[Constitutional Convention][6][18 May / 8 June 2013] Review Electoral System

expectationlost

well this is being discussed now because of the seanad referendum, dare i even mention it!
because scrapping the seanad puts a focus on what is up with the dail and if you can get a more national approach to legislation there now

was reading about the various options and would like maybe a Mixed-member proportional representation part national open list with dual candidates, where you can vote locally on your preference of the list candidates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_list

PRAF

expectationlost wrote: »

well this is being discussed now because of the seanad referendum, dare i even mention it!
because scrapping the seanad puts a focus on what is up with the dail and if you can get a more national approach to legislation there now

was reading about the various options and would like maybe a Mixed-member proportional representation part national open list with dual candidates, where you can vote locally on your preference of the list candidates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_list

I think you're a bit late - this ship has sailed. The CC has considered the electoral system and decided that the current status quo is just fine. IIRC, their main recommendation was to have slightly larger constituencies. Ironically, this will most likely lead to even more parish pump politics

A missed opportunity to reform our broken system

Cookie_Monster

PRAF wrote: »

I think you're a bit late - this ship has sailed. The CC has considered the electoral system and decided that the current status quo is just fine. IIRC, their main recommendation was to have slightly larger constituencies. Ironically, this will most likely lead to even more parish pump politics

A missed opportunity to reform our broken system

Too right.
The whole thing has been pretty pointless as far as I can see and has just become part of that same system, overrunning the initial timespan and no doubt overrunning costs and expenses as a result.

expectationlost

i don't how people outside the convention can find out the thinking that was going on at the tables by the ordinary members, I guess the Q&A videos, now i have to search through lots of video and see if anyone asked a question on the number of TDs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRQlN9WzQcU most Qs on MMP and lists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW1CuYRmLWo electoral admin, commission?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMb3UMDuUsk debate on our STV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFMGDNpKMo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mespnyo0kaY set constitueny sizeat 5 Q at 8 minutes answer at 12 mins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoVN2CLo2Vk

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL92kX-7mhSXP91pDZ-8stOvkFKC77XxI_ playlist of electoral reform 29 videos so far

ranger i think you said before you might has missed that weekend?


dual candidate Q 8/6/13

RangeR

expectationlost wrote: »

i don't how people outside the convention can find out the thinking that was going on at the tables by the ordinary members, I guess the Q&A videos, now i have search through lots of video and see if anyone asked a question on the number of TDs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRQlN9WzQcU most Qs and MMP and lists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW1CuYRmLWo electoral admin

ranger i think you said before you might has missed that weekend?


dual candidate Q 8/6/13

Yeah, I could only make the first weekend [May].

As for the 66 asking questions... To be frank, most of the questions are asked in the private sessions, during round table. I'm sure there are many reasons for this. For may part [and I do ask some public questions and I'm sure they are all on the YouTube channel] it's all about when I think of the question. In Round Table, I'll question what someone says there and then. And that's the nature of it, most of the discussion is held in private. Also a lot of the calling out of BS from some of the speakers, privately. Don't think that we can't see through most of their propaganda and spin.

In round table, when a question is asked, that can't be answered by the people at that table, one of the experts in that field is asked to come over and discuss. In my experience, so far, those experts have given impartial answers OR answered twice, from either side of the perspective etc.

Some of the 66 are too shy to speak in public, in front of the cameras.

expectationlost

could somebody tell is the slightly looser whip in the UK entirely to do with single seat constituencies, ie that the party candidate have to represent a broader view so then they are allowed to occasionally vote against party without automatically being kicked out, (although sometimes they are, or lose their additional positions)

expectationlost

the constituency commission decided on 158 seats its said becuase that was as low as he could get without too radical a change, maybe that why you chose 159+ numberm but you weren't as restricted dealing in theory as constituency commission was dealing in practicality
http://www.constituency-commission.ie/cc/cc-report.html http://www.constituency-commission.ie/cc/docs/Constit-Rep-2012-Chap-3.pdf dail size
the convention is about constitutional change ie changing the ratio to allow below 150 but it seems they were asked about change in general but i don't know why they didn't consider getting to as close to the current allowable ratio as possible 153

expectationlost

videos that included size issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLqC93yVSME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI3O8voKEcY size Q&A etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFg5HydwBrU


where the floor q and a video

expectationlost

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O_rSvxXJvU this is one of the videos i think i need to watch and i can't get it to load, agh