PGA Tour Thread

vienne86 · 06-09-2015 8:39am

Diego Tristan wrote: »

Rory not going well, but in for the last 2 rounds at least.

Spieth going home early again. Shocker from Justin Rose at the last, missing a putt to make the cut from about 3 feet.

I get the impression that Spieth is just knackered. It's been some season for him.

First Up · 06-09-2015 8:44am

vienne86 wrote: »

I get the impression that Spieth is just knackered. It's been some season for him.

Speith was some sight on his last few holes - had totally lost it. He had been phenomanally mature up to now but the last two weeks he has looked more like a 17 year old than 21.

rrpc · 06-09-2015 9:45am

First Up wrote: »

Who said anything about predicting?

You said:

But as a way of deciding if Speith, McIlroy or Day is the "best" today, but maybe not tomorrow

I took your reference to 'tomorrow' as an allusion to prediction. My bad if that's not what you meant.

First Up wrote: »

When the differential gets into decimals, it doesn't separate players to any degree beyond meaningless.

Is that not the point though? Can you separate the top three at this point in time?

We can all see Spieth faltering and Day rising. That's reflected in the current rankings. It still remains to be seen if Day can get past Rory, but after this week, they'll be even closer.

I'm not sure how the ranking system can be faulted for pretty accurately reflecting what's happening in the tournaments.

rrpc · 06-09-2015 9:49am

First Up wrote: »

Speith was some sight on his last few holes - had totally lost it. He had been phenomanally mature up to now but the last two weeks he has looked more like a 17 year old than 21.

I think this was what some people were predicting would happen. That while he's chasing the top spot, he's not under any real pressure but holding onto it is a much tougher kettle of fish.

He changed his irons before the Barclays and then changed them back before the Deutsche Bank.

First Up · 06-09-2015 9:51am

rrpc wrote: »

You said:

I took your reference to 'tomorrow' as an allusion to prediction. My bad if that's not what you meant.

Is that not the point though? Can you separate the top three at this point in time?

We can all see Spieth faltering and Day rising. That's reflected in the current rankings. It still remains to be seen if Day can get past Rory, but after this week, they'll be even closer.

I'm not sure how the ranking system can be faulted for pretty accurately reflecting what's happening in the tournaments.

My reference to "today but maybe not tomorrow" was intended to illustrate how meaningless it is as a measure of anything.

Speith's faltering and Day's rising are reflected far more clearly in how they are playing today than in a system that also factors in how they were playing last year.

rrpc · 06-09-2015 10:52am

First Up wrote: »

My reference to "today but maybe not tomorrow" was intended to illustrate how meaningless it is as a measure of anything.

Speith's faltering and Day's rising are reflected far more clearly in how they are playing today than in a system that also factors in how they were playing last year.

I'm not sure what you expect from a ranking system if that's the case. To rank a player (or a team), you have to work out a method of measuring form and consistency with a weighting more towards current form.

The current system does that imo. The system can only be based on past results so you have to decide how far back you go and how you weight the older stats.

The real test is how the ranking compares to current performance. You could argue that Jason Day is currently the number one golfer, but that's based on what he's achieved in the past few months and primarily on the last month or so. Does that then discount Spieth's two major wins this year? Or Rory's two majors last year and his three wins this year?

From what you are saying above, it seems to me that you expect the ranking system to measure current form only. I don't think that would work since it would be constantly in flux as golfers go in and out of form.

First Up · 06-09-2015 11:11am

rrpc wrote: »

I'm not sure what you expect from a ranking system if that's the case. To rank a player (or a team), you have to work out a method of measuring form and consistency with a weighting more towards current form.

The current system does that imo. The system can only be based on past results so you have to decide how far back you go and how you weight the older stats.

The real test is how the ranking compares to current performance. You could argue that Jason Day is currently the number one golfer, but that's based on what he's achieved in the past few months and primarily on the last month or so. Does that then discount Spieth's two major wins this year? Or Rory's two majors last year and his three wins this year?

From what you are saying above, it seems to me that you expect the ranking system to measure current form only. I don't think that would work since it would be constantly in flux as golfers go in and out of form.

All I'm saying is that when a ranking system is deciding who is number one, two or whatever based on differences of decimal points, in some cases derived from events that happened months ago, it isn't telling you anything of significance.

