The Summer Transfer Thread

yabadabado

Junior D wrote: »

I think he does have the potential, yeah. I saw him a few times with Vitesse as well and he looked very good to me anyway.
I think if he can tighten up defensively he could be a very good player considering how good a left peg he has and how much he can offer going forward.

I'd personally rate him higher than Fabio, always thought Fabio was a bit overrated myself!

IMO Buttner wont make it at United.Too many flaws in his game.He will end up at some mid table team,will still have a decent career but he's not United quality.
If it wasnt for injuries ,I think Fabio would have been pushing Evra for the the LB spot already.

Nuri Sahin

It was said at the time United signed him Buttner was too raw, especially defensively and simply never as good as some United fans had hoped. The move came too early for him and it's very much proven the case.

mike65

in two years

yomtea98 wrote: »

Bernard has moved to Shaktar Dortmund

Nuri Sahin

Dortmund won't need Bernard. We have Hofmann.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

An Citeog wrote: »

It wasn't actually down to shirt sales. Real Madrid controlled 50% of Beckham's image rights which is where they made their money. I'm not sure if they're still getting that big a slice from Ronaldo and other marquee signings but that's where a huge amount of their revenue comes from.

Dempsey wrote: »

All players have to give 50% image rights to Madrid to join. Its a term thats set in stone by the club.

Beckham paid off his own fee and several first team wages like Zidane & Figo during his time in Madrid. Something that Perez boasts to anyone that will listen.

I have my doubts about all this of fees being made back by the club, don't know how Zidane especially made over €50 million in image rights alone when he only gave 50%, I doubt any sports star makes that sort of cash.

Took this from the SSC. A good read for anyone with an interest in La Liga, goes a bit more into detail about just how broke the league as a whole is. http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/30010

Moneymaker

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Dortmund won't need Bernard. We have Hofmann.

Do all these young, talented German kids come off an assembly line?

They seem to have a ridiculous amount of young talent coming through for several years now, with no sign of it slowing down. Kind of scary the likes of Draxler is not even 20 yet. :eek:

Oat23

Moneymaker wrote: »

Do all these young, talented German kids come off an assembly line?

They seem to have a ridiculous amount of young talent coming through for several years now, with no sign of it slowing down. Kind of scary the likes of Draxler is not even 20 yet. :eek:

Watch out for Draxler's new teammate, Leon Goretzka, too.

Nuri Sahin

Moneymaker wrote: »

Do all these young, talented German kids come off an assembly line?

They seem to have a ridiculous amount of young talent coming through for several years now, with no sign of it slowing down. Kind of scary the likes of Draxler is not even 20 yet. :eek:

When it comes to goalkeepers, central midfielders and attacking midfielders, Germany are sorted. Could improve in other areas however in regards to youth, though I do really like Ginter at Frankfurt and think himself and Hummels partnership is the future for the national team. When it comes to strikers though is where things are not so clear cut.

Sarr (CB) and Ducksch (ST) are two other players I'm looking forward to seeing develop over the next couple of seasons at Dortmund, wouldn't surprise me seeing them establish themselves as first team players. Durm (RB) is another one perhaps as well to note.

Nuri Sahin

Oat23 wrote: »

Watch out for Draxler's new teammate, Leon Goretzka, too.

Max Meyer from their youth is very highly rated. The heir to Draxler.

jive

Oat23 wrote: »

Watch out for Draxler's new teammate, Leon Goretzka, too.

if football manager is anythin to go by then he'll be a top player! :pac:

BeepBeep67

I was taking the Sporting Lisbon tour this morning when we were invited to attend the press conference for the unveiling on their new Algerian striker Islam Slimani (I think). Didn't have a clue what was going on, but it was a nice touch.
Heading to watch Sporting and Fiorentina on Sunday

batistuta9

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

I was taking the Sporting Lisbon tour this morning when we were invited to attend the press conference for the unveiling on their new Algerian striker Islam Slimani (I think). Didn't have a clue what was going on, but it was a nice touch.
Heading to watch Sporting and Fiorentina on Sunday

are they still broke or what's going on?

BeepBeep67

batistuta9 wrote: »

are they still broke or what's going on?

Not sure about their financial situation, but they are definitely missing a trick at extracting an extra few Euro from people taking the tour. The club shop is small, no coffee, water or snacks available and you have to go searching for the ticket office (we nearly gave up) someone with half a business brain could double tour takings.

