Need a Scooter

helen12

I want to buy a 50cc bike for my brother.I am confused between 50cc and 125cc.Which one is the best?
Someone reffered me use this forum.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84226092

galwaytt

...first things first: does he have a licence or learner permit ?

helen12

galwaytt wrote: »

...first things first: does he have a licence or learner permit ?

Yes he has a learner permit so I want to buy a bike for him.

Wossack

very generous!

how old is he? often its the cost of insurance that is the deciding factor on the size of bike ye can viably get going on

I'd personally go for the largest cc you can afford to insure, and legally able to ride on your permit

helen12

Wossack wrote: »

very generous!

how old is he? often its the cost of insurance that is the deciding factor on the size of bike ye can viably get going on

I'd personally go for the largest cc you can afford to insure, and legally able to ride on your permit

He is 20 years old.Thanks for your suggestion.What you think which is good one 50cc or 125cc?

Del2005

helen12 wrote: »

He is 20 years old.Thanks for your suggestion.What you think which is good one 50cc or 125cc?

You'll have to get insurance quotes but at least a 125 and try for a 250cc -400. 50cc will drive him mad very quickly if he does any riding outside of a busy city street. Here's a rough list of what new bikes are A2 compatible, plenty of older bikes meet the criteria.

Wossack

Im afraid I dont know too much about mopeds/scooters - I think the yamaha aerox (50cc), is pretty decent, as is the honda innova anf125. Try and stick with the bigger known jap brands also (imo), honda, yamaha, suzuki, kawasaki - but again, showing my lack of knowledge of mopeds that I may be missing something obvious (piaggios and vespas perhaps? or peugeot speedlights etc? )

but I'd mirror Del's thoughts above - re busier/faster road work, and insurance quotes..

Del2005

Wossack wrote: »

Im afraid I dont know too much about mopeds/scooters - I think the yamaha aerox (50cc), is pretty decent, as is the honda innova anf125. Try and stick with the bigger known jap brands also (imo), honda, yamaha, suzuki, kawasaki - but again, showing my lack of knowledge of mopeds that I may be missing something obvious (piaggios and vespas perhaps? or peugeot speedlights etc? )

Mopeds and scooters are totally different beasts, if you can call a moped a beast.

AM, used to be M, is for bikes with less than 50cc and can't exceed 45km/h, very few scooters sold in this country meet that criteria and it doesn't have to a scooter to be a moped! These are really only useful for riding in busy traffic, or if your a Continental cousin riding on the roads at 14, as once you get onto any decent road you can't match traffic and unless you've nerves of steel you'll end up in the gutter.

At 20 the OPs brother can get an A2 licence which opens up a world of bikes, provided they can afford the insurance:(. A lot of scooters fall into this as do some very good learning bikes.

helen12

Del2005 wrote: »

You'll have to get insurance quotes but at least a 125 and try for a 250cc -400. 50cc will drive him mad very quickly if he does any riding outside of a busy city street. Here's a rough list of what new bikes are A2 compatible, plenty of older bikes meet the criteria.

Thanks for sharing this list.It is also informative for me .But in this list pictures are not displayed which confused me because I want a bike with stylish look.

helen12

Wossack wrote: »

Im afraid I dont know too much about mopeds/scooters - I think the yamaha aerox (50cc), is pretty decent, as is the honda innova anf125. Try and stick with the bigger known jap brands also (imo), honda, yamaha, suzuki, kawasaki - but again, showing my lack of knowledge of mopeds that I may be missing something obvious (piaggios and vespas perhaps? or peugeot speedlights etc? )

but I'd mirror Del's thoughts above - re busier/faster road work, and insurance quotes..

Thanks Wossack for your recommendations.. Can you provide some pictures of Yamaha Aerox (50cc) and Honda Innova anf125?

helen12

Del2005 wrote: »

Mopeds and scooters are totally different beasts, if you can call a moped a beast.
At 20 the OPs brother can get an A2 licence which opens up a world of bikes, provided they can afford the insurance:(. A lot of scooters fall into this as do some very good learning bikes.

