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"I just wanna drink beer and train like an animal"
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You're thinking about it too much.
Actually you may not even see this due to the ignore button but for the next week or two just relax, get on with your training and forget about 2.40 or 2.35 etc etc.
The only form that matters is after mile 20 in Frankfurt.
*Gavlor anxiously awaits to see if Dukeraoul replies to/thanks his post*
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Im going to post something that will be unpopular, and i'll probably get criticised for it. Before I do let me say that this is one of my favourite two logs on boards. Its brave and brutally honest. Like everyone else, I want you to do well, even though youre one of 'them'. I was going to PM you, but thats a bit of a cop-out.
The responses above are all reasonable IMO, and they make really good points about positivity and not over thinking it etc.
However, boards is notorious for this. Its easy to be positive, tell you 'go for it man', 'we believe in you' etc. Its one of the weaknesses of this forum in my view - a collective desire to be positive and 'nice'. People mean well, but it means that the message is nearly always the same. Its fairly rare on here that anyone (unless they are a beginner) is ever advised that their target might be over ambitious. Yet boardsies crash in marathons all the time (i'm a veteran of two myself).
If you put any faith in calculators, then none of your races in the last 4 months indicate that 2:39:59 is possible. Obviously mental toughness and staying positive is very important, but its not like a 5K race, no amount of positivity in the race helps when you have run too fast and your sugar is gone. I think chasing 'round numbers' is the cause of a lot of bad marathons.
Your training has been immense, you are in great condition. I (and everyone else i'd bet) think that you are fitter than your races suggest. You'd need to talk to your coach about it, but personally, Id love to see you set an ambitious target pace that your races indicate is possible but which wont have you anxious beforehand, and then speed up steadily in the last 10K, finishing on a massive high with a huge PB. If i'm wrong that strategy may still allow you to get under the 2:40 - but on your own terms, not by hanging on.
Hope you dont see this as negative. I certainly don't.0 -
theboyblunder wrote: »Im going to post something that will be unpopular, and i'll probably get criticised for it. Before I do let me say that this is one of my favourite two logs on boards. Its brave and brutally honest. Like everyone else, I want you to do well, even though youre one of 'them'. I was going to PM you, but thats a bit of a cop-out.
The responses above are all reasonable IMO, and they make really good points about positivity and not over thinking it etc.
However, boards is notorious for this. Its easy to be positive, tell you 'go for it man', 'we believe in you' etc. Its one of the weaknesses of this forum in my view - a collective desire to be positive and 'nice'. People mean well, but it means that the message is nearly always the same. Its fairly rare on here that anyone (unless they are a beginner) is ever advised that their target might be over ambitious. Yet boardsies crash in marathons all the time (i'm a veteran of two myself).
If you put any faith in calculators, then none of your races in the last 4 months indicate that 2:39:59 is possible. Obviously mental toughness and staying positive is very important, but its not like a 5K race, no amount of positivity in the race helps when you have run too fast and your sugar is gone. I think chasing 'round numbers' is the cause of a lot of bad marathons.
Your training has been immense, you are in great condition. I (and everyone else i'd bet) think that you are fitter than your races suggest. You'd need to talk to your coach about it, but personally, Id love to see you set an ambitious target pace that your races indicate is possible but which wont have you anxious beforehand, and then speed up steadily in the last 10K, finishing on a massive high with a huge PB. If i'm wrong that strategy may still allow you to get under the 2:40 - but on your own terms, not by hanging on.
Hope you dont see this as negative. I certainly don't.
Yup. Completely agree Tbb. Luckily I am ridiculously far from being a numbers guy. I just wan a run the best race I can on the day.... Its been a hell of a training block though and I have a decent feeling about Frankfurt even if races have not gone to plan at all- I'm gonna come up w/ a strategy w/ a pretty decent runner of a coach and we'll have a plan for the day that is realistic and achievable.
Thanks a bunch for the post though- its spot on.0 -
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RunForestRun wrote: »Call me a sadist but I actually miss newbie runner and 123468854366. Hard to beat a bit of drama. That said, I hated to see DrQ, TRR and the likes closing their accounts, all the PC backslapping gets a bit old eventually. Must head back to the rant thread soon to take the pi$$ of somebody
Erm, are you referring to me?
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Chivito550 wrote: »Erm, are you referring to me?
No, I don't think so, there used to be someone with a scatter of numbers in their username who was a serious troll.. At least I think there was.0 -
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Chivito550 wrote: »Erm, are you referring to me?
I though of this tbh
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=876982080 -
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Today 20 miles in 2:18 including 6 (10-16)@ target 6:05
Actual: 6:01, 6:01, 6:00, 5:58, 6:02, 6:04
Ran the MP stuff with DR and have to say felt great- we chatted the whole time and were consciously pulling back the pace ...
Good times.
After the MP miles got to practice the ole in race #2 and in other lovely news my left 2nd toenail is black and possibly gangrenous lol 0 -
Today 20 miles in 2:18 including 6 (10-16)@ target 6:05
Actual: 6:01, 6:01, 6:00, 5:58, 6:02, 6:04
Ran the MP stuff with DR and have to say felt great- we chatted the whole time and were consciously pulling back the pace ...
Good times.
After the MP miles got to practice the ole in race #2 and in other lovely news my left 2nd toenail is black and possibly gangrenous lol
Great session. The nail is also a good sign that you are not going too easy! 0 -
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