The fall of the roman empire

Guffy

So when did the roman empire (ancient rome don't bring that holy crowd into it) fall. Was it with the western empire or can you really count the eastern empire (aka byzantine empire) after the western demise Rome?


clearly meant to say did

Ravelleman

History makes the distinction between the Eastern and the Western halves for a reason.

Guffy

Ravelleman wrote: »

History makes the distinction between the Eastern and the Western halves for a reason.

but does it? personally i agree with you but I've been having an argument on the general knowledge question regarding this. 2 or 3 times since i started following it the question of 'who was the last roman emperor?' pops up and it always ends up with the last eastern emperor being the correct answer. It just irks me so I figured I'd pop on here and see if I could get a debate going in the correct forum.

Cork boy 55

You forgot a third option "that it still stands" in Moscow

"Two Romes have fallen. The third stands. And there will be no fourth. No one shall replace your Christian Tsardom!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Rome

Reekwind

gufc21 wrote: »

Was it with the western empire or can you really count the eastern empire (aka byzantine empire) after the western demise Rome?

You can if you want. You can also claim it was the Holy Roman Empire. Plenty of people have laid claim to the title as successor of Rome and it always sparks debate

It's a poor quiz question precisely because it is so open

pablomakaveli

The Byzantines still saw themselves as Roman so they would have seen the Roman Empire as ending with them.

I view it as this way as well since it was a surviving part of the Roman Empire.

Reekwind

The Greeks may have called themselves what they wanted but they were about as 'Roman' as the Germans. Arguably less: the early German Emperors at least visited the city to receive their crowns