What you say about push scooters? Someone gave me the idea of push scooters.

Bikerguy

helen12 wrote: »

Thanks Wossack for your recommendations.. Can you provide some pictures of Yamaha Aerox (50cc) and Honda Innova anf125?

aerox 50cc

i recommend btw - amazing bike and very easy to drive and perfect for city commuting

http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://bikerholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/2010-Yamaha-Aerox-R-05.jpg&imgrefurl=http://bikerholic.com/2010/02/08/first-look-2010-yamaha-aerox-r-50cc/&h=961&w=1280&sz=59&tbnid=qYuKKq6exx9LIM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__AXZHfIDcQfoHvI9diOnn3WCxVI8=&docid=CoW-yAe4Kb-bSM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iAl6UZ_xDJHy7AbH0IAo&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAQ&dur=649


Innova - nice bike, does the job, its an easy going bike, but for town only i would pick aerox over innova.

http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/217914/images/innova.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Manufacturers/Honda/Innova/&h=322&w=510&sz=27&tbnid=kwBf5FCAon4_GM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__G9aKfPjqedAumdsHlulmx4vGOKg=&docid=vTGb4lkxyGW2hM&sa=X&ei=wQl6Udb8LumV7AbTvoH4Ag&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAQ&dur=527

Bikerguy

helen12 wrote: »

What you say about push scooters? Someone gave me the idea of push scooters.

push if you mean push as brand is very old germany brand, i had one eayrs a go, undestroyable

https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=push+moped&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.ZGU&biw=1440&bih=754&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Twp6UZK2GaSe7Aaco4CoAw#imgrc=dCP3aAaIpxEj0M%3A%3Bxodj_iu9awfkwM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.jwoodandcompany.com%252F2008%252F2008_pics%252F1978_puch_moped.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ukuleleunderground.com%252Fforum%252Fshowthread.php%253F32144-Off-the-wall-poll-scooters-and-ukuleles%252Fpage4%3B700%3B526

Del2005

helen12 wrote: »

What you say about push scooters? Someone gave me the idea of push scooters.

Not sure what you mean by push scooter, the only thing coming up in google are kids toys. They where a few old brands like Puch and Push( never heard of them before thanks Bikerguy) but for a 1st bike I'd recommend getting a modern one. Older bikes are an acquired taste and need loads of maintenance compared to modern ones. For 50cc bikes I wouldn't go over a few years old, as they are usually always at full throttle, for 125+ late 90s will be OK. You'll need to check any bike your thinking of buying and that means if you don't know someone with a good knowledge of bikes you may have to pay a mechanic to check it out, you don't want to end up with a couriered hack.

Bikerguy wrote: »

push if you mean push as brand is very old germany brand, i had one eayrs a go, undestroyable

https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=push+moped&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.ZGU&biw=1440&bih=754&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Twp6UZK2GaSe7Aaco4CoAw#imgrc=dCP3aAaIpxEj0M%3A%3Bxodj_iu9awfkwM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.jwoodandcompany.com%252F2008%252F2008_pics%252F1978_puch_moped.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ukuleleunderground.com%252Fforum%252Fshowthread.php%253F32144-Off-the-wall-poll-scooters-and-ukuleles%252Fpage4%3B700%3B526

helen12

Bikerguy wrote: »

aerox 50cc

i recommend btw - amazing bike and very easy to drive and perfect for city commuting

http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://bikerholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/2010-Yamaha-Aerox-R-05.jpg&imgrefurl=http://bikerholic.com/2010/02/08/first-look-2010-yamaha-aerox-r-50cc/&h=961&w=1280&sz=59&tbnid=qYuKKq6exx9LIM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__AXZHfIDcQfoHvI9diOnn3WCxVI8=&docid=CoW-yAe4Kb-bSM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iAl6UZ_xDJHy7AbH0IAo&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAQ&dur=649


