The Summer Transfer Thread

smileyj1987

Eli Manning wrote: »

At least PSG have some competition. Marseille must be sick!

Oul Joey will win them the league .

CSF

rarnes1 wrote: »

What's the big deal.

He's joining a team that will be pushing for the league next season and should be in the CL the following year.

The money is nuts but it's peanuts to the owner of Monaco, pocket change.

The French League though. Hardly that exciting. I'm not surprised by it, but I wouldn't put this down to anything other than finances, which is fine like.

DubDani

Ricardo Carvalho has also just signed a one year deal with Monaco.

Dempsey

Some very shrewd buys by Monaco already

PeterTwo

DubDani wrote: »

Ricardo Carvalho has also just signed a one year deal with Monaco.

Carvalho is passed it, it's the kind of signing QPR would have made last summer.

Tech3

PeterTwo wrote: »

Carvalho is passed it, it's the kind of signing QPR would have made last summer.

Has the quality for the French league, the only team that will challenge them is PSG the others will be too busy containing Falcao, Rodriguez etc.

MD1990

Monaco are buying smart imo
Falcao,Rodrigues, & Moutinho have all played together at some point
being linked with Hulk now too

CSF

PSG are very short for next seasons Ligue 1 at 1/3 with all this considered. 7/2 for Monaco isn't terrible if they're about to add 8 more new players of similar quality to Moutinho, Rodriguez and Falcao (which they probably are)

Tech3

MD1990 wrote: »

Monaco are buying smart imo
Falcao,Rodrigues, & Moutinho have all played together at some point
being linked with Hulk now too

Coentrao is another, excellent signing if they did.

MD1990

Tech3 wrote: »

Coentrao is another, excellent signing if they did.

is Hulk a Mendes player?
alot of his players are joining Monaco it seems

swoody

MD1990 wrote: »

is Hulk a Mendes player?
alot of his players are joining Monaco it seems

yes he pretty much owns any player who plays or played in Portugal

not up to date but you get the idea....

http://chiquiesteban.com/graphics/jorge_mendes_top_40_players.html

Mikeyt086

Surprised I'm not seeing Nani to Monaco rumours everywhere tbh.

mike65

Bales agent pimping his client to Real Madrid

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/29/gareth-bale-tottenham-hotspur-real-madrid

Gareth Bale's agent, Jonathan Barnett, has appeared on Marca TV to express his willingness to listen to an offer from Real Madrid for his client. Barnett, the chairman of the Stellar Group that represents Bale, said there had been no discussions as yet regarding a new contract at Tottenham Hotspur for the Wales international and he added that in his view, Bale was "worth more than Neymar … he's a better player than him." The Brazil forward has just completed a high-profile transfer from Santos to Barcelona.

Barnett went on to discuss Bale's market value in relation to Neymar and how much the former may cost. The Neymar deal is complicated, with the basic fee to Santos and the other economic partners being €28m but the monies rising sharply with add-ons.

"Bale is a better player than Neymar and he's demonstrated it in one of the best leagues in the world," Barnett said. "I would imagine clubs want him not just because they missed out on Neymar but because of how good he is. He should be the first option, we'll see … Bale is worth more than Neymar.

"Bale is very relaxed [about the situation] … he's enjoying a deserved holiday. He only wants to be happy and enjoy his football."

Lord TSC

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Surprised I'm not seeing Nani to Monaco rumours everywhere tbh.

As much as some United fans hate to admit it, there's a reason the "top" clubs aren't lining up for him....

Dempsey

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

As much as some United fans hate to admit it, there's a reason the "top" clubs aren't lining up for him....

True but that hasnt stopped Jorge Mendes flogging a donkey to a top club before

Jax Teller

Why does everyone mention Nani & Jorge Mendes together ? Mendes is not Nani's agent .

Dempsey

Jax Teller wrote: »

Why does everyone mention Nani & Jorge Mendes together ? Mendes is not Nani's agent .

Because Mendes brokered Nani's transfer to United, not Ana Almeida. Who is his agent now?

Jax Teller

Ohne Berater according to TransferMarkt.com

Though United website say Mendes so maybe he has some connection with the other guy .

Liam O

Dempsey wrote: »

True but that hasnt stopped Jorge Mendes flogging a donkey to a top club before

I know I'm going to regret this but how is Nani a "donkey"?

Dempsey

Liam O wrote: »

I know I'm going to regret this but how is Nani a "donkey"?

That comment was more in reference to Mendes getting €9m out of United for Bebe. That said, Nani wouldnt represent a good buy for Monaco imo, he's not worth the wages he's reported to be looking for.

Mitch Connor

Dempsey wrote: »

That comment was more in reference to Mendes getting €9m out of United for Bebe. That said, Nani wouldnt represent a good buy for Monaco imo, he's not worth the wages he's reported to be looking for.

If you are talking about the 300k he asked off a russian club - that was because he had no intention of going there, and that request was as much to tell them to F-Off.

