Clermont vs Munster buildup thread **read post one

Rightwing

Munster by more than 10

Teferi wrote: »

You ability to read only what you want to read is impressive.

Most people weren't arguing anything less than a clumsy challenge. This does not mean it wasn't reckless and showed a complete lack of his duty of care.

I let the professionals decide these matters. It's easy for armchair punters to be shouting this and that.

gosplan

This will be close.

The good thing about Munster being such underdogs is that you know they'll at least turn up on the day.

Claremont to win provided their nerve holds and they let their quality show.

It's there to be bottled though. Pity it's in France.

Teferi

Rightwing wrote: »

I let the professionals decide these matters. It's easy for armchair punters to be shouting this and that.

Ah yes, the "but shure isn't everyone on de internet only gob****es" defence.

Evidence of how weak your argument is.

twinytwo

Munster by more than 10

totallegend wrote: »

If the reports that POC is not to be cited turn out to be accurate, Munster will have been handed a massive and grossly unfair boost. I think I'm going to find myself cheering for Clermont.

Off with ya then, hear its lovely down them parts this time of year

Rightwing

Munster by more than 10

Teferi wrote: »

Ah yes, the "but shure isn't everyone on de internet only gob****es" defence.

Evidence of how weak your argument is.

Well when I read that 'Munster have been handed a massively unfair and gross advantage and they'll be shouting for Clermont' on the back of that, I do come to the conclusion that there is truth in that.

melekalikimaka

Clermont by 1-10

Rightwing wrote: »

I let the professionals decide these matters. It's easy for armchair punters to be shouting this and that.

if you read the rules, and watch the replays


things dont really add up

there are external factors coming into play here that got him off, thats the gripe i have anyway

totallegend

Clermont by 1-10

Rightwing wrote: »

Well when I read that 'Munster have been handed a massively unfair and gross advantage and they'll be shouting for Clermont' on the back of that, I do come to the conclusion that there is truth in that.

Actually, it was "a massive and grossly unfair boost."

Is it a massive boost? Yes. Grossly unfair? Yes.

TBH it's been the reaction of many of the Munster fans on boards to the O'Connell incident that has left more of a sour taste than the incident itself.

Allez les jaunards!

Rightwing

Munster by more than 10

totallegend wrote: »

Actually, it was "a massive and grossly unfair boost."

Is it a massive boost? Yes. Grossly unfair? Yes.

TBH it's been the reaction of many of the Munster fans on boards to the O'Connell incident that has left more of a sour taste than the incident itself.

Allez les jaunards!

Massive boost - yes.
Grossly unfair - no.

wittycynic

Teferi wrote: »

Ah yes, the "but shure isn't everyone on de internet only gob****es" defence.

Evidence of how weak your argument is.

To be fair there has been a lot of nonsense about POC spouted all over these boards and a lot of insinuation that he didn't care whether he injured DK etc, which is patently rubbish. Given that relatively few posters have treated the matter in a calm and reasoned manner, it's not totally surprising that someone would disregard the opinions of forumites en mass.

For what it's worth I believe he should have been cited and faced something approaching the six week ban that was meted out to John Hayes for a not too dissimilar incident a number of years ago.

With that said I don't think that conclusion is obvious, unproblematic, or as straight forward as some posters seem to believe. The citing and disciplinary processes aren't as simple as: someone caused an ugly injury, quick bring the banhammer!

thomond2006

POC is lucky imho. Great that he's available for the semi-final but there should at least have been a hearing. The differing opinions on here about the incident back that up. POC should at least been requested to explain his actions in a formal setting, had he then not been suspended following a hearing I think people would be more accepting. As it is, I disagree with what's happened.

phog

Another thread about to go up in smoke

Grimebox

Clermont by 1-10

We need a dedicated "POC-gate" thread to prevent this one from being poisoned too

thomond2006

phog wrote: »

Another thread about to go up in smoke

Do you have to judge everything phog? If you don't like a post, just report it.

twinytwo

Munster by more than 10

phog wrote: »

Another thread about to go up in smoke

Just wait to see the freaking out that will happen if we manage to win the game

thomond2006

twinytwo wrote: »

Just wait to see the freaking out that will happen if we manage to win the game

Jackass will close his account!

Paddywiggum

twinytwo wrote: »

Just wait to see the freaking out that will happen if we manage to win the game

win the game with a POC dropgoal :pac:

justsomebloke

POC is playing. Get over it. This thread isn't for debating the incident and if it was citable or not

Micky Dolenz

Munster by more than 10

This game can't come quick enough. Already feeling it in my stomach. I'll be a nervous wreak in a couple of weeks

thomond2006

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

This game can't come quick enough. Already feeling it in my stomach. I'll be a nervous wreak in a couple of weeks

Nothing like being a supporter of a team who will be written off.

BGozIE

Munster by 1-10

I think Munster will turn up with a big performance...but calling this is tough, it will be a close 2-3 win for Munster or a close loss by the same margin.