Winston Payne

Sporting have debts of over two hundred million euro and fully owned only four of their players in last season's squad. The big three in Portugal (themselves, Porto and Benfica) all have big, big debts.

batistuta9

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Not sure about their financial situation, but they are definitely missing a trick at extracting an extra few Euro from people taking the tour. The club shop is small, no coffee, water or snacks available and you have to go searching for the ticket office (we nearly gave up) someone with half a business brain could double tour takings.

would there be a big interest in the tours

Winston Payne wrote: »

Sporting have debts of over two hundred million euro and fully owned only four of their players in last season's squad. The big three in Portugal (themselves, Porto and Benfica) all have big, big debts.

a lot of clubs have debt but it doesn't really seem to effect them too much, is that what it's like for porto & benfica?
whereas the last i heard on sporting was they needed to sell players or they'd be in big trouble, that was ages ago though maybe even last summer.
they finished 7th last season too so no european money for them this year

benfica have recently launched their own TV channel, which will show their games first in the world to do this i think

dreamers75

batistuta9 wrote: »

in some thread here someone said the club get a higher percentage from shirts sold in the club shop or official stores, compared to other sports shops/whatever. Either way the money a club gets from a shirt sale is very small

Beckham cost €35 at the time, going by this article below he would've had to sell 2,916,666.67 shirts.
the data used is an average from '05-'09 but states the most jerseys sold by clubs (man u & Real) was between 1.2-1.5m a year.
you might be including other incomes for beckham & ronaldo but jerseys certainly aren't doing it or even covering their wages


article done last summer http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2012/7/30/3201349/how-much-are-shirt-sales-really-worth

COYVB wrote: »

Given that united and barca sell the most jerseys a season at about 2.2m, and that the clubs only see about £15m for ones sold in official club shops, and £2m sold at third party stores, there's absolutely no chance AT ALL that ronaldo made back anything resembling his transfer fee on merchandise sales yet. Like I said, it's not enough to cover 6 months wages for these guys, never mind their signing fees. It's a complete myth

Show me figures that Beckham made his fee back before the season... because that'd have needed Real to sell about 1.6 MILLION jerseys Beckham from their club shop. Given that Barca and United sell about 25% more than that globally over the course of a year, I'm calling BS on that one

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beaten to it

Its not just the jersey sales.

Its the value of sticking a poster boy on a poster to sell your club/brand. its aftershave ads, biscuits its anything that the chap is in. Its selling your club to markets that are not normally accessible to football clubs.

i didnt mention jerseys tho

Excellent post batistuta btw

PeterTwo

batistuta9 wrote: »

benfica have recently launched their own TV channel, which will show their games first in the world to do this i think

Does that mean that they'll get no tv money other than the subscriptions to their channel?

dreamers75

Fair few Euro clubs show their games on PPV internet streams.

I did my thesis on that very subject 7 years ago, noone bought in it tho. I was right dammit!!!!!

Winston Payne

batistuta9 wrote: »

a lot of clubs have debt but it doesn't really seem to effect them too much, is that what it's like for porto & benfica?
whereas the last i heard on sporting was they needed to sell players or they'd be in big trouble, that was ages ago though maybe even last summer.
they finished 7th last season too so no european money for them this year

Benfica's debt is estimated to be around the two hundred and forty million mark. I've seen various figures for Porto. One estimate placed it at three hundred and thirty million.

Headshot

Fair play to Liverpool I have to say, nice to see the player not winning for once

batistuta9

PeterTwo wrote: »

Does that mean that they'll get no tv money other than the subscriptions to their channel?

i think they'll get some TV money for away games, portugal has the same set up as spain with TV rights done by each club & not the league as a whole, going by the article

they've become the sole broadcaster for their home games and also have exclusive rights to the PL in portugal for the next 3 seasons

€10 a month for the channel

this is the thread about it with the story http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056984071

tupac_healy

Headshot wrote: »

Fair play to Liverpool I have to say, nice to see the player not winning for once

Too early to say that, by the end of window id expect 2 out of the 3 (Rooney, Suarez and Bale) to have 'engineered' moves....

Good chance of all 3

Headshot

Liverpool owner was quite convincing thou

Glico Man

batistuta9 wrote: »

are they still broke or what's going on?

Pretty buggered at the moment. At the start of this year, the coach started using reserve/youth team players to blood them in for the start of this season due to sales.

The Wolf has gone to Norwich for about £8.5million and spent £350K on his replacement (Slimani). Capel is for sale for £6million and the reserve player Bruma is seen as his replacement. Eric Dier and Thiago Ilori are those that are tasked with stepping up pretty much full time this season unless they're sold.

Filipe Chaby, Cristian Ponde, and Rúben Semedo have also been promoted to the first team squad this summer. Most 'Ins' have been loans, very small spends and inner club promotion.

Sporting have spent approx. £1.5 million on signings and have brought in around £11.5 million from sales so far.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Media in general and Perez seem to have done a u-turn on Bale leaving, looking like he'll stay now. If he does stay it will have been an extremely successful transfer window, sold no one of significant importance, brought in real quality and the club, and Bale in particular, will have gained massive exposure. Just give us another CB and I'll be over the moon!

K-9

Headshot wrote: »

Liverpool owner was quite convincing thou

Saying tonight that Suarez isn't going anywhere because Liverpool haven't the time to sign a replacement, seems pretty unequivocal to me.

I can't see the owners back tracking on this, they got burned badly by the Carroll deal and had to issue a public apology about the Dempsey thing a year ago. I think they are prepared to make a stand on this and the club seems to have the strongest hand. Arsenal would have to offer megabucks which isn't going to happen.

batistuta9

dreamers75 wrote: »

Its not just the jersey sales.

