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Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

is it not 30,000?

I always thought it was 50?

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I always thought it was 50?

nope 30, i think i have the record at 570

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

is it not 30,000?

Your right.
Penelties are on this

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=bjmTVIiwJefN7QaWhIHoDg&url=https://agrilink.ie/MilkNews/2995GlanbiaLiquidMilkA4.pdf&ved=0CBsQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNH1ZOZIc8guvG_8svjnLe9179rx4A&sig2=KO7RTPq3jA_lKjjmIyBI4w

Injuryprone

jaymla627 wrote: »

Got docked here aswell with milk that was on a 4 day, collection at 84000, the next test was 12,000 and never done a thing different because both tests results came through together....thought 50,000 was the limit bit of a piss take with tbc testing 4 day old milk too even eu regulations have 3 days as the máx milk is ment to stay in a farmers tank

Having trouble here too. Not only did they test a 4 day collection but they took a further 2 days to do the test as the sample had to come back to mallow from wherever they're going with it. They're not testing at weekends either afaik so Friday samples won't be tested til Monday

I came across the following table in a teagasc slideshow to new entrants in 09. According to it tbc goes bananas after 3 days. Think it should be in the supply agreement that tbc tests will be done before milk is 3 days old. Will be bringing it up with my advisor once I get a few more samples tested

Deepsouthwest

Injuryprone wrote: »

Having trouble here too. Not only did they test a 4 day collection but they took a further 2 days to do the test as the sample had to come back to mallow from wherever they're going with it. They're not testing at weekends either afaik so Friday samples won't be tested til Monday

I came across the following table in a teagasc slideshow to new entrants in 09. According to it tbc goes bananas after 3 days. Think it should be in the supply agreement that tbc tests will be done before milk is 3 days old. Will be bringing it up with my advisor once I get a few more samples tested

Tbc normally runs between 10 and 15 here, but was in 20's whenever it was taken from a four day collection this fall. I could be wrong, but I thought the rule was if ur milk is tested on a four day collection, the result was to be divided by 4 and multiplied by 3.

Milked out

DG base 30c\L recieved 36.42 @ 3.78p 4.47bf not including winter bonus

farmer lad

Milked out wrote: »

DG base 30c\L recieved 36.42 @ 3.78p 4.47bf not including winter bonus

What's winter bonus with dairygold?

al22

What I heard recently - Irish agriculture can not produce milk and most other staff at competitive prices. Italian produced milk cost only 0.12-0.14 euro per litre. Irish milk - is not possible to produce at these prices.

red bull

al22 wrote: »

What I heard recently - Irish agriculture can not produce milk and most other staff at competitive prices. Italian produced milk cost only 0.12-0.14 euro per litre. Irish milk - is not possible to produce at these prices.

Short answer ... NO
Did you hear that in a pub ?

Milked out

farmer lad wrote: »

What's winter bonus with dairygold?

5.6c/L paid in feb milk cheque for Nov to feb inclusive

stanflt

Milked out wrote: »

5.6c/L paid in feb milk cheque for Nov to feb inclusive

Is that on all milk delivered or just a contract

Nice earner if on all milk

Milked out

stanflt wrote: »

Is that on all milk delivered or just a contract

Nice earner if on all milk

No it's 30% max of 09/10 base supply, id prefer the 8c frazzledhome and others are getting tho. Will look to reduce the fresh calvers and milk on the spring calvers in order to keep the manufacturing price up a bit for winter months. Will most likely be 2016 season before that happens

frazzledhome

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/64601838/drought-builds-in-south-canterbury

trixi2011

frazzledhome wrote: »

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/64601838/drought-builds-in-south-canterbury

Be a lot better for us if the drought was in North Island

freedominacup

trixi2011 wrote: »

Be a lot better for us if the drought was in North Island

I thought someone posted a link a short while ago about wet weather causing difficulties in that region in Nov.

freedominacup

trixi2011 wrote: »

Be a lot better for us if the drought was in North Island

I thought someone posted a link a short while ago about wet weather causing difficulties in that region in Nov.