Innova - nice bike, does the job, its an easy going bike, but for town only i would pick aerox over innova.

http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/217914/images/innova.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Manufacturers/Honda/Innova/&h=322&w=510&sz=27&tbnid=kwBf5FCAon4_GM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__G9aKfPjqedAumdsHlulmx4vGOKg=&docid=vTGb4lkxyGW2hM&sa=X&ei=wQl6Udb8LumV7AbTvoH4Ag&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAQ&dur=527

Thanks for sharing pictures.Now I have some idea about these bikes.Both looking amazing.

helen12

Bikerguy wrote: »

push if you mean push as brand is very old germany brand, i had one eayrs a go, undestroyable

https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=push+moped&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.ZGU&biw=1440&bih=754&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Twp6UZK2GaSe7Aaco4CoAw#imgrc=dCP3aAaIpxEj0M%3A%3Bxodj_iu9awfkwM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.jwoodandcompany.com%252F2008%252F2008_pics%252F1978_puch_moped.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ukuleleunderground.com%252Fforum%252Fshowthread.php%253F32144-Off-the-wall-poll-scooters-and-ukuleles%252Fpage4%3B700%3B526

After looking these scooters I don't want to buy these scooters. Such scooters didn't attract me.

helen12

Del2005 wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by push scooter, the only thing coming up in google are kids toys. They where a few old brands like Puch and Push( never heard of them before thanks Bikerguy) but for a 1st bike I'd recommend getting a modern one. Older bikes are an acquired taste and need loads of maintenance compared to modern ones. For 50cc bikes I wouldn't go over a few years old, as they are usually always at full throttle, for 125+ late 90s will be OK. You'll need to check any bike your thinking of buying and that means if you don't know someone with a good knowledge of bikes you may have to pay a mechanic to check it out, you don't want to end up with a couriered hack.

I am sharing a picture of push scooter .Some say its a kick scooter. Yes you are right it is very difficult task to handle an old bike.

Wossack

very nice - little more advanced then what I started on:



but fantastic machines all the same. No pillion capacity, but sure half the thrill of them is just you and your machine, out there on the open road, ripping it up. Did the gap on it in about 5.5 hrs - not inc ciggy breaks - so no slouch either

Bikerguy

Wossack i like the color scheme here. Whats the awerage consumption?

Btw i ment to say puch instead of push.

carefull now!

He'll be bored after a week on a 50cc. I do about 40km a day on a 125, it leaves the 50ccs for dust and keeps up with most bigger bike commuting, about 110 kph. I have it up for sale if he's interested. Here's the link, if this is not allowed please tell me and ill take it down or ask a mod to.
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/scooters/4854788
Either way he should go for bigger if the licence allows it

bluefinger

he'll have to do an IBT which is a 16 hour motorcycle training course before he'll be allowed on the road on a moped.

I had two or three suzuki katana's which were 50cc and great fun. Good for getting about town.

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I also had a yamaha majesty which was much better for longer distances and a bike i'd highly recommend.

helen12

Wossack wrote: »

very nice - little more advanced then what I started on:



but fantastic machines all the same. No pillion capacity, but sure half the thrill of them is just you and your machine, out there on the open road, ripping it up. Did the gap on it in about 5.5 hrs - not inc ciggy breaks - so no slouch either

Wow it looks fantastic and awesome. Thanks for your sharing. But I think it is Comfortable for a single person.I also asked my brother not to buy this one.

helen12

carefull now! wrote: »

He'll be bored after a week on a 50cc. I do about 40km a day on a 125, it leaves the 50ccs for dust and keeps up with most bigger bike commuting, about 110 kph. I have it up for sale if he's interested. Here's the link, if this is not allowed please tell me and ill take it down or ask a mod to.
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/scooters/4854788
Either way he should go for bigger if the licence allows it

Does riding on 50cc is boring? Thanks for sharing your experience with him. I hoped it would be helpful for him for selecting a bike. When I click on the link the following error occurs.
"You don't have permission to access /donedeal/classifieds/view.do on this server"

helen12

bluefinger wrote: »

he'll have to do an IBT which is a 16 hour motorcycle training course before he'll be allowed on the road on a moped.

