3rd spot relegation ?

DM360

Friend's being very lenient, letting Swansea foul a lot. Doesn't excuse outrageously bad defending for 2 goals.

I can't watch anymore. That last goal was so bad it's killed my desire to continue watching

Morzadec

Stoke

Sacramento wrote: »

A few, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal...

Is he good enough?

I wouldn't imagine he'd get near Chelsea and Arsenal and even at Liverpool I'd wonder is he an upgrade on Henderson/Allen?

Morzadec

Stoke

CSF wrote: »

Think Wigan are gone if they don't get at least a point here. The point might do them, if Newcastle don't win any of their last 2, which isn't impossible.

Yeah they really need at least a point.

Even the point would be huge - they'd likely leave themselves with a chance.

I said before that 4 points could be touch and go for them so they need to at least reach that. Therefore a point tonight is a must or they're relying on getting something against Arsenal.

Kirby

Sunderland

Morzadec wrote: »

Is he good enough?

I wouldn't imagine he'd get near Chelsea and Arsenal and even at Liverpool I'd wonder is he an upgrade on Henderson/Allen?

Chelsea play with Mikel, Arsenal play with Ramsey. Both are midfielders who are inferior to McCarthy in nearly any facet you can think of.

However I'd rather see him go to a team where he would be assured of a starting spot every week....Fulham maybe.

9 added minutes in the Wigan game.

Local_Chap

I can't understand why Stam didn't come back on, it's not as if he had a broken leg. He could of at least stood up front for the last 10 minutes

Jelle1880

Surely a world record for the fastest substitution ?

Morzadec

Morzadec wrote: »

Is he good enough?

I wouldn't imagine he'd get near Chelsea and Arsenal and even at Liverpool I'd wonder is he an upgrade on Henderson/Allen?

I'd say he'd be a good addition to Arsenal, in fact, he'd be a good addition to Man Utd. He would improve Liverpool for sure too. Chelsea I'd say will get some superstars during the summer, they always do. McCarthy isn't their type of signing.

artanevilla

Sunderland

Stoke safe.

Chucky the tree

Kirby wrote: »

Chelsea play with Mikel, Arsenal play with Ramsey. Both are midfielders who are inferior to McCarthy in nearly any facet you can think of.

However I'd rather see him go to a team where he would be assured of a starting spot every week....Fulham maybe.

:pac:

Paully D

One step closer. Do the business in Sunday now please lads!

Morzadec

Stoke

artanevilla wrote: »

Stoke safe.

EDIT: Scratch that - wrong calculations

madcabbage

Stoke

Take that Wigan!

Kirby

Sunderland

Chucky the tree wrote: »

:pac:

You are right. Particularly that second point you made, salient doesn't even do it justice. And your concluding paragraph outlining your defense of Ramsey was pure genius.

Oh wait..........

:pac:

legendary.xix

I'm surprised. I would have seen tonight as a better chance of a win that last Saturday. You can never say never with Wigan but they seem down and out. It would be typical of them however to get something against Arsenal but it's unlikely. There only hope appears to be to get above Norwich or Newcastle. All other teams would appear to be safe enough.

Aidric

Norwich

Wigan have gone to the well one too many times. That should be them done. I don't expect Arsenal to slip up against them.

Fowler87

Cheerio Wigan

HazDanz

Norwich

Feel sorry for Wigan tonight but that should be a mental knock out blow losing due to their own jitters.

Should make our game against them a bit easier.

legendary.xix

Aidric wrote: »

Wigan have gone to the well one too many times. That should be them done. I don't expect Arsenal to slip up against them.

It's not likely, I don't expect it to happen but Wigan could do themselves a double favour taking something off Arsenal. It could mean Arsenal needing to beat Newcastle on the last day. Not likely however.

QPR are full of mercenaries, Newcastle probably will get the win they need there.

Kirby

Sunderland

There is no guarantee that Newcaslte, sunderland and norwhich pick up any points at all. It's not over for Wigan yet...........

legendary.xix

Kirby wrote: »

There is no guarantee that Newcaslte, sunderland and norwhich pick up any points at all. It's not over for Wigan yet...........

There isn't alright. I can't see Wigan getting to more than 39 points at best. Sunderland should get at least a point next week to nudge to safety on 39. Norwich and Newcastle with draws at the weekend will not be as safe but it's asking a lot for Wigan to draw away to Arsenal and beat Villa who seem safe.

Morzadec

Stoke

Now more than ever Sunderland and Southampton should consider playing out a draw on the weekend.

Surely both would be safe in that scenario.

A point would really suit both teams very nicely indeed.

pavb2

Morzadec wrote: »

Now more than ever Sunderland and Southampton should consider playing out a draw on the weekend.

Surely both would be safe in that scenario.

A point would really suit both teams very nicely indeed.

Didn't Denmark Sweden do that in one of the World cups? Think a couple of South American teams did the same

thebaz

pavb2 wrote: »

Didn't Denmark Sweden do that in one of the World cups? Think a couple of South American teams did the same

eh, I think we did it back at italia '90 , gainst holland .

batistuta9

Some hope for Wigan?
posted in the Arsenal thread

jester77 wrote: »

So, Mike Dean will referee the Wigan game

Here's his record against the top 6, looks ominous for us.

legendary.xix

Wigan won away to Arsenal late last season. While I can't see them getting anything next week, a shock win or even a surprise draw can't be discounted.

