tesco for Kilkenny

road_high

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

You really aren't deprived a choice at all, when you can order online and since you would have had to drive to any out of town Tesco in Kilkenny, you could drive the long and arduous road to Carlow, think border controls have been relaxed now.

Jesus you don't say. Would never have figured that out, thanks.

Dozen Wicked Words

road_high wrote: »

Jesus you don't say. Would never have figured that out, thanks.

Yet your post suggested you were deprived of the choice.

kikel

hi5 wrote: »

I would like to see a large Tesco in Kilkenny on a stand alone site where I could drive into without having to drive into the city centre, go through barriers and then be charged for the pleasure.
A large Tesco on the Ring rd with easy access and an open free car park with a petrol station would annihilate Dunnes and Supervalue in Kilkenny.
And that's why we won't see one soon.

We've got something great in KIlkenny what you are suggesting would have a serious effect on our city.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zAPyUL44pGE

Kirk Van Houten

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

You really aren't deprived a choice at all, when you can order online and since you would have had to drive to any out of town Tesco in Kilkenny, you could drive the long and arduous road to Carlow, think border controls have been relaxed now.

And by that logic if Tesco came in and Dunnes or Super Valu shut down you could continue to shop with them in Carlow or Waterford and you wouldn't have an issue either.

Dozen Wicked Words

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

And by that logic if Tesco came in and Dunnes or Super Valu shut down you could continue to shop with them in Carlow or Waterford and you wouldn't have an issue either.

OK, very good. When did I say I had a problem with the choice of supermarket available? When did I say I was deprived of a choice? So your fanciful example is lovely but what does it have to do with me?

So rather than you posting on my behalf, let me do it myself. If Tesco were to come, I'd shop in it occassionally, as I do now in Carlow,
do I feel deprived there is no Tesco? Fupp no,
am I bothered there isn't one? No, I'm quite glad.
Would the world end if Tesco arrive? No, pretty sure we'd be OK, but I don't work in a shop in Kilkenny.
Would a big out of town supermarket be detrimental to Kilkenny high street? Yes, I think it would.
What? Even Asda or Morrison's who you say you'd like? Yes even those.
Do I find it funny people get their knickers in a twist and wringing their hands feeling hard done by because they don't have one particular supermarket within a boundary line only visible on a map? Yes, very.
Anything else? No, that's my lot on the subject.

rayc

I've also noticed we don't have a Leftorium in Kilkenny. I think we should spend the next 5-10 years of our lives discussing, moaning and generally dwelling on this. I mean, I know I could get a left handed pencil in other stores but it's just not the same.....

Cabaal

rayc wrote: »

I've also noticed we don't have a Leftorium in Kilkenny. I think we should spend the next 5-10 years of our lives discussing, moaning and generally dwelling on this. I mean, I know I could get a left handed pencil in other stores but it's just not the same.....

Pftt
We could just support one of the candidates in the last election. He wanted an ikea in kilkenny.

kikel

Granted people want to have some different pre packed dinners in their freezer. That's allowed for people to want an alternative. But what are the effects of a tescos on the local economy? Any good arguments about how tescos will positive effect the economy?

Autosport

Cabaal wrote: »

Pftt
We could just support one of the candidates in the last election. He wanted an ikea in kilkenny.

Let's start a campaign for IKEA for Kilkenny . I for one would love it

foxcoverteddy

Perhaps this thread will go round and round until it disappears in the usual place. However, Tesco, Ikea in fact any decent store might well liven Kilkenny up. to be honest the High Street looks down and out, there are some small shops who try their hardest to make the place look like it should, truth is why would anyone want to come and shop in Kilkenny, it offers nothing to tourists and locals alike. Yes the castle and St Canices for the tourist, parking which is quite cheap is really dire, both Market yard and Market Cross are design disasters. We moan over the CAS rightly so, little point having councillors if they cannot conserve our city, we might just as well vote for a dictator and save the money. For tourists look at the toilet by the castle yes it is better than the one it replaced, but it represents something a very poor city could afford.
Where is there shopping on the west side of the city or the North, it is all huddled in one area Loughboy, our city designers really cannot expect accolades when they pass into history. Maybe by then Tesco might have arrived, remember every little helps.

sheinsweets

I try to avoid Tesco, but if it does come here then there may be jobs.

catbear

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

.....truth is why would anyone want to come and shop in Kilkenny, it offers nothing to tourists and locals alike. Yes the castle and St Canices for the tourist,.....