From United he is seemingly wanting 100-120k or thereabouts, which wouldn't be mad in Monaco terms.

Andersonisgod

mike65 wrote: »

Bales agent pimping his client to Real Madrid

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/29/gareth-bale-tottenham-hotspur-real-madrid

What planet is that guy on? I'm not doubting Bale's ability but his opinion that Bale is without a doubt better than Neymar is ridiculous. The Bara man has scored a stunning amount of goals in the Brazilian league (admittedly a weaker league than the Premier League) and is currently the star of the Brazilian national team. He's a sublime player with such a huge amount of potential, its not just any player that Barcelona spend such money, time and effort on but they are obviously confident that Neymar will be worth it.

LuckyLloyd

Andersonisgod wrote: »

What planet is that guy on? I'm not doubting Bale's ability but his opinion that Bale is without a doubt better than Neymar is ridiculous. The Bara man has scored a stunning amount of goals in the Brazilian league (admittedly a weaker league than the Premier League) and is currently the star of the Brazilian national team. He's a sublime player with such a huge amount of potential, its not just any player that Barcelona spend such money, time and effort on but they are obviously confident that Neymar will be worth it.

I know right! Zlatan and Alexis were hardly fit to lace Neymar's boots.

Andersonisgod

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I know right! Zlatan and Alexis were hardly fit to lace Neymar's boots.

Ibra's proven himself to be a great striker, one of the great strikers of his generation, his quality cannot be questioned, only his ability to fit into the Barcelona system. Alexis is a wonderful player, a former Serie A player of the year, in any other team, playing in his favoured central position he'd be a force for any other club, at Barcelona it isn't possible, he's been the proverbial square peg in a round hole, though he is having a strong end to the season. His ability and quality is not in doubt.

carlop

Andersonisgod wrote: »

What planet is that guy on? I'm not doubting Bale's ability but his opinion that Bale is without a doubt better than Neymar is ridiculous. The Bara man has scored a stunning amount of goals in the Brazilian league (admittedly a weaker league than the Premier League) and is currently the star of the Brazilian national team. He's a sublime player with such a huge amount of potential, its not just any player that Barcelona spend such money, time and effort on but they are obviously confident that Neymar will be worth it.

The one major flaw throughout Barca's period of European and domestic domination has been a seriously poor record in the transfer market. Hleb, Chygrynsky, Kerrison and then a few arguable ones like Zlatan, Alexis, Villa, Cesc.

Their record does nothing to inspire confidence.

Andersonisgod

carlop wrote: »

The one major flaw throughout Barca's period of European and domestic domination has been a seriously poor record in the transfer market. Hleb, Chygrynsky, Kerrison and then a few arguable ones like Zlatan, Alexis, Villa, Cesc.

Their record does nothing to inspire confidence.

I wouldn't call it seriously poor, I'd call it uneven or inconsistent. For all of the Hleb's and Chygrynsky's there have been Alves and Pique, Alba and Adriano, Keita and Henry.

It's a bit harsh to judge Fabregas this early, he's still relatively young and he is still in contention to break into the first team. I'd make a case for Sanchez too, he had a good first season and has had a strong finish to this season, there's still a chance for him. Villa was a good signing, he oozed quality but his injury has been a real setback to him, not fair to blame Barcelona's transfer policy on that, nobody could have predicted that. Ibra was a misjudgement, granted.

But Neymar is not a spur of the moment signing or the latest flavour of the month. He's a player that Barcelona have been tracking for some time, a player that they felt compelled to put down a €10 million deposit (for lack of a better term) on. To me, the patience that Barcelona have shown make this more of a Messi joining Barcelona (though of course the fees involved are considerably different given the different stages both were at when they joined Barcelona) than a Chygrynsky.

Francie Barrett

Overmars and Petit, the Dutch contingent that flopped badly a few years back - Barca have had their fair share of disasters.

MD1990

Neymar is only 21 & already has 20 goals for Brazil
he hasn't done it in Europe because he is very young
i personally can see him winning a Ballon D'or in 4 or 5 years

MD1990

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Overmars and Petit, the Dutch contingent that flopped badly a few years back - Barca have had their fair share of disasters.

Petit is French

Amirani

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Overmars and Petit, the Dutch contingent that flopped badly a few years back - Barca have had their fair share of disasters.

They've also signed Messi, Maradona and Johann Cryuff.

TaosHum

Rumour doing the rounds is that Monaco have now set their sights onto Hatem Ben Arfa.

LuckyLloyd

@Andersonisgod: the last few years have demonstrated that the below statement:

its not just any player that Barcelona spend such money, time and effort on but they are obviously confident that Neymar will be worth it

doesn't mean a whole lot. Barcelona get high profile transfers wrong - so they are not more than any other club on that front.

Francie Barrett

MD1990 wrote: »

Petit is French

I know, I was referring to Kluivert and the other Dutch flops.