Its the value of sticking a poster boy on a poster to sell your club/brand. its aftershave ads, biscuits its anything that the chap is in. Its selling your club to markets that are not normally accessible to football clubs.

i didnt mention jerseys tho

Excellent post batistuta btw

i had a quick google on image rights when searching for the stuff on the jersey sales but only read an old article on the BBC about it

what i took from it was the image rights split occurs when the player & club are both being represented by the image, so a FIFA cover or cola-cola ad if wearing the jersey, the clubs own commercial deals too where players appear, that kind of stuff

and when - i'll use beckham - as an underware model, shaving instructor, etc. would this not be arranged by 'brand beckham' or the players own PR and the income solely theirs?

Nuri Sahin

Piazon joins Vitesse from Chelsea on loan.

Nuri Sahin

Wolfsburg have bid €20m for Osvaldo according to Sky Italia.

Seaneh

If that's true Roma will be doing backflips of joy, they've been trying to get rid of his since march, he's a headcase.

ben.schlomo

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Wolfsburg have bid €20m for Osvaldo according to Sky Italia.

Huge money for them, i was thinking it would be a much smaller fee if it was happening.

GTR63

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Wolfsburg have bid €20m for Osvaldo according to Sky Italia.

:eek:



:pac:

Nuri Sahin

Lyon's Lisandro Lopez has joined Al Ghafara for €7.2M

Someone I'll always feel should have achieved far more in his career once he left Porto.

Seaneh

Waste of talent.

GTR63

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Lyon's Lisandro Lopez has joined Al Ghafara for €7.2M.

Didn`t they sign Bastos too?

Meant to ask earlier but I am sure Porto & Benfica do get screwed on 3rd party deals, is that they are that skint.

Nuri Sahin

GTR63 wrote: »

Didn`t they sign Bastos too?

Meant to ask earlier but I am sure Porto & Benfica do get screwed on 3rd party deals, is that they are that skint.

Bastos joined Al Ain in UAE.

Al Ghafara are in Qatar apparently.

Yes, very much so they get shafted on many of their deals because of 3rd parties.

Nuri Sahin

Barrios to Spartak Moscow for €7M

Iz sad panda.

Seaneh

Good signing for Spartak.

Moneymaker

Seaneh wrote: »

If that's true Roma will be doing backflips of joy, they've been trying to get rid of his since march, he's a headcase.

Cassano V.2

Plenty of talent, but he's a raving madman.

Nuri Sahin

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Lyon's Lisandro Lopez has joined Al Ghafara for €7.2M

Someone I'll always feel should have achieved far more in his career once he left Porto.

Christ, I thought he had won Ligue 1 with Lyon at least once...



Only 30 years old too.

mitosis

Moneymaker wrote: »

Cassano V.2

Plenty of talent, but he's a raving madman.

Apparently has a life sized statue of Mick Jagger in his living room. Awesome player, though.

Lawrence1895

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Barrios to Spartak Moscow for €7M

Iz sad panda.

I hope, they don't sign Kagawa as well

Paully D

Anyone know anything about Ondrej Celustka (Czech right back who plays for Trabzonspor)? Looks like there's a good chance he's joining Sunderland for around £1m.

DM_7

Paully D wrote: »

Anyone know anything about Ondrej Celustka (Czech right back who plays for Trabzonspor)? Looks like there's a good chance he's joining Sunderland for around £1m.

Close to a whole new team now!

Paully D

DM-ICE wrote: »

Close to a whole new team now!

Another full back and central midfielder still to come hopefully.

It's well needed anyway. The squad we had were beyond awful, took us to the brink of relegation last year, and if we didn't make wholesale changes this year we'd have gone down without question.

tok9

Cardiff have signed Gary Medel.

I know a few on the Liverpool thread who would have been happy to see him come to Liverpool

Headshot

tok9 wrote: »

Cardiff have signed Gary Medel.

I know a few on the Liverpool thread who would have been happy to see him come to Liverpool

Nutter

The cards will be strong with this one

Nuri Sahin

tok9 wrote: »

Cardiff have signed Gary Medel.

I know a few on the Liverpool thread who would have been happy to see him come to Liverpool

Overrated in the Liverpool thread too.

*hides*

OctavarIan

tok9 wrote: »

Cardiff have signed Gary Medel.

I know a few on the Liverpool thread who would have been happy to see him come to Liverpool

Coming up on a £30m spend by Cardiff so far, and it should have been even more considering they missed out on a couple of players.

I'm not sure how much money the promoted clubs are getting this season. Are Cardiff being bankrolled by a foreign investor or are the promoted clubs getting a bigger financial windfall? Or a bit of both?

EdenHazard

Remember when spending 30 million was a big deal. In 2001 when Fulham got promoted there were people tipping them to be dark horses for 4th place because they spend about 30 million. Cardiff despite their spend would still be considered one of the faves to go down.