Greengrass1

Bf 5.1
P 3.62
SCC 99
20l
Really motoring now

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Bf 5.1
P 3.62
SCC 99
20l
Really motoring now

Good solids but 20 ltrs would be regarded as only first maby second gear here.shouldnt ur winter cows be hitting 25 at this stage?

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Good solids but 20 ltrs would be regarded as only first maby second gear here.shouldnt ur winter cows be hitting 25 at this stage?

Be inclined to agree.
Our stales are doing
15
5 fat
3.9 p
Scc 110

Good silage a 4kg 16% nut

Another gang for dry off tomorrow, pity really

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

Be inclined to agree.
Our stales are doing
15
5 fat
3.9 p
Scc 110

Good silage a 4kg 16% nut

Another gang for dry off tomorrow, pity really

That's serious going for stale or late cows,must be 6 euro plus of milk daily with ur liquid contract etc

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Good solids but 20 ltrs would be regarded as only first maby second gear here.shouldnt ur winter cows be hitting 25 at this stage?

Lots of activity going on re bulling last week. Two nearly every second day. Kind of upsets whole shed I'm putting it down to that. good few heifers aswell. And few empties and april calvers in mix. Not too pushed about milk with quota

Timmaay

mahoney_j wrote: »

Good solids but 20 ltrs would be regarded as only first maby second gear here.shouldnt ur winter cows be hitting 25 at this stage?

With a diet of just average grass and flat rate parlour fed meal it's about as good as he can hope for. My autumn ladies are not doing much better despite having maize and FTY nuts (up to 6kg). It's a large reason for cutting right back on the autumn calvers.

Greengrass1

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Lots of activity going on re bulling last week. Two nearly every second day. Kind of upsets whole shed I'm putting it down to that. good few heifers aswell. And few empties and april calvers in mix. Not too pushed about milk with quota

85% served. In 17 days. After missing one cow never came bulling. Not too many to get now. Having very very good heats

Cow Porter

Timmaay wrote: »

With a diet of just average grass and flat rate parlour fed meal it's about as good as he can hope for. My autumn ladies are not doing much better despite having maize and FTY nuts (up to 6kg). It's a large reason for cutting right back on the autumn calvers.

what protein nut are you feeding tim? any grass silage??

dar31

Greengrass1 wrote: »

85% served. In 17 days. After missing one cow never came bulling. Not too many to get now. Having very very good heats

80. % seen bulling. 0% served, 100% spring calving for 2015, will see what it's all about, will hang on to baileys contract and small bit of liquid, spent last five years getting cows and grass right to make the change

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

85% served. In 17 days. After missing one cow never came bulling. Not too many to get now. Having very very good heats

Good going to get so many in heat but the proof is in how many hold after 21 days.would u not be a tad concerned though at your average yield of 20 ltrs though,Surely it should be closer to 25.could be way off but sounds like they ain't getting enough energy at that level ,solids fairly good in fairness

whelan2

mahoney_j wrote: »

Good going to get so many in heat but the proof is in how many hold after 21 days.would u not be a tad concerned though at your average yield of 20 ltrs though,Surely it should be closer to 25.could be way off but sounds like they ain't getting enough energy at that level ,solids fairly good in fairness

what's your milk urea greengrass? i have had 5 repeats so far , ai for 3 weeks and bull in 2 weeks.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Good going to get so many in heat but the proof is in how many hold after 21 days.would u not be a tad concerned though at your average yield of 20 ltrs though,Surely it should be closer to 25.could be way off but sounds like they ain't getting enough energy at that level ,solids fairly good in fairness

I would be if quota wasn't there
but yes they should be at 25.
Reckon there at 22 and stales less than 15.
Hopefully it will be like what it used to be with very few repeats. Looking forward to see how it goes. Technician says there in as good condition as he's vseen in other places

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

what's your milk urea greengrass? i have had 5 repeats so far , ai for 3 weeks and bull in 2 weeks.