I had two or three suzuki katana's which were 50cc and great fun. Good for getting about town.

'

I also had a yamaha majesty which was much better for longer distances and a bike i'd highly recommend.

Did you upload some more pictures of Suzuki katana's? What is their estimated price?
Yamaha 's scooters are mostly used and having excellent guarantee? What do you say?

Bikerguy

helen12 wrote: »

Does riding on 50cc is boring? Thanks for sharing your experience with him. I hoped it would be helpful for him for selecting a bike. When I click on the link the following error occurs.
"You don't have permission to access /donedeal/classifieds/view.do on this server"

50cc its not boring at all, i dont know what all the people think that bigger means better!! in heavy traffic 50cc is actualy fun, easy for filtering and extremly cheap to run/insure. i was driving myself one, even being giant in size/weight. its not bad at all and if your bro is gonna ride only in city centre there is no need to go for bigger engine at all.

as mentioned aerox, katana... 50cc more then enough and they are very well made. they can easy go 70kmh and you dont need to go faster in town.

second hand or not, they cant go wrong. (unless they have been abused)

/haw


my bad boy back in the days

its peugeot speedfight 2 - but i wont recommend it it gave me a lot of troubles / but fast enough to move around town - go to bray on the sunny days or howth

helen12

Thanks Bikerguy. Can he use 50cc for sport's purpose?
Mentions some trouble which you are facing using Peugeot Speedfight 2.

carefull now!

helen12 wrote: »

Does riding on 50cc is boring? Thanks for sharing your experience with him. I hoped it would be helpful for him for selecting a bike. When I click on the link the following error occurs.
"You don't have permission to access /donedeal/classifieds/view.do on this server"

I just tried the link from here and it worked so I'm not sure why you couldn't access it. Its an 09 Suzuki in the scooter section of donedeal for 995 if you wanna have a look, or pm me and we can arrange for you to see it.
Don't get me wrong, 50cc bikes are good fun, I've had katanas, aeroxs and driven others, but there's a noticeable difference between them and the 125. The 125 has better power, fuel economy and less maintenance. The 50 can be as quick but they had to be moded, remove restrictions, change rollers, power pipe exhaust ect.... This is all fine for a quick bike but it all shortens the life of the 2 stroke engine and was mainly done by young fellas on the garden so may lead problems, cross threaded bolts ect... Plus adding the smell of burnt 2 stroke oil to your clothes every day- all 2 strokes burn oil, its how the engine works

Bikerguy

helen12 wrote: »

Thanks Bikerguy. Can he use 50cc for sport's purpose?
Mentions some trouble which you are facing using Peugeot Speedfight 2.

50cc is not for sport purpose. I dont know what u mean by that, but scoot is for moving around. Easy parking and cheap to run.
Btw you dont need to modify aerox or katana at all to be fast.

I mentioned speedfight peugeot only becuase i had 50cc i had issues with brand and reliabilty. Overheating and electrical issues but thats related to peugeot not to 50cc in general.

I am not saying that 125cc is bad or better i am saying that for start and only for city commuting only 50cc is more then enough.

P.C.

helen12 wrote: »

Yes he has a learner permit so I want to buy a bike for him.

Where are you located?
Where does your brother live?

Is is no good if we recommend scooters that you can't view, or buy.

mitosis

If you want to buy a scooter, buy one with character. This, for example, is a 125cc Vespa. There's lots on Donedeal.

carefull now!

(Btw you dont need to modify aerox or katana at all to be fast.)
Depending on your definition of fast, the bike were restricted from new to around 70kph, if you unrestricted/moded them they'd do about 90kph if wanted you could get them over 120kph. As i said, all this affects the life/ maintenance of the engine so its worth considering when your thinking of buying one.
Most 125s will do 110kph with ease all day without any modification and without affecting the engine life.