Going for a Munster win and Zebo, POC, POM and Tommy O'Donnell to be at the forefront

totallegend

Clermont by 1-10

Right, back to the game so.

People have been queuing overnight in Clermont to get tickets:


You'd suspect that these are not the sort of guys to be selling them on to Munster fans... A great occasion in prospect.

twinytwo

Munster by more than 10

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

This game can't come quick enough. Already feeling it in my stomach. I'll be a nervous wreak in a couple of weeks

If we win it has to go down as our greatest victory in the HC ever. That said we cant afford to fall off in the last 20, similar to what happened against leinster and let them back in the game.

thomond2006

twinytwo wrote: »

If we win it has to go down as our greatest victory in the HC ever.

Toulouse in 2000? I mean John Hayes got a try, a groundbreaking moment of the professional era! :P

Dave_The_Sheep

Munster by 1-10

It would be an absolutely incredible victory if Munster pull it off - like most, I can't see it happening, but it would be great if they did.

As someone said before, I've mixed feelings going into this one given the games between Leinster and Clermont in the past few years. Bit of a soft spot for Clermont and their fans. Either way, as long as it's a decent game I'll be happy, but Munster winning would be by far a more impressive victory and I'd be delighted for ye.

Best of luck lads!

ionadnapokot

Munster by 1-10

Cant wait for Round 2.



Ding Ding

ionadnapokot

Munster by 1-10

Cudmore to get a yellow must be short enough odds

i fancy O'Connell to get the boot in. oops

totallegend

Clermont by 1-10

thomond2006 wrote: »

Toulouse in 2000? I mean John Hayes got a try, a groundbreaking moment of the professional era! :P

I mean this as a compliment to the 2000 side rather than a slight on the current lads, but they were far superior to the 2013 side. And that was not a vintage Toulouse outfit.

No, if Munster pull this off, it will eclipse pretty much anything that's gone before. You could almost say it would stand alone...

ssaye

Jamie Cudmore ‏@JNCudmore 3h How long for a kick in the head these days ?!

BBDBB

sounds like Monsieur Cudmore didnt fancy round two with Paulie :pac:

Kev_2012

ssaye wrote: »

Jamie Cudmore ‏@JNCudmore 3h How long for a kick in the head these days ?!

What a prick! Hopefully he gets sent off again after another ass whoopin

*EDIT RE INFRACTION*
We were all thinking it, I just said it s'all...

Buer

POC will need to be a bit more measured against Clermont. Hines and Cudmore are going to do everything in their power to get under his skin. He's normally very restrained but it was clear at the weekend that he let things get to him. Cullen wound him up completely for giving away a penalty with some unsavoury pats on the head. POC could be seen mouthing at him and was a bit unhinged for the remainder of the game. Cudmore and Hines are at least as good as Cullen at getting to someone. POC will need to play with some controlled mayhem which is well within his capabilities.

twinytwo

Munster by more than 10

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Cant wait for Round 2.



Ding Ding

was there really a round 1 though? cudmore just got his ass whooped

trouttrout

Buer wrote: »

POC will need to be a bit more measured against Clermont. Hines and Cudmore are going to do everything in their power to get under his skin. He's normally very restrained but it was clear at the weekend that he let things get to him. Cullen wound him up completely for giving away a penalty with some unsavoury pats on the head. POC could be seen mouthing at him and was a bit unhinged for the remainder of the game. Cudmore and Hines are at least as good as Cullen at getting to someone. POC will need to play with some controlled mayhem which is well within his capabilities.

There are many things to be worried about against Clermont, POC's temperament is certainly not one of them

ionadnapokot

Munster by 1-10

Rnd 2:
any excuse for a bit of Queensberry Rules!
Nathan Hines v Donnacha Ryan has a nice ring 2 it

Podge_irl

Clermont by 1-10

trouttrout wrote: »

There are many things to be worried about against Clermont, POC's temperament is certainly not one of them

Owens appeared to lose patience with him on Saturday. Do we know who the ref is for this?

I'd be more concerned about Cudmore or Hines doing something silly in an attempt to wind up POC then about him retaliating.

Buer

trouttrout wrote: »

There are many things to be worried about against Clermont, POC's temperament is certainly not one of them

I would have thought so also but I would have said precisely the same ahead of the Leinster game after which he had conceded a penalty under his own posts, had his team marched back 10m and been involved in an incident that was touch and go for a citing. POC has been known to get exasperated in the past (normally when Poite has been involved). It happens. Hines is an utter nightmare to play against. Cudmore will say anything to get under his skin.

POC being on fire is essential to Munster standing a chance. Allow himself to be distracted and that chance disappears.

Clareman

In case anyone missed the warning in the other threads, any discussion of the incident between PoC's shin/foot and Dave Kearney's head from Saturday night will result in a ban, as this is the third warning I will ban anyone discussing it on here till after the semi-final.