Ah, we missed your balanced arguments Foxy!

road_high

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Perhaps this thread will go round and round until it disappears in the usual place. However, Tesco, Ikea in fact any decent store might well liven Kilkenny up. to be honest the High Street looks down and out, there are some small shops who try their hardest to make the place look like it should, truth is why would anyone want to come and shop in Kilkenny, it offers nothing to tourists and locals alike. Yes the castle and St Canices for the tourist, parking which is quite cheap is really dire, both Market yard and Market Cross are design disasters. We moan over the CAS rightly so, little point having councillors if they cannot conserve our city, we might just as well vote for a dictator and save the money. For tourists look at the toilet by the castle yes it is better than the one it replaced, but it represents something a very poor city could afford.
Where is there shopping on the west side of the city or the North, it is all huddled in one area Loughboy, our city designers really cannot expect accolades when they pass into history. Maybe by then Tesco might have arrived, remember every little helps.

I'm sorry but you need your eyes tested. It's one of the top regional streets in Ireland, up there with Patrick st in Cork or Shop st in Galway. High st is one of Kilkenny's biggest strengths.

hi5

road_high wrote: »

I'm sorry but you need your eyes tested. It's one of the top regional streets in Ireland, up there with Patrick st in Cork or Shop st in Galway. High st is one of Kilkenny's biggest strengths.

And it looks even better without traffic, a few weeks ago there was a cycling rally and the street was closed to vehicles, I was surprised at how well the footpaths, kerbing and street furniture looked when you can actually see it all properly.

Mankbag

sheinsweets wrote: »

I try to avoid Tesco, but if it does come here then there may be jobs.

There would be. But at the expense of existing jobs in Dunnes Stores and Supervalu.

kikel

Mankbag wrote: »

There would be. But at the expense of existing jobs in Dunnes Stores and Supervalu.

And High Street Traders and mcdonagh junction traders, of Irish town traders.

Rantan

foxcoverteddy wrote:

Perhaps this thread will go round and round until it disappears in the usual place. However, Tesco, Ikea in fact any decent store might well liven Kilkenny up. to be honest the High Street looks down and out, there are some small shops who try their hardest to make the place look like it should, truth is why would anyone want to come and shop in Kilkenny, it offers nothing to tourists and locals alike. Yes the castle and St Canices for the tourist, parking which is quite cheap is really dire, both Market yard and Market Cross are design disasters. We moan over the CAS rightly so, little point having councillors if they cannot conserve our city, we might just as well vote for a dictator and save the money. For tourists look at the toilet by the castle yes it is better than the one it replaced, but it represents something a very poor city could afford. Where is there shopping on the west side of the city or the North, it is all huddled in one area Loughboy, our city designers really cannot expect accolades when they pass into history. Maybe by then Tesco might have arrived, remember every little helps.

Balance, normality, reason and harmony have been restored! Good to have u back! Doesnt mean I dont think you're talking defeatist s##te though. ..high st is a nice st by anyone's standards and I really don't see how a tesco could liven up Kilkenny? ?

foxcoverteddy

Why is the High Street one of the top places for tourists, is it that the coaches off load their passengers at the castle, having done that where else do they go,"The design centre"; where else, is there anything else to do but walk the high street, for certain John Street has no charm, though perhaps Rose Inn Street, if it wasn't jammed with traffic. We do not have a street market, like it or not they are always a draw, Antiques, not for Kilkenny, Keiron Street has the potential.
Moving Sherwoods really did not have any influence on the tourist trade, likewise moving Argos so it is rumoured, should Penneys move and close Market Cross Store it will be just another nail in the coffin of that site, despite all this tourists do love Kilkenny, it is different but very boring, perhaps unkind . Before jumping at my opinion think what would you enjoy doing on holiday? With our uncertain climate we do not have a large store to meander round, but there again we do not have the population to warrant one, then we arrive at another of Kilkenny's problems, parking, it is not the cost but the lack of it and what we have has been badly designed.
Market Cross is okay to get in but dire to get out if you pick the wrong time.
Have a nice day it looks like being the summer we hoped for, Foxy

foxcoverteddy

Quite right Rantan, Tesco will do nothing for the city, because it will be out of town if at all, we could not cope with another supermarket in the current area which is Waterford road and loughboy. I personally think it is perhaps that some feel they are being deprived of choice, though Tesco do not offer anymore than Dunnes, only problem there is the lousy sites.
Not everyone wants to shop at Aldi or Lidl or come to that Supervalu at Market Cross, different with Loughboy though.
We are strange beings these shops. okay stores sell virtually the same thing it is we want the choice to go where we want, I like M&S and go to Clonmel on a regular basis, on the way out I have Lidl and dunnes with ample parking, by the way Lidl is expanding in Clonmel major work going on, I can also pop into Tesco on the ring road, Clonmel just makes more sense for shopping.
We still love Kilkenny but not for shopping, Foxy

kikel

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Quite right Rantan, Tesco will do nothing for the city, because it will be out of town if at all,

I believe (Heard somewhere but don't have facts to hand) that in hindsight the planning of out of town centres are now considered a bad idea. It was poor planning and is no longer encourage due to the effect that it can have on inner urban areas.