LinksLad · 06-09-2015 11:28am

First Up wrote: »

All I'm saying is that when a ranking system is deciding who is number one, two or whatever based on differences of decimal points, in some cases derived from events that happened months ago, it isn't telling you anything of significance.

Multiply them all by 100. Now those pesky decimal points are gone. Shrapnel.:rolleyes:

rrpc · 06-09-2015 12:47pm

First Up wrote: »

All I'm saying is that when a ranking system is deciding who is number one, two or whatever based on differences of decimal points, in some cases derived from events that happened months ago, it isn't telling you anything of significance.

Well it's telling us that they're close. :pac:

Whether we'll get a clear cut leader or not really depends on the continuing form of all three players. Spieth's form is on a downward curve, Day's on an upward one and Rory is still coming back from injury but had been on a brilliant run of form early in the season.

If you look at the records each of them has had over the past two years, it seems quite fair the way it's worked out so far.

McIlroy: 7 wins, 6 seconds, 11 top tens. (2 x 100pt, 2 x 76pt)
Spieth: 6 wins, 6 seconds, 13 top tens. (2 x 100pt)
Day: 5 wins, 2 seconds, 9 top tens. (1 x 100pt, 2 x 72pt)

I've just given the ranking points for tournament wins with more than 70 points available.

abff · 06-09-2015 1:43pm

rrpc wrote: »

Well it's telling us that they're close. :pac:

Whether we'll get a clear cut leader or not really depends on the continuing form of all three players. Spieth's form is on a downward curve, Day's on an upward one and Rory is still coming back from injury but had been on a brilliant run of form early in the season.

If you look at the records each of them has had over the past two years, it seems quite fair the way it's worked out so far.

McIlroy: 7 wins, 6 seconds, 11 top tens. (2 x 100pt, 2 x 76pt)
Spieth: 6 wins, 6 seconds, 13 top tens. (2 x 100pt)
Day: 5 wins, 2 seconds, 9 top tens. (1 x 100pt, 2 x 72pt)

I've just given the ranking points for tournament wins with more than 70 points available.

The current ranking system has evolved over the years and I think it works pretty well. From time to time, players have dominated the rankings, but I think it's more exciting when there's a bit of cut and thrust at the top.

If Rory finishes outside the top ten this week, he will fall to number 2 (or possibly number 3 if Day finishes first or solo second). Leaving Day out of the picture for the moment, Rory will go back ahead of Spieth next week because his divisor will reduce. But his divisor will increase each of the following two weeks (assuming he plays) and this will favour Spieth and may result in Rory falling behind him again, depending on their relative results.

Any further play by Rory over the three weeks after the playoffs will also increase his divisor, so he will need to play consistently well to maintain his position. And of course, Day remains a realistic candidate to take over the number one spot if he can maintain (or even come close to) his recent run of form.

First Up · 06-09-2015 3:17pm

abff wrote: »

The current ranking system has evolved over the years and I think it works pretty well. From time to time, players have dominated the rankings, but I think it's more exciting when there's a bit of cut and thrust at the top.

If Rory finishes outside the top ten this week, he will fall to number 2 (or possibly number 3 if Day finishes first or solo second). Leaving Day out of the picture for the moment, Rory will go back ahead of Spieth next week because his divisor will reduce. But his divisor will increase each of the following two weeks (assuming he plays) and this will favour Spieth and may result in Rory falling behind him again, depending on their relative results.

Any further play by Rory over the three weeks after the playoffs will also increase his divisor, so he will need to play consistently well to maintain his position. And of course, Day remains a realistic candidate to take over the number one spot if he can maintain (or even come close to) his recent run of form.

Thanks.
Wake me up if anything interesting happens.

rrpc · 06-09-2015 6:02pm

First Up wrote: »

Thanks.
Wake me up if anything interesting happens.

If something interesting happens in the rankings then they're doing it wrong

First Up · 06-09-2015 6:58pm

rrpc wrote: »

If something interesting happens in the rankings then they're doing it wrong

Yes, I'll get my kicks from watching people play each other on the same course on the same day. It's usually possible to spot the winner.

charlieIRL · 06-09-2015 8:19pm

And back on topic....

I don't think I can watch any more of sky's coverage, no golf, all stats and adds.

HighLine · 06-09-2015 8:28pm

Fowler and Stenson going toe to toe... hopefully be an exciting finish tomorrow.

First Up · 06-09-2015 8:52pm

charlieIRL wrote: »

And back on topic....

I don't think I can watch any more of sky's coverage, no golf, all stats and adds.