25. Where it should be isn't it?

Greengrass1

dar31 wrote: »

80. % seen bulling. 0% served, 100% spring calving for 2015, will see what it's all about, will hang on to baileys contract and small bit of liquid, spent last five years getting cows and grass right to make the change

Dad tempted to buy liquid contract here. Loads will be doing what your doing from next yrs on. Milk everything for 300 days.
Be interesting to see if you make any more money

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dad tempted to buy liquid contract here. Loads will be doing what your doing from next yrs on. Milk everything for 300 days.
Be interesting to see if you make any more money

I reckon there could be more money in what frazzled and dar are at than having fresh autumn calvers.no calves to rear and just milk on culls and late calvers .frazz stales are milking 15 ltrs at say 45 cent a ltrs is nearly 7 euro per cow per day.that cow won't have the same diet requirement as fresh calvers and less hassle.culls would also be in super nic at there dry off time and command good money in mart.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

I reckon there could be more money in what frazzled and dar are at than having fresh autumn calvers.no calves to rear and just milk on culls and late calvers .frazz stales are milking 15 ltrs at say 45 cent a ltrs is nearly 7 euro per cow per day.that cow won't have the same diet requirement as fresh calvers and less hassle.culls would also be in super nic at there dry off time and command good money in mart.

True. I think I'll get sr as good as I can Ger it first then decide what to do with winter milk. Doubt I'm loosing money in it tbh

dar31

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dad tempted to buy liquid contract here. Loads will be doing what your doing from next yrs on. Milk everything for 300 days.
Be interesting to see if you make any more money

Not budgeting for making more money , just an easier life, more family time watch the kids grow up, better social life

For the last week rather than chasing cows bulling and ai ing, been bring the girls milking and moving kale, thought two if them to drive quad, they have been queuing up in the morning to go to work, they are trying to work out the logistics of when they go back to school
Left it to them to find solution
Something's are beyond money and profit

Deepsouthwest

dar31 wrote: »

Not budgeting for making more money , just an easier life, more family time watch the kids grow up, better social life

For the last week rather than chasing cows bulling and ai ing, been bring the girls milking and moving kale, thought two if them to drive quad, they have been queuing up in the morning to go to work, they are trying to work out the logistics of when they go back to school
Left it to them to find solution
Something's are beyond money and profit

Have seen an awful lot of my kids for the last 6 wks since the cows were dried off, and really enjoyed every minute of it. I'll be sad when feb 1st comes and back to crazy hrs. Watched the farm safety piece on the news tonight, and while I totally agree on a safety point of view, it looks like the focus now is going to be on children not being anywhere near the farmyard. I know it's for the better good, but I like my kids to have an idea what I do every day, and also think it's good for them to see a little bit of life on the farm. Sorry for going WAY off topic!!

Timmaay

Dar/DSW, fully agreed on the labour issue, Xmas week last yr I remember jacking out calves from 3yr old heifers at 2am, we had at least one heifer to train every week in the parlour from Nov right through to April, did my head in by the end of it. Only had one very handy calving in Dec this year, and nothing until Jan 22nd now, outa the farm at 6pm and only getup at 8am. And we have supplied 25% more solids this year with the same numbers, they milk much better on grass.

Cow Porter wrote: »

what protein nut are you feeding tim? any grass silage??

18%P , about 50:50 grass/maize silage (dm ratio). Last time I was talking to the feed sales rep he suggested a 50:50 mix with a 25%p balancer nut as a possible solution, when we worked through the sums it would have cost an extra 250e for 10ton, if it resulted in an extra litre per cow for the 60 days the 10t would last me it would be worth about 900 in extra milk sales! Sounds like a no brainer but with a looming SL I decided not to bother. In any case however, two of the autumn calvers have utterly melted, definitely no point feeding them more protein!