Rightwing

Munster by more than 10

Are we good enough to beat Clermont? Yes we are. Get the tactics right and we'll trouble them, I've absolutely no doubt about that.

Do people from boards ever meet up for away matches?

ed7890

Our backrow seems fairly nailed on, POM TOD and Cawlin, but i'd say the bench spot is still up for grabs. I wouldn't mind seeing Dave O'C in there. Nothing against Butler, i think he's a fine player, but I think Dave has that extra physicality this year that could be great coming off the bench with 10/15 to go.

sock puppet

BBDBB wrote: »

sounds like Monsieur Cudmore didnt fancy round two with Paulie :pac:

I never understand comments like this.

**mod edit Lieboulous comments removed

MugMugs

I am dying for this game.

Yes, there's a good chance you lads are going to be mauled into the ground but there's also a chance that you come good and swipe a win from ASM.

Look at the defence on Saturday from the red.

27 Phases and it took BOD to get through.

With the likes of Zebo out wide and hopefully Keatley and O'Gara paired up 10/11 We could see some nice fast play with points earned off the boot.

Best of luck

twinytwo

Munster by more than 10

MugMugs wrote: »

I am dying for this game.

Yes, there's a good chance you lads are going to be mauled into the ground but there's also a chance that you come good and swipe a win from ASM.

Look at the defence on Saturday from the red.

27 Phases and it took BOD to get through.

With the likes of Zebo out wide and hopefully Keatley and O'Gara paired up 10/11 We could see some nice fast play with points earned off the boot.

Best of luck

Tbf i nearly cried when he came up to the ball, you could see he was going to go straight for the post, and all my shouting at the tv wouldnt make botha move to the left:(

JRant

Clermont will go after ROG in a big way if he starts. Similar to the way Cudmore took Boss out in last years game, I fully expect them to shake his bones hard and repeatedly. In all honesty I fully expect Clermont to be especially 'hard' against them as they will have seen the way Munster played against us and wont stand for half the messing that the Leinster team did. Munster are a dirty/niggly team but getting into an arm wrestle with Clermont wouldn't be a great idea.

I'd love to see Munster win but think Clermont will win by 14+

CrowdedHouse

Munster by more than 10

Munster to win *



* I have almost zero interest in rugby but I like voting in polls

Fireball07

Munster by 1-10

Can't see us winning tbqh.....Clermont are very very very good. If we have everyone possible available, then we do have a very slight chance. It will require heroic defence, an extremely solid set-piece and absolutely no mistakes, taking points at every available opportunity.

Even then, the odds are stacked against us. Clermont have so much depth, so many good players...pace, power, skill, a strong set-piece. Out-half would seem to be their only discernible weakness, we have to get at whoever starts there and hope he has an off-game.

But I'm dreading seeing the likes of Rougerie, Fofana, etc. running at ROG's channel.



I was going to say "still, stranger things have happened..." but no, they haven't. If we win away in France against this Clermont side, with this particular team...it will be the greatest result in Munster's history, bar none. I really really hope we can do it. POC leading a furious pack, Murray sweeping the ball wide for some Zebo magic...you never know.


(I am a Sunderland fan, after last weekend, I believe in miracles)

Rightwing

Munster by more than 10

Fireball07 wrote: »

Can't see us winning tbqh.....Clermont are very very very good. If we have everyone possible available, then we do have a very slight chance. It will require heroic defence, an extremely solid set-piece and absolutely no mistakes, taking points at every available opportunity.

Even then, the odds are stacked against us. Clermont have so much depth, so many good players...pace, power, skill, a strong set-piece. Out-half would seem to be their only discernible weakness, we have to get at whoever starts there and hope he has an off-game.

But I'm dreading seeing the likes of Rougerie, Fofana, etc. running at ROG's channel.



I was going to say "still, stranger things have happened..." but no, they haven't. If we win away in France against this Clermont side, with this particular team...it will be the greatest result in Munster's history, bar none. I really really hope we can do it. POC leading a furious pack, Murray sweeping the ball wide for some Zebo magic...you never know.


(I am a Sunderland fan, after last weekend, I believe in miracles)

Good post, we need to starve them of possession for long periods.

awec

Clermont by 1-10

Is ROG even sure to be playing? No chance of Keatley at 10?

Podge_irl

Clermont by 1-10

I'd be quite worried about Clermont's bench actually. Sheer aggression can get you quite far but its quite taxing. I don't think Quins had anywhere near the same kind of bench to take advantage of a tiring Munster.

Chabals Beard

Imagine if we actually won .. There would anarchy in France

MugMugs

Podge_irl wrote: »

I'd be quite worried about Clermont's bench actually. Sheer aggression can get you quite far but its quite taxing. I don't think Quins had anywhere near the same kind of bench to take advantage of a tiring Munster.

Their bench is almost as scary as their starting 15 in most cases.

I'd say Munster tactics will be attempt to suppress them once they get a few points on the board.