PGA Tour Thread

Golf is my Game

Deleted User wrote: »

There is nowhere near enough punishment for wayward drive, he still finds himself with a direct line to the green 90 or 100 yards out.

With his driving distance now they need some serous punishment for being off line. At the very least he should have other trees to get through or very thick rough where his ball may be lost.

Becuase the courses arent designed for that. When your carrying the ball 320 or more then your carrying any designed in bunkers and narrowing and what not. Thats why the thing has gone so far out of balance. What should they do, put fairway bunkers at 330 ? Then they all just take 3 wood to 290 and keep hitting the fairway. Golf courses are all designed for a certain range of shots. When you go outside that then theres nothing that can be done. Courses are just obsolete. SO lets not rebuild them all, lets take the shots back in to line with the original game that has been fine for a hundred years since steel shafts came in.

Deeper Blue

They seriously need to roll the ball back.

I have zero interest in watching lads thumping the ball as hard as they can. It's caveman golf.

Commentators creaming themselves every time Bryson hit it 350+ gets old after a while too, we didn't need to hear it on every single hole.

Golf is my Game

NDWC wrote: »

They seriously need to roll the ball back.

I have zero interest in watching lads thumping the ball as hard as they can. It's caveman golf.

Commentators creaming themselves every time Bryson hit it 350+ gets old after a while too, we didn't need to hear it on every single hole.

To be fair to them, it is THE story of whats going on, so you cant blame them really. Its not them hitting it 370.

GreeBo

The only option unless the powers do something is 6 inch rough just off the fairway. It could be done without any expense or special rulings, but any tournament doing it risks the wrath of the players.

Deeper Blue

Golf is my Game wrote: »

To be fair to them, it is THE story of whats going on, so you cant blame them really. Its not them hitting it 370.

That's true to be fair, and there's no doubt it's impressive, particularly the accuracy. I just don't think it interesting to watch.

It probably doesn't help that I'm not a fan of Bryson!

fullstop

GreeBo wrote: »

The only option unless the powers do something is 6 inch rough just off the fairway. It could be done without any expense or special rulings, but any tournament doing it risks the wrath of the players.

I know the comment was made by someone else above, but I think they need to seriously look at the ball now. They have everything tuned to the nth degree to the point where he’s able to go at a 5 degree driver as hard as he can and not worry about the ball spinning too much and going off line. You could never have done that back in the days of wound balls.

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GreeBo wrote: »

The only option unless the powers do something is 6 inch rough just off the fairway. It could be done without any expense or special rulings, but any tournament doing it risks the wrath of the players.

Thats not really golf either though really. Or at least not golf as it should be and is like some of the not that good in my opinion American courses that have too much water lining the fairway. In the fairway. Or in the water. That heavy rough will penalise them sure, but its then just a hack out for a shot and carry on. So they will still gamble on the big hit. If the big his is big enough, then you can probably wedge it to the green. The hole proportion of the game and full range of shots through the bag is being lost and thats the problem. Not just that they can shoot 21 under. Thats always been there and those lads are going to be able to do that sometimes their so good. Its how they do it. And 370 yard drive stuff is like finding a flaw in the game. Not problem, its not cheating or anything. But its a flaw that has changed the game and needs now a rule change to bring it back into the balance game that we love to play and watch.

GreeBo

fullstop wrote: »

I know the comment was made by someone else above, but I think they need to seriously look at the ball now. They have everything tuned to the nth degree to the point where he’s able to go at a 5 degree driver as hard as he can and not worry about the ball spinning too much and going off line. You could never have done that back in the days of wound balls.

I've always said it's the ball they should target first.
The ball is too smart at the moment, it means the players don't need to have as much skill as they used to.
Dumb the ball down (by removing dimples) and then the players have to upskill and also learn how to hit long irons again!

GreeBo

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Thats not really golf either though really. Or at least not golf as it should be and is like some of the not that good in my opinion American courses that have too much water lining the fairway. In the fairway. Or in the water. That heavy rough will penalise them sure, but its then just a hack out for a shot and carry on. So they will still gamble on the big hit. If the big his is big enough, then you can probably wedge it to the green. The hole proportion of the game and full range of shots through the bag is being lost and thats the problem. Not just that they can shoot 21 under. Thats always been there and those lads are going to be able to do that sometimes their so good. Its how they do it. And 370 yard drive stuff is like finding a flaw in the game. Not problem, its not cheating or anything. But its a flaw that has changed the game and needs now a rule change to bring it back into the balance game that we love to play and watch.

I 100% agree, but individual courses and tournaments can't do anything about the tech, all they can control is the course setup.
Its USGA & RANDA who need to get their fingers out. They jumped all over wedge grooves and COR back in the day.

BTW I'm ok with them hacking out and taking an effective penalty, we saw what happened to Bryson last night when he tried it.
I'd rather that than watch him hammer a drive and then pop an 8 iron onto the green in 2 on a par 5...

