,

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT INTENT, EARTH TO KELTICKKNIGHTT

lologram

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

they will review the video next wee and decide based on rules to weather poc should be cited or not, and not here
a leinster supporter will say poc should be cited/ banned , other will not,,

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

P_1

TBH I can't see either
a) Leinster making a complaint
b) The Rabbo organisers making a complaint
due to politics and all that

KELTICKNIGHTT

thomond2006 wrote: »

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT INTENT, EARTH TO KELTICKKNIGHTT

earth to thomond
think its still a free country to make our points of views regardless weather others agree or not
they will review video next week and decide

totallegend

P_1 wrote: »

TBH I can't see either
a) Leinster making a complaint
b) The Rabbo organisers making a complaint
due to politics and all that

There is a citing commissioner

trouttrout

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

earth to thomond
think its still a free country to make our points of views regardless weather others agree or not
they will review video next week and decide

Well if you've nothing more to add to the discussion other than "did he mean to do it yes or no" why post?

thomond2006

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

earth to thomond
think its still a free country to make our points of views regardless weather others agree or not
they will review video next week and decide

now that's a cop out and a half

so basically you're saying we shouldn't discuss anything ever because we have no influence. (refering to your other post!)

Have you anything else to offer? Jesus I don't mind someone disagreeing but at least back it up with something. I want my views challenged!

Dave_The_Sheep

There's no point arguing with people sometimes. This being one of those times.

Hagz

I'm not usually one to get pedantic about grammar, in fact I have a strong dislike for those who do, but this is just taking the p!ss.

badbeatcentral

MADIGAN IS GODIGAN

MolBee

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

earth to thomond
think its still a free country to make our points of views regardless weather others agree or not
they will review video next week and decide

Yes true, but we're talking about the rules of the game and trying to express to you that some rules of the game can't be interpreted in a subjective manner, like whether intent is relevant when you injure a player through reckless play....

decisions

Has ak. posted a pic of his bird yet?

trouttrout

decisions wrote: »

Has ak. posted a pic of his bird yet?

Yes he his, and yes, she's a dinger

thomond2006

badbeatcentral wrote: »

MADIGAN IS GODIGAN

Keatley is...

What rhymes?!

decisions

MolBee wrote: »

Yes true, but we're talking about the rules of the game and trying to express to you that some rules of the game can't be interpreted in a subjective manner, like whether intent is relevant when you injure a player through reckless play....

Ah, but you see they arent rules, they are laws.

KERSPLAT!

thomond2006 wrote: »

now that's a cop out and a half

so basically you're saying we shouldn't discuss anything ever because we have no influence. (refering to your other post!)

Have you anything else to offer? Jesus I don't mind someone disagreeing but at least back it up with something. I want my views challenged!

Your barking up the wrong tree so.

mfceiling

bluelegend wrote: »

How do you know what he was thinking then? All I am saying when a player is so pumped a decision to kick a ball may be made whilst ignoring the head that's in the way.

Do you believe POC saw the ball beside DK's head and decided to kick DK in the head instead?

KELTICKNIGHTT

thomond2006 wrote: »

now that's a cop out and a half

so basically you're saying we shouldn't discuss anything ever because we have no influence. (refering to your other post!)

Have you anything else to offer? Jesus I don't mind someone disagreeing but at least back it up with something. I want my views challenged!

I'm saying we all have our points of view
if leinster supporter , i would expect they look for poc to be banned
i don't believe poc should be ,, warned at most ,

trouttrout

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

I'm saying wre all have our points of view
if leinster supporter , i would expect they look for poc to be banned
i don't believe poc should be ,, warned at most ,

but POC banned Leinster for intent, but if not we decide

Chabals Beard

I ma only home now. Was fairly happy with the performance in places but the news about POC has put a desperate downer on things. Will he miss the semi vs Clermont?

decisions

decisions wrote: »

Has ak. posted a pic of his bird yet?

nope

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/1887/249316.jpg

edit: don't embed, photo's too big!

MolBee

thomond2006 wrote: »

Keatley is...

What rhymes?!

...... Neatley?

thomond2006

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

I'm saying wre all have our points of view
if leinster supporter , i would expect they look for poc to be banned
i don't believe poc should be ,, warned at most ,

ah if you're just going to go down "the evil Leinster fans" route then good luck to you.

I've never heard of a "warning" when it comes to disciplinary hearings. What we want to gleam from you is why you believe O'Connell shouldn't be banned. And please come back with more than "We're all entitled to have an opinion". Believe me, this is genuine. Not trying to wind you up.

P_1

MolBee wrote: »

...... Neatley?

Discreetly?

TheGoldenAges

Anyone else think of Declan Kidney instead of Dave Kearney every time someone says "DK" :pac:

trouttrout

Deleted User wrote: »

nope

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/1887/249316.jpg

edit: don't embed, photo's too big!

Jesus, it was like she was in the room with me!