Lots of golf on my TV - and good golf too.

vienne86 · 06-09-2015 9:42pm

HighLine wrote: »

Fowler and Stenson going toe to toe... hopefully be an exciting finish tomorrow.

Those two and Jones have put a bit of clear water between them and the others. Jason Day dropping like a stone.

pistol_75 · 07-09-2015 10:08am

Only saw a few minutes of the golf last night but after Poulter talked at the Sky Cart they went back to the commentator's who happened to be Roe at the time and he was saying how basically he found Poulter a pain in the arse a lot of the time.

How does he think we feel having to listen to him :eek:

HighLine · 07-09-2015 7:10pm

Stenson is going to be hard to catch tonight the way he is firing irons at pins again.

HighLine · 07-09-2015 7:14pm

And then Rickie goes and drops a bomb for eagle on the 2nd. Great golf to watch.

vienne86 · 07-09-2015 7:51pm

pistol_75 wrote: »

Only saw a few minutes of the golf last night but after Poulter talked at the Sky Cart they went back to the commentator's who happened to be Roe at the time and he was saying how basically he found Poulter a pain in the arse a lot of the time.

How does he think we feel having to listen to him :eek:

Mark Roe's voice irritates me and this constant 'Dja know woh?......'.....but he I actually think he is an OK commentator and talks a fair bit of sense.

HighLine · 07-09-2015 10:03pm

So this finish to the golf right now is fairly exciting.... but because it's the FedEx, this forum is like....

JIdontknow · 07-09-2015 10:13pm

I know it's come up before but them lads shouting after a tee shot are fecking painful, like if a 7 year old did it you'd give out, do these "adults" actually not get embarrassed.. I mean men shouting "mashed potato", "bubba bubba boom", or "light the candle" after every tee shot. Wonder what they'd say with a 5 iron wrapped around them!!

LuckyGent88 · 07-09-2015 10:25pm

What a huge mistake from stenson. He was shocked

HighLine · 07-09-2015 10:58pm

Gonna be a tough up and down for Rickie with the fear of leaving it short and the ball ending back at his feet. Stenson's looks a little easier.

HighLine · 07-09-2015 11:03pm

Great win by Rickie... went out there and took it from Stenson.

LuckyGent88 · 07-09-2015 11:04pm

Another big win for rickie. 3 wins this year. Been inconsistent really most of the year but 3 big wins.

Win just around the corner for stenson

rrpc · 07-09-2015 11:08pm

HighLine wrote: »

Great win by Rickie... went out there and took it from Stenson.

I think it was a gust of wind on the 16th that took it off Stenson. To be fair Rickie played great but it was Stenson's until then.

Armchair Andy · 07-09-2015 11:12pm

HighLine wrote:

Great win by Rickie... went out there and took it from Stenson.

Rickies only barely carried on 16. Wouldn't say it was a case of him taking it off him. Either way he finished the job. Hope he gets a major soon.

vienne86 · 08-09-2015 8:47am

JIdontknow wrote: »

I know it's come up before but them lads shouting after a tee shot are fecking painful, like if a 7 year old did it you'd give out, do these "adults" actually not get embarrassed.. I mean men shouting "mashed potato", "bubba bubba boom", or "light the candle" after every tee shot. Wonder what they'd say with a 5 iron wrapped around them!!

I just don't get it, I really don't. Very hard to stop though, given the crowds, I presume.

vienne86 · 08-09-2015 8:49am

rrpc wrote: »

I think it was a gust of wind on the 16th that took it off Stenson. To be fair Rickie played great but it was Stenson's until then.

Stenson was very unlucky IMO, but I'm delighted Rickie got the win.

First Up · 08-09-2015 8:58am

vienne86 wrote: »

I just don't get it, I really don't. Very hard to stop though, given the crowds, I presume.

Yeah, they don't handle their beer very well and some just like to be obnoxious. Boston sports fans are notorious for that sort of carry on - Brookline was the worst as regards golf but it is unfortunately the norm across all sports. Strange that it happens in such an otherwise civilised city.

rrpc · 08-09-2015 11:09am

First Up wrote: »

Yeah, they don't handle their beer very well and some just like to be obnoxious. Boston sports fans are notorious for that sort of carry on - Brookline was the worst as regards golf but it is unfortunately the norm across all sports. Strange that it happens in such an otherwise civilised city.

