Champions League - Bayern Munich v Barcelona First Leg

CSF

fullstop wrote: »

How on earth could he give that? He was mid air, jumping for the ball, couldn't see the ball when it hit his hand.

Any time I've seen someone jump with their hands in the air, and it has hit their hand, it has been a peno. Suarez on Sunday, for example.

Knex*

Bayern can feel harsh done by that they weren't given at least one of those.

fullstop

CSF wrote: »

Similar to the Suarez 1 at the weekend really.

In what way?! Suarez's hands were above his head. Not the same thing.

RandolphEsq

You rarely see Messi running back to his own goal, but it's happening tonight.

inmyday

RandolphEsq wrote: »

You rarely see Messi running back to his own goal, but it's happening tonight.

Xavi seems to be forward a lot more through the centre when bayern have the ball. Messi is just not fit enough to chase/run... Villa should come on at half time.

CSF

fullstop wrote: »

In what way?! Suarez's hands were above his head. Not the same thing.

I really don't think there is a huge amount of difference between having your hand at head height, and above head height. Both are usually penos. Barca have really got away with it, as they always seem to in the Champions League when the chips are down.

Fuhrer

fullstop wrote: »

How on earth could he give that? He was mid air, jumping for the ball, couldn't see the ball when it hit his hand.

Recklessness isnt an excuse

fullstop

CSF wrote: »

I really don't think there is a huge amount of difference between having your hand at head height, and above head height. Both are usually penos. Barca have really got away with it, as they always seem to in the Champions League when the chips are down.

His hands were out to balance his fall and the ball was headed onto his arm. Suarez jumped with his hands above his head for no apart reason and handed the ball, it wasn't headed onto his hand iirc. But yes, it's a conspiracy.

RandolphEsq

CSF wrote: »

I really don't think there is a huge amount of difference between having your hand at head height, and above head height. Both are usually penos. Barca have really got away with it, as they always seem to in the Champions League when the chips are down.

There is no need to put your hands above your head, Suarez knew what he was doing, and is a cheat, as history shows. He was chancing it.

Alexis' arm was flailing horizontally, have you never jumped?

fullstop

Fuhrer wrote: »

Recklessness isnt an excuse

So you think he should jump with his hands in his jocks incase someone heads the ball onto his arm?

CSF

fullstop wrote: »

His hands were out to balance his fall and the ball was headed onto his arm. Suarez jumped with his hands above his head for no apart reason and handed the ball, it wasn't headed onto his hand iirc. But yes, it's a conspiracy.

It really doesn't matter why his hands were out though. Just that they were.

Fuhrer

fullstop wrote: »

So you think he should jump with his hands in his jocks incase someone heads the ball onto his arm?

Yeah, thats exactly what I said, well done. A gold star for you.

Mr.Crinklewood

The UPC Horizon site is coming in handy tonight. TV3.IE was so laggy it was six minutes behind.

fullstop

CSF wrote: »

It really doesn't matter why his hands were out though. Just that they were.

See my post just above yours...and RandolphEsq's above that. You can't jump with your arms by your side ffs.

Oat23

Ribery is doing a great job tracking back tonight.

Did I just say that?

fullstop

Fuhrer wrote: »

Yeah, thats exactly what I said, well done. A gold star for you.

Aww thanks So where was this 'recklessness' then?

CSF

fullstop wrote: »

See my post just above yours...and RandolphEsq's above that. You can't jump with your arms by your side ffs.

Yet the vast majority of defenders manage to jump without handling the ball.

inmyday

Oatesy23 wrote: »

Ribery is doing a great job tracking back tonight.

Did I just say that?

All Munich players are working hard, this is a great game to watch, very interesting.

fullstop

CSF wrote: »

Yet the vast majority of defenders manage to jump without handling the ball.

Well he would have managed it too if Dante didn't head the ball onto his arm.

RandolphEsq

CSF wrote: »

Yet the vast majority of defenders manage to jump without handling the ball.

Alexis was using his left arm to hold off the two lads jumping and his right arm to balance himself.

Try running across your room with your left arm out blocking and see what happens to your right arm.

Andersonisgod

The control of the ball has been good, it's been a conservative Barcelona away performance, one typical of Barcelona this season and taking a 1-0 defeat back to the Camp Nou would not be the worst thing in the world. That being said you would expect a bit more adventure in the second half.

How Javi Martinez wasn't booked in that half is a bit perplexing.

fullstop

RandolphEsq wrote: »

Alexis was using his left arm to hold off the two lads jumping and his right arm to balance himself.

Try running across your room with your left arm out blocking and see what happens to your right arm.

Strikes me as someone who has never played football. Anyone who has knows that you can't keep your arms by your side in that situation.

DM360

Think the first incident was a peno, other one I wouldn't give. Ball got redirected toward his arm which wasn't really in an unnatural position. Reckon some lads on here being too harsh. Bayern dominating, have been pretty solid while Barca quite lacklustre.