Timmaay

Just looked at the last milk collection tests, protein down to 3.36 and urea 17. Energy deficit of some sort in the diet surely?

Greengrass1

Ran out of cows meal here yesterday (16%) rep said okay to give them heifers meal (18%).
There up a bit in milk this morning a nice bit now..
So I worked out what protein there diet is
On the 6 kgs 16% and silage there duet is a little over 13%
In the 6 KGS 18% and silage there died is exactly 14%.
That would cut a good lump of milk out of them. By the look of that cows surely have capacity to do more than 25l at peak

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

Just looked at the last milk collection tests, protein down to 3.36 and urea 17. Energy deficit of some sort in the diet surely?

wouldnt really read anything into the milk urea, a few people i have spoken to recently said their milk urea is very inconsistent at the minute, mine is going from 15-32 this last while pr at 3.47 at the minute

Deepsouthwest

I'm amazed by some of the protein results u winter milk guys are posting here, I'm all spring so no experience of it, but I always thought winter milk protein was stuck at little over 3%. I was also led to believe(as a spring calver) that silage suppressed protein and only grass would lift it. Yet when my cows are out day in night in early april on plenty lush green second rotation grass, my protein is barely 3.2 or 3.3 and butterfat barely hitting the 3.5's. How's this?

stanflt

Cows avg 21 here at 4.54 f and 3.57 p

Only 30% autumn calvers in that mix

Cows getting avg 2.7 kg 16 % nut he in parlour- some getting 8 doing over 40 litres

Winter milkers avg 38 litres

A hell of a lot of cows to go dry shortly and I'm starting to worry that holding them back to calve mid to late march won't kill me next year

Deepsouthwest

stanflt wrote: »

Cows avg 21 here at 4.54 f and 3.57 p

Only 30% autumn calvers in that mix

Cows getting avg 2.7 kg 16 % nut he in parlour- some getting 8 doing over 40 litres

Winter milkers avg 38 litres

A hell of a lot of cows to go dry shortly and I'm starting to worry that holding them back to calve mid to late march won't kill me next year

Case in point right here, these are incredible figures

mf240

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'm amazed by some of the protein results u winter milk guys are posting here, I'm all spring so no experience of it, but I always thought winter milk protein was stuck at little over 3%. I was also led to believe(as a spring calver) that silage suppressed protein and only grass would lift it. Yet when my cows are out day in night in early april on plenty lush green second rotation grass, my protein is barely 3.2 or 3.3 and butterfat barely hitting the 3.5's. How's this?

Good silage and a few stale cows thrown in the mix are helping the winter protiens.

And in april the high protien grass is driving milk volume and diluting your solids a little.

mahoney_j

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'm amazed by some of the protein results u winter milk guys are posting here, I'm all spring so no experience of it, but I always thought winter milk protein was stuck at little over 3%. I was also led to believe(as a spring calver) that silage suppressed protein and only grass would lift it. Yet when my cows are out day in night in early april on plenty lush green second rotation grass, my protein is barely 3.2 or 3.3 and butterfat barely hitting the 3.5's. How's this?

I had came problem in April most years,it's a combination of lush green grass with little or no fibre and it flows through cows,made a few changes offer straw ,hi energy nut maize based and something like beet pulp or hulls in the mix as well ive whole crop this year which I plan on buffering in through March /April so it'll be interesting to see how that goes with grass .also you'd proably have a lot of cows around 6 weeks calved and there would be a natural lull.
As for the silage not winter milking either but I'd imagine if feeding surplus bales(2/4 bale per acre stuff) quality should be nearly as good as grazed grass.real stemmy grass in silage would do the same as if you were grazing that type of stuff in normal season,depress yield,protein and give higher fat.