It's the 'that was me on the telly' mentality. All they're looking for is a bit of notice imo.

The problem is that it can affect a player's concentration on the tee. The fact that they shout after it's hit is not any real help because if you're standing on the tee knowing that the minute you strike the ball, some idiot is going to shout some nonsense at the top of their voice has to be distracting. A bit like a dripping tap, you start listening for the next drip.

You could see that Bubba Watson was getting pretty worked up about it and although I'm not a fan of his, I felt for him because he was getting the worst of it.

Mantis Toboggan · 08-09-2015 11:31am

In the crowd it's fairly obvious who's doing the shouting. Start ejecting these lads off the golf course and it will soon stop.

HighLine · 08-09-2015 11:35am

Just listening to Poulter's periscope from their flight home last night... both Stenson and Poulter were saying how they had to listen to heckling and abuse all day. The American fans really do tend to embarrass themselves but I doubt anything will ever be done about it!

rrpc · 08-09-2015 11:50am

HighLine wrote: »

Just listening to Poulter's periscope from their flight home last night... both Stenson and Poulter were saying how they had to listen to heckling and abuse all day. The American fans really do tend to embarrass themselves but I doubt anything will ever be done about it!

The thing is that many articles have been written about it, commentators give out about it on air and players are regularly complaining about it and nothing has been done so far.

Organisers are afraid to take action that might hurt attendances but at some point somebody like Bubba Watson will wade into the crowd with their driver and then it will be too late.

Rikand · 08-09-2015 11:59am

rrpc wrote: »

but at some point somebody like Bubba Watson will wade into the crowd with their driver and then it will be too late.

oh we can only dream!

vienne86 · 08-09-2015 9:25pm

Rikand wrote: »

oh we can only dream!

Sooner the better!

HighLine · 17-09-2015 6:45pm

Rory teeing off in a little over 10min. Have a feeling he is going to go low.

vienne86 · 17-09-2015 7:32pm

Jason Day on 4 under already.....only played 6 holes!

HighLine · 17-09-2015 8:33pm

It all seems to be going right for Day of late. And Spieth is demonstrating why this is such an infuriating game.... on fire for most of the year and the last 3 tournaments his game seems to have disappeared.

https://twitter.com/PGATOUR/status/644594898960785408

HighLine · 17-09-2015 8:39pm

Hahaha and then Spieth goes and gets an ace! Commentator's jinx! Again, some golf to watch.

https://twitter.com/PGATOUR/status/644597444957892608

LuckyGent88 · 17-09-2015 8:43pm

Not a bad shot to see when first tuning in. Should get him going.

Day is unstoppable though

HighLine · 17-09-2015 10:16pm

I think we are on 59 watch. (*edit*.. shame missed the chip in... 60 watch so) Day is just on another level. Golf tonight has been some of the best all year... but most won't see it because it isn't a "major".

lostatsea · 17-09-2015 10:46pm

Where is the golf? I'm watching highlights from last week. Can't get news anywhere of why I'm not seeing it.

accap1f8 · 17-09-2015 10:48pm

lostatsea wrote: »

Where is the golf? I'm watching highlights from last week. Can't get news anywhere of why I'm not seeing it.

Suspended due to weather

lostatsea · 17-09-2015 10:50pm

accap1f8 wrote: »

Suspended due to weather

Thanks - just seeing it now on Sky - I came in late. Why don't Sky put up a message telling us when we are watching highlights due to suspended play.

Armchair Andy · 18-09-2015 10:40am

Just watching last night's golf to hear some stupid shouts from the gallery got me wondering who will be the first golfer to start grunting ala Monica Seles mid-shot or better still hurling abuse back at them? Gotta happen soon imo.

Seve OB · 18-09-2015 11:03am

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Just watching last night's golf to hear some stupid shouts from the gallery got me wondering who will be the first golfer to start grunting ala Monica Seles mid-shot or better still hurling abuse back at them? Gotta happen soon imo.

Haha, I can just picture it.

Bubba disappears of the scene for a while to re-tune his game, comes back out for the Masters, on the First tee, as the pink driver makes it's gentle whissssshhhhhh, Bubba roars on impact "uuuugggggghhhhhh"

Rikand · 18-09-2015 4:24pm

lostatsea wrote: »

Thanks - just seeing it now on Sky - I came in late. Why don't Sky put up a message telling us when we are watching highlights due to suspended play.

Because then you might not stay and watch their advertisements during the break

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