Players who jump the shark

dd972

Funny how some players careers are a bit curious in the sense of having their peak years before 22 then going off the radar, Ryan Giggs is two years older than Robbie Fowler yet still at the cutting edge of the EPL whilst Fowler was arguably in decline before being sold to Leeds, other example I can think of are

David Rocastle - went downhill about 25 when he went to Leeds
Lee Sharpe - never as effective after the age of 23/24
Francis Jeffers - mentioned before on these boards but fell off the cliff after signing for Arsenal
Stephen Ireland - Can't honestly see him having a season again like the 08/09 one, maybe being set up for life has blunted his appetite for the game.

applehunter

Could you not have posted this on the Francis Jeffers thread?

Lovely Bloke

I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.

mike65

Jumped the shark over the hill?

batistuta9

applehunter wrote: »

Could you not have posted this on the Francis Jeffers thread?

the only player you can mention in there is Jeffers himself :pac:

razorblunt

Mark Fish?

I'm leaving don't worry.

bohsman

I always found it inconceivable that Van Nistelrooy and Kluivert are the same age.

Fr_Dougal

I thought this thread was going to be about players narrowly avoiding being bitten...I am disappoint...:(

IvySlayer

razorblunt wrote: »

Mark Fish?

I'm leaving don't worry.

Conor Sammon?

missingtime

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.

bohsman wrote: »

I always found it inconceivable that Van Nistelrooy and Kluivert are the same age.

Was the princess bride on recently or something?

bohsman

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I thought this thread was going to be about players narrowly avoiding being bitten...I am disappoint...:(

My name is Luis Suarez. You ate my father. Prepare to be eaten.

Lumbo

IvySlayer wrote: »

Conor Sammon?

John Scales :pac:

srfc19

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.

I'm fairly certain only about 3 people know what this phrase means.

I've never seen any other phrase used incorrectly as often!

DazMarz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_the_shark

wandatowell

Didn't some of these players play for Fin Harps?

COYVB

srfc19 wrote: »

I'm fairly certain only about 3 people know what this phrase means.

I've never seen any other phrase used incorrectly as often!

What's wrong with the use of it here? It was originally coined for TV shows, based on that whole Fonzie ridiculousness in Happy Days, and has traditionally come to be used as meaning "the point where something ran out of ideas and/or stopped being relevant"

That's surely applicable to footballers who went off the boil no?

batistuta9

srfc19 wrote: »

I'm fairly certain only about 3 people know what this phrase means.

I've never seen any other phrase used incorrectly as often!

What does it mean?

L5

What a stupid phrase

batistuta9

L5 wrote: »

What a stupid phrase

Nuke the fridge is better

Xavi6

Gillingham, the whole lot of them

FatherTed

This phrase doesn't really apply in this case. It is not so much about decline, it is more about a change of tactic or a change to what you are doing that ultimately leads to your downfall.

Bounty Hunter

What a load of carp!

okay now that the pun is out of the way here is the terms definition via wiki:

Jumping the shark is an idiom created by Jon Hein that was used to describe the moment in the evolution of a television show when it begins a decline in quality that is beyond recovery, which is usually a particular scene, episode, or aspect of a show in which the writers use some type of "gimmick" in a desperate attempt to keep viewers' interest.

I can only think of one way in which this could be applied to an individual player without talking about when someone got injured and therefore began a decline in quality that could not be recovered from. That is one a singular action of theirs had the effect of lowering my opinion of that player beyond recovery.

In this regard I'd imagine some may mention Suarez the other night but i'd please ask them to avoid that issue as this thread could easily be closed as is but the example I would put forward is Rivaldo. He was a top quality player no doubt and tbh still was after this incident but the time when a ball was kicked at him and struck his leg only for him to fall like a bag of spuds gripping his face altered my opinion of him from that moment forward no matter how good he was.

Some might think the same of Zidane for example after his headbutt in the WC final (not the Zizou I think of though but for many it would be) but the majority of players mentioned probably never had a "jump the shark" moment (ala Fonzy in Happy days where the name came from iirc) where a single event lead to a percieved lack of quality that they couldn't recover from.

The other way I'd think this term might apply is in regards to a transfer a player never recovered from. Torres will probably get mentioned although is injuries may have had as much to play in his decline the past few years.

ceegee

Bebe certainly jumped the shark.

A down on his luck teenager making his way up the ladder of Portuguese football. Nice inspiring story for all the family.

Having him suddenly sign for United was Armin Tamzarian level shark jumping.

Bounty Hunter

ceegee wrote: »

Bebe...
Having him suddenly sign for United was Armin Tamzarian level shark jumping.

imo that would be the polar opposite of him jumping the shark as it would be a singular event in his career where people suddenly thought he was much better than before. Before he signed nobody thought he was Man Utd quality after he signed umm a few probably did at least until they saw him play... o wait I mean Bebe is legendary

elefant

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

imo that would be the polar opposite of him jumping the shark as it would be a singular event in his career where people suddenly thought he was much better than before. Before he signed nobody thought he was Man Utd quality after he signed umm a few probably did at least until they saw him play... o wait I mean Bebe is legendary

In Bébé-land, shark jump you.

BOHtox

Thread is going down hill. Time for a change of tactics

Fr Tod Umptious

eagle eye

I suppose Michael Bridges doesn't really suit this thread.:D

FatherTed

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

What a load of carp!

okay now that the pun is out of the way here is the terms definition via wiki:



I can only think of one way in which this could be applied to an individual player without talking about when someone got injured and therefore began a decline in quality that could not be recovered from. That is one a singular action of theirs had the effect of lowering my opinion of that player beyond recovery.

In this regard I'd imagine some may mention Suarez the other night but i'd please ask them to avoid that issue as this thread could easily be closed as is but the example I would put forward is Rivaldo. He was a top quality player no doubt and tbh still was after this incident but the time when a ball was kicked at him and struck his leg only for him to fall like a bag of spuds gripping his face altered my opinion of him from that moment forward no matter how good he was.

Some might think the same of Zidane for example after his headbutt in the WC final (not the Zizou I think of though but for many it would be) but the majority of players mentioned probably never had a "jump the shark" moment (ala Fonzy in Happy days where the name came from iirc) where a single event lead to a percieved lack of quality that they couldn't recover from.

The other way I'd think this term might apply is in regards to a transfer a player never recovered from. Torres will probably get mentioned although is injuries may have had as much to play in his decline the past few years.

I think we could use it more in terms of team decisions e.g. did Liverpool jump the shark when they appointed Graeme Souness as manager? They were great up till then, haven't been the same since.

Fr Tod Umptious

FatherTed wrote: »

I think we could use it more in terms of team decisions e.g. did Liverpool jump the shark when they appointed Graeme Souness as manager? They were great up till then, haven't been the same since.

That would not be an example jumping the shark.

At the time Liverpool had a policy of promotion from within, Souness was a former player and had managed Rangers before hand.

Had Liverpool jumped the shark at the time they would have appointed someone like Martin O Neill