Hammer Archer

Newcastle, Norwich and Sunderland are safe as it stands. Only Villa, and surprisingly, Fulham and Southampton can go down instead of Wigan if things stay as they are

Chucky the tree

What looked to have great last day potential has turned into a disaster. Looks like everything bar 4th will already be decided by the last day.

mike65

Norwich 3-0 :eek: West Brom gone on holiday.

Hammer Archer

And Sunderland are back in the mix.

Rekop dog

legendary.xix wrote: »

Wigan won away to Arsenal late last season. While I can't see them getting anything next week, a shock win or even a surprise draw can't be discounted.

So what you're saying is you wouldn't be surprised by a surprise win?

Sunderland wouldn't want to concede another the way things are going elsewhere

Rekop dog

Sunderland and Southampton are retarded going for a win in that game, the ramifications are far worse if they lose. Convenient draw ftw, means Wigan need a result against Arsenal which is unlikely.

Sunderland dropped from 11th to 17th from conceding that goal :eek:

Ardent

Wigan now need 6 points from their last two games to survive. Looking like a very tall order now, just can't see them getting all 3 points away to Arsenal on Tuesday night.

Hammer Archer

So Norwich and Newcastle are mathematically safe now.
Wigan have to beat Arsenal on Tuesday. If they draw, only a 9 goal swing on the final day with themselves and Sunderland will see them survive.

Paully D

So this is it. Everything has become clearer and in true Sunderland style we've blown our home games and are still in the mix.

If Arsenal beat or draw against Wigan, Wigan are gone. If Wigan beat Arsenal then a win against Villa on the final day will send us down as we are not going to get anything at Spurs so I'd rule everyone else as safe. It's Sunderland vs Wigan now.

COME ON ARSENAL!

G.K.

Hammer Archer wrote: »

So Norwich and Newcastle are mathematically safe now.
Wigan have to beat Arsenal on Tuesday. If they draw, only a 9 goal swing on the final day with themselves and Sunderland will see them survive.

Are they?

Here Precious2

G.K. wrote: »

Are they?

Villa play Wigan on last day so that's correct

G.K.

Just realised that myself. God, revision makes me lose common sense.

LuckyLloyd

legendary.xix wrote: »

Wigan won away to Arsenal late last season. While I can't see them getting anything next week, a shock win or even a surprise draw can't be discounted.

Wigan are done mate. Gonzo.

kensutz

Delighted we saw West Brom off. Hope Wigan go down now, or Villa.

Vurnon San Benito

Get Newcastle and Norwich off that mofo list :cool:

legendary.xix

Paully D wrote: »

So this is it. Everything has become clearer and in true Sunderland style we've blown our home games and are still in the mix.

If Arsenal beat or draw against Wigan, Wigan are gone. If Wigan beat Arsenal then a win against Villa on the final day will send us down as we are not going to get anything at Spurs so I'd rule everyone else as safe. It's Sunderland vs Wigan now.

COME ON ARSENAL!

Aree 1,000% - Sunderland have blown it. Failing to get 4 points from Stoke and Southampton, both home games, is a disaster. We can't have any complaints if we go down.

It is Sunderland vs Wigan in the relegation battle. We need Arsenal to do us a favour. Thankfully they need the win themselves to get back above Spurs and also to give themselves a chance to finish above Chelsea for third place.

Morzadec

Stoke

You Sunderland lads should be rejoicing not complaining.

Safety all but confirmed.

DazMarz

The way results this weekend went, it all but assures Wigan of going down. On Saturday, 4 points might (just might) have done them. Now, it's 6 or nothing. They will not get 2 wins from Arsenal and Villa. One maybe. One win and a draw, again maybe. But not 2 wins.

They will go down holding the FA Cup, and they will be playing in the Europa League from the Championship next season. It was a brilliant few years for them, but it all came to a shuddering halt. The dropped points against Spurs and Swansea in the past few weeks have truly haunted them. Had they won both of those games, they'd be on 40 points. They surrendered leads in both games to go from winning both to drawing in one and losing the other.

jem

Norwich

jem wrote: »

Did the bbc one,
I have newcastle going down on GD by 2 goals, that is with wigan winning tonight 1-0.
Think if they dont they are gone.

Did say that if Wigan didnt beat Swansee they would go down, looks like I am right.

SantryRed

If Wigan had have beaten Swansea it would have been absolute carnage on the final day!!

legendary.xix

SantryRed wrote: »

If Wigan had have beaten Swansea it would have been absolute carnage on the final day!!

True I guess. It was a bad game for them to lose. Still in 10 years they'll remember winning the cup more. I won't write them off just yet though. They did beat Arsenal last year and pulled off a few scalps. Again at the same time, they've dug themselves an awful hole gifting Spurs a point and the losing a must win game to Swansea.

Morzadec

Stoke

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

That is the goal you concede when you simply aren't very good.

Same again for Wigan.

Very difficult to stay in the league when you leak those type of goals.