Mars Bar

MD1990 wrote: »

Neymar is only 21 & already has 20 goals for Brazil
he hasn't done it in Europe because he is very young
i personally can see him winning a Ballon D'or in 4 or 5 years

...or is it because he hasn't been playing in Europe yet?

Andersonisgod

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

@Andersonisgod: the last few years have demonstrated that the below statement:



doesn't mean a whole lot. Barcelona get high profile transfers wrong - so they are not more than any other club on that front.

They've gotten a few wrong, but then Barcelona's transfers targets are always ridiculously difficult to determine because not only do they have to be of the very highest quality, with the right attitude but they also have to be able to play the Barcelona way. Ibrahimovic has proven himself to be a great player at practically every club he has played for, except Barcelona. On paper it looked great, a target man, a plan B and as an added bonus he has the technical ability of a nimble number 10. In action it didn't work out. I always have a bit of sympathy with Barcelona's attempts to find non-La Masia players to fit into their team and system.

Like I said though, Neymar isn't a flavour of the month, he isn't a plan B, he is coming to Barcelona to slot straight into the team (and not many players could say that) to offer more quality and to help Messi.

MD1990

Mars Bar wrote: »

...or is it because he hasn't been playing in Europe yet?

i just explained why he hasn't played in Europe

Mars Bar

MD1990 wrote: »

i just explained why he hasn't played in Europe

hasn't done it sounds like he was trying but didn't achieve. That's the way I picked it up!

missingtime

I've nothing against Barcelona, but that Eto + €45M for Ibrahimovic deal was one of the stupidest deals I've seen.

LuckyLloyd

I'll be laying Monaco to win the French League after they close more of these deals and the price drops further. They are buying a new 11 and that doesn't tend to work out when it comes to consistency and stability over a whole league campaign. Point of reference: PSG 2011 - 12.

CSF

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'll be laying Monaco to win the French League after they close more of these deals and the price drops further. They are buying a new 11 and that doesn't tend to work out when it comes to consistency and stability over a whole league campaign. Point of reference: PSG 2011 - 12.

I agree with you as a rule, but I would say that Monaco are signing a higher class of player than PSG 11/12

carlop

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I wouldn't call it seriously poor, I'd call it uneven or inconsistent. For all of the Hleb's and Chygrynsky's there have been Alves and Pique, Alba and Adriano, Keita and Henry.

It's a bit harsh to judge Fabregas this early, he's still relatively young and he is still in contention to break into the first team. I'd make a case for Sanchez too, he had a good first season and has had a strong finish to this season, there's still a chance for him. Villa was a good signing, he oozed quality but his injury has been a real setback to him, not fair to blame Barcelona's transfer policy on that, nobody could have predicted that. Ibra was a misjudgement, granted.

But Neymar is not a spur of the moment signing or the latest flavour of the month. He's a player that Barcelona have been tracking for some time, a player that they felt compelled to put down a €10 million deposit (for lack of a better term) on. To me, the patience that Barcelona have shown make this more of a Messi joining Barcelona (though of course the fees involved are considerably different given the different stages both were at when they joined Barcelona) than a Chygrynsky.

That's why I said arguable. I personally think Cesc has been quite poor, Sanchez is not much better than what they already had or could have got elsewhere for far less, Villa has been unlucky and Zlatan is a bit harshly judged, given he scored over 20 goals that season. However, I would say they are all arguable and both sides could be argued for each one.

Blatter

CSF wrote: »

I agree with you as a rule, but I would say that Monaco are signing a higher class of player than PSG 11/12

As already mentioned on this thread as well, Moutinho, Rodriguez and Falcao have all played with each other before which should help smooth the settling in process.

It is great to see the French league have two genuine superpowers now, it'll make the league far more marketable and interesting.

Dempsey

CSF wrote: »

I agree with you as a rule, but I would say that Monaco are signing a higher class of player than PSG 11/12

And players that already have played with each other before

SteelyDanJalapeno

Ireland kept Ibra very quiet.

Ireland > Ibra

GavRedKing

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Ireland kept Ibra very quiet.

Ireland > Ibra

4.5Million against 1 Man.

Odds were never in his favour TBH.

:pac:

SteelyDanJalapeno

GavRedKing wrote: »

4.5Million against 1 Man.

Odds were never in his favour TBH.

:pac:

Well if your gonna nit pick

Tech3

Monaco still have a fair bit to do in the transfer market yet to compete with PSG. Also they need a good squad not just the first 11.

Seaneh

NiallSparky wrote: »

They've also signed Messi, Maradona and Johann Cryuff.

Maradona has his worst patch of form at Barcelona, so you can't really call him a great signing for them.

Marty McFly

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I know, I was referring to Kluivert and the other Dutch flops.

Since when was Kluivert a flop at Barcelona?

Skylinehead

CSF wrote: »

I agree with you as a rule, but I would say that Monaco are signing a higher class of player than PSG 11/12

Are they? Ibrahimovic is as good as Falcao, Lavezzi is better than Rodriguez....sure Monaco have Moutinho but remember PSG signed probably the best centre half in the world as well.