This document probably has the info relating to out of town shopping but not sure. http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/Planning/FileDownLoad,30026,en.pdf

foxcoverteddy

Kikel, in days of old your opinion would hold true, however with the lack of public transport, due of course to the lack of population, the car has reigned supreme.
Why this theme is still pushed about the inner area, the truth is one cannot shop in a restricted environment, out of town shopping has to be the norm though on line shopping is gathering more and more people, this of course will compact on the inner urban area, customers just will not be there.
Added to which shoppers are somewhat reluctant to pay to shop for groceries, just look at the difference between Supervalu Loughboy and the old Superquinn shop in Market Cross, one is teeming and the other, well not very well served.
Now go to Waterford City centre, yes the place is buzzing partly I suspect with the giant Penney's store, they have Shaws, Dunnes to help, I am not suggesting parking is great, though there is ample on the quay at a price.
There are I think four Tesco stores out of town and really they do not appear to have had a dire effect on the city, as an example we went to Kilbarry Tesco built obviously when Waterford Crystal was booming, in the mall a
butcher and greengrocer exist with Tesco, we should keep Kilkenny olde worlde for tourists. Foxy

kikel

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Now go to Waterford City centre, yes the place is buzzing partly I suspect with the giant Penney's store, they have Shaws, Dunnes to help, I am not suggesting parking is great, though there is ample on the quay at a price.

I think you need to look at waterford again. The place is really suffering. Their are a very large number of units closed because the city centre has suffered from the opening of out of town units. The above document I've only skimmed through but their are referrances to impact statements on current retails areas for any new out of town developments. If this document was around years ago then waterford city centre would be a better place to shop in the city centre.

foxcoverteddy

Kikel have you been to Waterford lately? Yes at one time it was bad, but it would seem things have changed for the good, Despite all the out of town shopping which really does enhance the prospects. Remember we live inj a different age, shopping has changed considerably thank goodness, my mum tells me about the days when one had to line up to get served and then go to another counter for other things, apparently very time consuming and they did not have trolleys it was a shopping basket, the greengrocer would give you a paper bag pray it didn't rain.
Try Clonmel; Kikel or Dungarvan can't say Thurles it is too difficult to get too.

kikel

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Kikel have you been to Waterford lately?

Yes, I have.

linny

Foxy I think your blinded by your Diss like of kilkenny. The heart of kilkenny the high street is thriving compared to Waterford clonmel and Carlow and yes I've been to them all in the last few weeks. I would love to see a tesco in kilkenny. But not at the loss of the high street as have happened in so many of the towns of the southeast. And as for M&S way over rated for the chap they sell. Johns Street in kilkenny should see a lot more footfall in the autumn when guineys open. So hopefully few more buissennes will open on that street also. And the shopping mall on the high street going to get a major revamp can be only good news for kilkenny and the high street.
And another boost for the high street will be the new Newbridge Silver shop the only one outside of the showroom in newbridge

kikel

linny wrote: »

Foxy I think your blinded by your Diss like of kilkenny. The heart of kilkenny the high street is thriving compared to Waterford clonmel and Carlow and yes I've been to them all in the last few weeks. I would love to see a tesco in kilkenny. But not at the loss of the high street as have happened in so many of the towns of the southeast. And as for M&S way over rated for the chap they sell. Johns Street in kilkenny should see a lot more footfall in the autumn when guineys open. So hopefully few more buissennes will open on that street also. And the shopping mall on the high street going to get a major revamp can be only good news for kilkenny and the high street.
And another boost for the high street will be the new Newbridge Silver shop the only one outside of the showroom in newbridge

The mall redevelopment is something that got me thinking. Can it not be incorporated into the market cross complex. The proximity seems to be very close and could maybe revive it. It's been suffering for years with many vacant stores.