Deepsouthwest

mf240 wrote: »

Good silage and a few stale cows thrown in the mix are helping the winter protiens.

And in april the high protien grass is driving milk volume and diluting your solids a little.

That's what I always thought, but have u seen the figures Stan just quoted, they're incredible. I know he's farming at a super high level but still. My high milk volume in April is still only going to be around 25/26litres with pathetic pr and bf.

Timmaay

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'm amazed by some of the protein results u winter milk guys are posting here, I'm all spring so no experience of it, but I always thought winter milk protein was stuck at little over 3%. I was also led to believe(as a spring calver) that silage suppressed protein and only grass would lift it. Yet when my cows are out day in night in early april on plenty lush green second rotation grass, my protein is barely 3.2 or 3.3 and butterfat barely hitting the 3.5's. How's this?

Only 14 out of the 52 I'm milking are Autumn, in around 25%, so that's why I wouldn't be hugely happy with 3.26%p. Liquid milk is paid on solids now also so I can't just ignore solids during the winter. We use to regularly hit proteins of 2.7 or lower in the late winter/early spring before, a mix of breeding for EBI and solids, alongside alot better feeding has thankfully solved that. I'm wondering if I'm back to 3.36%p, how low will it crash to when the most of the late calvers get dried of over the next few weeks.

April protein 3.4, and fat 3.9 here last year, that's a diet of lush grass and FTY up to 8kg in the parlour of a low P (14%) nut, with a decent few mature cows hitting the 40L+. When I contrast that to the current performance it makes me want to push the whole lot of the autumn calvers around to the spring.

Timmaay

mahoney_j wrote: »

I had came problem in April most years,it's a combination of lush green grass with little or no fibre and it flows through cows,made a few changes offer straw ,hi energy nut maize based and something like beet pulp or hulls in the mix as well ive whole crop this year which I plan on buffering in through March /April so it'll be interesting to see how that goes with grass

Buffer feeding into March and April is something I'm considering also, I'm hesitant about it I'll admit because the maize at 55e/ton is not cheap feed, and who knows what price for milk Glanbia will pull outa their arse next April. Long term breeding out these HOs with 400kg+ of milk, to be replaced with a smaller more robust cow would be the aim, and keep my system simple, One man labour unit with 120/130 low maintenance cows is the aim for on my milking block.

mf240

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

That's what I always thought, but have u seen the figures Stan just quoted, they're incredible. I know he's farming at a super high level but still. My high milk volume in April is still only going to be around 25/26litres with pathetic pr and bf.

Stans cows are very well bred and he has them on a fair diet. Hell list it for us if we ask nicely. Plus theres 70 % spring calvers in the mix.

stanflt

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

That's what I always thought, but have u seen the figures Stan just quoted, they're incredible. I know he's farming at a super high level but still. My high milk volume in April is still only going to be around 25/26litres with pathetic pr and bf.

Don't always believe what you read- come for a visit and see for yourself

It's also a lot to do with breeding and using the right type of bull

I remember years ago when Ebi came out we advertised bulls for sale with high Ebi and high type and high milk- people said we would ruin our herd

I don't think think we did and these are the same lads that want to move to strathroy, don't want to get paid on a b-c and can't get a compact calving cause no control on fertility

Coonagh

stanflt wrote: »

Don't always believe what you read- come for a visit and see for yourself

It's also a lot to do with breeding and using the right type of bull

I remember years ago when Ebi came out we advertised bulls for sale with high Ebi and high type and high milk- people said we would ruin our herd

I don't think think we did and these are the same lads that want to move to strathroy, don't want to get paid on a b-c and can't get a compact calving cause no control on fertility

And they look at crossbred herds as if they were the arrival of the antichrist....

Greengrass1

Coonagh wrote: »

And they look at crossbred herds as if they were the arrival of the antichrist....

As a lad said to me yesterday too many farmers have become institutionalized in there own system due to quota