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True, but course setup can make a mess of it too. Us Opens went crazy in 80s and 90s with that kind of punishing roughs as they tryed to keep scores at their target of par to win or so and it was just wrong too where a missed green by f yards made a fool of the players as they chunked 3 times to get out and effectively couldn't pitch. And you could have a decent drive skip off the fairway and 6 inches was the difference between a clean iron in and a hack and hope. They tried similar with ultra narrow fairways but that was a nonsense too even though it made scores hig but in a lottery way and so nobody felt they were getting a fair chance. Threw up a fair few dodgy level winners too. So while the course setup can hide the symptom of mad scores and crazy drives, it's at the expense of finding worthy winner in the best golfer and becomes a bit of a lotto.

bren2001

Golf is my Game wrote: »

True, but course setup can make a mess of it too. Us Opens went crazy in 80s and 90s with that kind of punishing roughs as they tryed to keep scores at their target of par to win or so and it was just wrong too where a missed green by f yards made a fool of the players as they chunked 3 times to get out and effectively couldn't pitch. And you could have a decent drive skip off the fairway and 6 inches was the difference between a clean iron in and a hack and hope. They tried similar with ultra narrow fairways but that was a nonsense too even though it made scores hig but in a lottery way and so nobody felt they were getting a fair chance. Threw up a fair few dodgy level winners too. So while the course setup can hide the symptom of mad scores and crazy drives, it's at the expense of finding worthy winner in the best golfer and becomes a bit of a lotto.

Graduated rough. I don't think anyone is suggesting fairway or 6 inches of rough. You can have fairway, first cut and then 6 inches.

Fairway is fairway. They should be tight and challenging to hit with proper placement of bunkers (or tee boxes) but rewarding if hit.

First cut players should penalise a player meaning they lose the ability to control the spin on the golf ball.

The rough should penalise you to the point it is a bit of a hit and hope. If Bryson (or anyone) wants to try and overpower the golf course, there has to be a massive penalty for going offline.

GreeBo

bren2001 wrote: »

Graduated rough. I don't think anyone is suggesting fairway or 6 inches of rough. You can have fairway, first cut and then 6 inches.

Fairway is fairway. They should be tight and challenging to hit with proper placement of bunkers (or tee boxes) but rewarding if hit.

First cut players should penalise a player meaning they lose the ability to control the spin on the golf ball.

The rough should penalise you to the point it is a bit of a hit and hope. If Bryson (or anyone) wants to try and overpower the golf course, there has to be a massive penalty for going offline.

I actually am talking about fairway and then heavy rough side by side.
As Bryson ably demonstrated, controlling the spin is much less of an issue if you are only hitting an 8 iron for your approach.

Now if we bring the ball back and guys are hitting a 5 iron from the rough we might start to see people take more care to hit fairways.

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Golf should be tested by the design and length of the holes right threw the bag. Par threes should be spread from 9 iron to 3i for the longest lads, and more club for those shorter than them - that gives the longer lads their advantage, but they are all playing to the same penalising areas. The par 4s should have every from a wedge to a would second - and even more club for the shorter players. The par 5s should be everything from reachable in two for the longest (but with a perfect drive and a 4i or longer second), and the other three requiring 50-150 yards third shots for all them. That brings the orgin design of the course; bunkers, water, dogs legs, slopes, etc as the penalty areas for anyshot offline in play for all. Not that some can bomb the trouble away as the ball flies clean over it laughing, or being so long that missing the fairway puts you so close to the green that is easily reachable anyway even if its not with the ideal control. We have all the golf courses of the world - make them play the way they were built which is with the above spread of shots. And you can do that by making the longest lads able to carry it no more than 270 yards with full welly like McIlroy Dechambeao or Koepka.
Lest Make Golf Great Again. Shorten the ****ing ball.

GreeBo

I'd be expecting more then a 4i for your second on a par 5 for everyone. Reaching out at all in 2 should be reserved for the longest guys only and should be 3 wood territory, otherwise it's a long par 4.

santana75

bamayang wrote: »

Will there ever be a point where all of Brysons shots aren’t followed by a “WOW x yards out with a pitching wedge”...

Yeah Its getting old at this stage. The sky commentary team of nick faldo et al seemingly have to refer to BDCs diet and weight gain every time he's taking a shot. They're like that bloke at work who keeps making the same joke over and over and never understands that whatever humour that was there initially is long since dead and buried.

callaway92

santana75 wrote: »

Yeah Its getting old at this stage. The sky commentary team of nick faldo et al seemingly have to refer to BDCs diet and weight gain every time he's taking a shot. They're like that bloke at work who keeps making the same joke over and over and never understands that whatever humour that was there initially is long since dead and buried.

They're not Sky's team, but I now what you mean. It's a headwreck.

How about the old chestnut of "oops, Bryson's maths didn't work on that putt!"

Dr. Bre

Decent field for this weekend . Bryson finally taking a break

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santana75 wrote: »

Yeah Its getting old at this stage. The sky commentary team of nick faldo et al seemingly have to refer to BDCs diet and weight gain every time he's taking a shot. They're like that bloke at work who keeps making the same joke over and over and never understands that whatever humour that was there initially is long since dead and buried.