Barca swarming the ref is really annoying me. Also never noticed how much Sanchez looks like Bruno Mars, could just be me though.

klose

Bayern deserve that, need another 1 atleast and a clean sheet. Good half of ball

MisterAnarchy

Andersonisgod wrote: »

The control of the ball has been good, it's been a conservative Barcelona away performance, one typical of Barcelona this season and taking a 1-0 defeat back to the Camp Nou would not be the worst thing in the world. That being said you would expect a bit more adventure in the second half.

Its one of the worst Barcelona performances I've seen this season,they have been woeful.

They need to wake up and play some football,they havent had a shot of any form yet.
Messi seems to be the only man able to beat and man and he is trying that almost everytime he gets the ball ,which is too predictable.
The slow passing Barcelona are employing wont break down any defence especially if you only commit 3-4 players forward at a time.

Moneymaker

Andersonisgod wrote: »

The control of the ball has been good, it's been a conservative Barcelona away performance, one typical of Barcelona this season and taking a 1-0 defeat back to the Camp Nou would not be the worst thing in the world. That being said you would expect a bit more adventure in the second half.

How Javi Martinez wasn't booked in that half is a bit perplexing.

Conservative? Is that a code word for ****e?

wonderboysam

jesus my tv3 stream is shíte, other people experiencing this?

The_Kew_Tour

Barca still have ability to turn this tie on its head.

Rekop dog

People don't realise how much Barca rely on a pacy surface. Bayern now have the time to close down players they otherwise wouldn't on a proper pitch. Shame they were afraid to take them on in normal conditions.

Andersonisgod

Moneymaker wrote: »

Conservative? Is that a code word for ****e?

No, it's a code word for conservative. It's a performance we've seen a couple of times this season. It is one we sometimes see from Spain, a kind of negative tiki taka with the object of the possession being to stop the opposition scoring rather than scoring yourself. Obviously if the chance is there to score they will go for it but the aim from the start has been to control the game.

Blatter

Rekop dog wrote: »

People don't realise how much Barca rely on a pacy surface. Bayern now have the time to close down players they otherwise wouldn't on a proper pitch. Shame they were afraid to take them on in normal conditions.

I don't blame them for watering the pitch that much.

Why have the pitch perfect when you know you're playing a better footballing side? They're at home, they've every right to create whatever edge they can for themselves.

GLaDOS

Missed the first half, take it Bayern are well worth the lead?

MisterAnarchy

DM360 wrote: »

Think the first incident was a peno, other one I wouldn't give. Ball got redirected toward his arm which wasn't really in an unnatural position.

This unnatural position lark is a load of nonsense.Nowhere in the rules of the game does it mention an unnatural position.

Dave0301

Andersonisgod wrote: »

No, it's a code word for conservative. It's a performance we've seen a couple of times this season. It is one we sometimes see from Spain, a kind of negative tiki taka with the object of the possession being to stop the opposition scoring rather than scoring yourself. Obviously if the chance is there to score they will go for it but the aim from the start has been to control the game.

Well they aren't doing a very good job of that are they?

So I wouldn't really say they have had a good first half.

Rekop dog

Blatter wrote: »

I don't blame them for watering the pitch that much.

Why have the pitch perfect when you know you're playing a better footballing side? They're at home, they've every right to create whatever edge they can for themselves.

I'm explaining the poor performance. As a neutral I find it disappointing and a little gutless.

miralize

Barcelona have conceded 57 goals so far this season, most since 2002-2003 (59 in whole season) #fcblive [via @pedritonumeros]

Says it all. But given that we're still in contention for major trophies I wouldn't underestimate us Messi looks like hes taking his time. If he's not fit, I'd be inclined to take him off tbh

Boskowski

Couldn't ask for more from Bayern, need another goal or two but definitely heart in the right place and tactically not allowing much. With a bit of luck you get that peno for the first handball. Had that one been the last of the three incidents I'd say he would have given it. Keep it going.

Oat23

SUPER MARIO!

Jax Teller

Lovely .

GLaDOS

Typical Gomez goal, though looked off

miralize

F***

Mr.Crinklewood

wonderboysam wrote: »

jesus my tv3 stream is shíte, other people experiencing this?

Yes.

If you are a UPC customer try their horizon page.

enda1

Yes!

Pudders

In the air again.....dreadful

Moneymaker

Andersonisgod wrote: »

No, it's a code word for conservative. It's a performance we've seen a couple of times this season. It is one we sometimes see from Spain, a kind of negative tiki taka with the object of the possession being to stop the opposition scoring rather than scoring yourself. Obviously if the chance is there to score they will go for it but the aim from the start has been to control the game.

Working well so far. Could easily be 3-0/4-0 at this rate. You can't play like that if your defence is ****e, which is what Barca's is.

Gorilla Rising

Honestly expected as much from this game.

Barca's away form hasn't been good in the CL and they've a bad record against Bayern.

Still, will be tough in the Nou Camp regardless.

Bayern are a machine though.

Essien

Rekop dog wrote: »

I'm explaining the poor performance. As a neutral I find it disappointing and a little gutless.

It's not gutless, it's making the most of an edge. Barca aren't exactly above resorting to sneaky tactics when things aren't going their way.

klose

Get in!

eagle eye

Barca just far too weak at defending corners. Suppose thats because they don't often give them away.

Red Crow

Very convincing so far from Bayern