foxcoverteddy

you have it wrong I love the city, it is different to all the others, I want it to remain an olde worlde tourist trap/location. Someone needs to sort out the traffic problem, it is the gem in the south east.
However one should not be complacent, goodnight off to see the free shower in the sky Foxy

foxcoverteddy

I sat out in a lounger watching the night sky and saw just two or three shooting stars plus a space station orbiting, in the end the cold won.
Kilkenny shopping I was under the impression that the arcade was going to be an amusement place unless the original plans have been changed, correct me on this. Argos is I am told going out with Sherwoods at Loughboy and Penneys own the old mart site, there is an attempt to build another cinema out there as well. Boots at MacDonagh how long will High street fair, The fact that Guineys are going up by the station is not necessarily good news for the centre. It is too far to walk from the town car parks, okay on a nice summers day but presume the car park at the back of Guineys will become the norm will the patrons then come back into town?
Any work on the arcade and the brewery site is going to cause major disruptions to traffic, lets be honest shoppers are the life blood of the town;
If we move the likes of Penneys out of Market Cross who else is going into Coffee Pot Lane, How long will Supervlu exist in the cross, think 2015/16 will be crunch days for our city, it needs a gentle hand the question is have we got one. The new road could be called Crocketts Folly, bye Foxy

kikel

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Penneys own the old mart site,

News to me.

Captain Havoc

kikel wrote: »

News to me.

Me too

foxcoverteddy

I could be wrong but I remember this was on boards sometime ago, if not sorry, there was a discussion as to what would happen, tbh the one in Waterford is a superb store and it is buzzing from the moment it opens its doors, moving would decimate Market Cross. Foxy

kikel

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

I could be wrong but I remember this was on boards sometime ago, if not sorry, there was a discussion as to what would happen, tbh the one in Waterford is a superb store and it is buzzing from the moment it opens its doors, moving would decimate Market Cross. Foxy

It was a rumour alright. Cinema bought it. Thats not saying that they could never locate there or buy part of the site int he future. Who knows.

foxcoverteddy

Really there is very little Tesco could bring to Kilkenny City which is not already in place, Dunnes are as near as one can get: however look at the grocery map; there is very little, nothing to the west of the city, without the ring road the journey into Kilkenny is no joke.
So a Tesco out of town might be a godsend to those who live in Freshford, Urlingford, yes they have small shops who could well suffer, one has to accept the possibility. The whole western area lacks a large store until one gets to Thurles.
It is like Tesco for Callan, think there is no where that sells clothes for the fair sex in Callan, there have been several attempts that came to nothing, for men we have O'Briens well established and reliable, for shopping of course Supervalu and Aldi, yes they should be sufficient, unfortunately Supervalu is more akin to a large village grocer, it is not big enough to be called a Supermarket and you have to love Aldi's style, cheap yes, but sadly lacking in the niceties of shopping.
Tesco in Callan or Dunnes could well make Callan a viable destination for shoppers. Foxy on a Sunday

foxcoverteddy

Good Morning,
Well yesterday was a super one, M&S, Dunnes and Tesco, all of course in Clonmel, no parking charges, no hassle getting in or out.
Of course we met other's who find it easier and much more rewarding to shop in Clonmel rather than Kilkenny.
M&S stands out for clothes and food and a rather nice Latte for a break.
The Dunnes branch is a joy to shop in, again not only food but household goods as well, the same goes for Tesco however you can buy rather more varied items in Tesco.
Sorry but it does not make any sense for Tesco or Dunnes to be kept out of making an out of town store, it would at least keep shoppers in Kilkenny.
I think this is one thing we cannot lose sight of and keep pressing for some action. Well shopped Foxy

Rantan

Foxy...Any ideas what you'd do with the market yard site if, hypothethically, dunnes moved out of town?
Imagine the combined potential of the brewery and market yard sites?!!

road_high

Rantan wrote: »

Foxy...Any ideas what you'd do with the market yard site if, hypothethically, dunnes moved out of town?
Imagine the combined potential of the brewery and market yard sites?!!

I'd have it as part of the redevelopment, opening up the waterfront especially there. Underground the car park or stick a multi storey some place on the site.

foxcoverteddy

What an exciting post Rantan, not one that can be answered without a lot of thought, the reasons being: Market Yard Car Park is the life blood of the city, it is the most used plus it is an easy car park to get in and out of. An example the Friary Street park is an abomination was built for financial gain and not to enhance the city, Market Cross a nightmare to get out of at the wrong time, again built for financial gain, Ormonde Street as a car park not that bad and has been incorporated into the development, but having said that what we had before was I know a dirt site, but it was a great car park, there was actually no need for what was built. If you concrete over every site the open spaces never come back.
Market Yard must never be touched other than normal clean-ups a multi story no way, with the river close by an underground park would be a no no. Like it or lump it as the saying goes people want to park near the shopping centre, they do not want to walk with shopping or come to that push trolleys, what do you do with it when you are finished anyway, push it all the way back.
Perhaps this will throw some light on why out of town shopping is so popular, brilliant slant on Kilkenny, also age would be a factor. Have a good day Foxy