Do you lads be on the soccer forum complaining about soccer commentators saying how well Messi did and how good his control and skill was when he scores a goal? He's done it hundreds of times now, we know he's brilliant, so maybe they shouldn't even mention that he goaled at all?
Brysons driving is the topic of golf at the moment. Because he's playing very well and consistently. Because he won. Because he has changed his game for the better in a short period of time, ina a dramatic way, and he said he was going to do it, did it it, we can all see it, and it's getting the results. and it had implications for the whole game truly for those who care about it even if he is just it's most visible aspect right now. So for the 10 holes he takes a driver, and the ones he boms it past 370, and an average longer that 350, yes its worth talking about.

Mantis Toboggan

Bubba has some round going, quad bogey, triple and double bogey with 3 birdies and he's only on the 13th!

Mantis Toboggan

Bubba has some round going, quad bogey, triple and double bogey with 3 birdies and he's only on the 13th!

Mantis Toboggan

Bubba has some round going, quad bogey, triple and double bogey with 3 birdies and he's only on the 13th!

GreeBo

Speaking of triples....

Dr. Bre

2 good rounds from morikawa

gypsy79

Was there a rain delay....just settling down!!

And why do they keep saying it will be a different test next week? Its same course

Remind me

Shane moving along nicely now

Mysterypunter

Remind me wrote: »

Shane moving along nicely now

So are the whole field, birdies everywhere, morikawa shot - 13 for 2 rounds in the worst of the conditions

Dr. Bre

gypsy79 wrote: »

Was there a rain delay....just settling down!!

And why do they keep saying it will be a different test next week? Its same course

A few rain delays . Haha ye the memorial is at this course next week .

bren2001

gypsy79 wrote: »

Was there a rain delay....just settling down!!

And why do they keep saying it will be a different test next week? Its same course

Rough is being allowed to grow a bit more for next week. Around half an inch+ difference between the two weeks.

The greens are currently 11-11.5 on the stimpmeter. They will be >13 next week. That means this weeks pin positions can be very different to next week.

I think they are the main differences.

fullstop

Lowry +6 for his last 23 holes since getting to -7 yesterday. Another really disappointing week.

gypsy79

fullstop wrote: »

Lowry +6 for his last 23 holes since getting to -7 yesterday. Another really disappointing week.

He lost 4 shots in 3 holes after getting to 7!

fullstop

gypsy79 wrote: »

He lost 4 shots in 3 holes after getting to 7!

Yeah, really poor.

Mysterypunter

Justin Thomas is bogey free for 3 rounds, but this is still wide open, good course with a variety of testing holes

Deeper Blue

It'll be interesting to see if Hovland and/or Morikawa put a bit of pressure on Thomas.

From what I've seen Thomas is a far superior putter to both so I'm assuming JT will need to have an off day with the long game.

Looking forward to it

Mysterypunter

El Sue14007744 wrote:

It'll be interesting to see if Hovland and/or Morikawa put a bit of pressure on Thomas.

From what I've seen Thomas is a far superior putter to both so I'm assuming JT will need to have an off day with the long game.

Looking forward to it

Hovland might, he is accurate, and has recovered from being +3 after 9 on day 1. Early start today, 9:01 local time is the last tee time, 2:01 our time.

Deeper Blue

El Sueño wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if Hovland and/or Morikawa put a bit of pressure on Thomas.

From what I've seen Thomas is a far superior putter to both so I'm assuming JT will need to have an off day with the long game.

Looking forward to it

Not the best of starts for JT, bunkered twice in the first three holes and looking like Hovland is about to at least go level with him.

Luap

How didn't that drop for Morikawa!

Deeper Blue

That 5 wood from Morikawa! Good lord

Deeper Blue

Hovland in the water out of nowhere

Thomas having a bit of a shocker

LuckyGent88

Superb efforts from hovland and Morikawa on the drivable par 4. Unlucky for Hovland though.

Mantis Toboggan

Serious putting from JT

paulos53

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Serious putting from JT

Even better on the 1st playoff hole

Golf is my Game

Hell of a putt. Perfect.

Mantis Toboggan

paulos53 wrote: »

Even better on the 1st playoff hole

Absolutely, fair play Collin though.

Golf is my Game

Fair play and all thats some nerve and skill.
Muirfield village is really some super coarse too. Love the look of it and its got lots of interesting holes.

tinpib

This is like a Hollywood golf movie. Incredible stuff.

Deeper Blue

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Fair play and all thats some nerve and skill.
Muirfield village is really some super coarse too. Love the look of it and its got lots of interesting holes.

One of the best courses on tour. Compared to the course where they had the bomb and gouge fest last week it's like night and day.

Mantis Toboggan

Savage approach from JT

Golf is my Game

Top notch golf all round.
Cant wait for next week already, and add in some Tiger for bonus.

Deeper Blue

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Top notch golf all round.
Cant wait for next week already, and add in some Tiger for bonus.

Same, it's basically a major field next week and I'm interested to see how playing the course two weeks in a row impacts next week's leaderboard

BoldReason

Jesus that looks absolutely stimied for JT there.