The Summer Transfer Thread

kfallon

GavRedKing wrote: »

Jose to Chelsea
Carlo to Real
Rafa to PSG


Wheel keeps on turning. :pac:

Mancini to Napoli? Or would PSG be interested in him at all?

amiable

GavRedKing wrote: »

Jose to Chelsea
Carlo to Real
Rafa to PSG


Wheel keeps on turning. :pac:

I don't think Rafa will go to PSG

kfallon

amiable wrote: »

I don't think Rafa will go to PSG

Yeah, think Phil Brown has been earmarked for that job :pac:

greendom

amiable wrote: »

I don't think Rafa will go to PSG

What makes you think that ? I'd think he'd jump at the chance - plenty of money to spend, champions league football - I really can't see any reason for him to turn it down ?

miralize

greendom wrote: »

What makes you think that ? I'd think he'd jump at the chance - plenty of money to spend, champions league football - I really can't see any reason for him to turn it down ?

Ok, now think of it from the owners POV....

greendom

miralize wrote: »

Ok, now think of it from the owners POV....

That's a completely different matter - I took aimable to be saying that Rafa wouldn't want to go there. I can see that he didn't necessarily mean that though.

AnCapaillMor

kfallon wrote: »

Yeah, think Phil Brown has been earmarked for that job :pac:

Suicide Rate drops dramatically in Paris.

kfallon

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Suicide Rate drops dramatically in Paris.

Karaoke nights up 50%

LiamoSail

kfallon wrote: »

Yeah, think Phil Brown has been earmarked for that job :pac:

I think phil browns a bit too homophobic to leave the uk

Cantona's Collars

Atletico Madrid have announced that Falcao will be leaving the club this Summer.

miralize

Man City get Falcao and Aguero to Barcelona please!

Seaneh

Rumors in Italy that Massimo Ambrosini is about to sign for West Ham on a free.

His contract is up in a few weeks time and he apparently wants to give the premier league a lash before hanging up the boots next year or the year after.

17 year at Milan, current club captain and generally great ambassador for the club. Very good player as well, will be a good signing for them if it happens.

swoody

Liverpool are set to rival AC Milans £5M bid to sign Juraj Kucka in the summer from Genoa

Nuri Sahin

BILD are saying Mario Gomez's agent has received a contract offer for the striker from Chelsea.

Andersonisgod

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

BILD are saying Mario Gomez's agent has received a contract offer for the striker from Chelsea.

:eek: Of all the strikers in all the world this one is who I'd like us to pursue the least. Will cost far too much money, will be on huge wages, general play isn't good enough, doesn't work hard enough, a bit like Higuain in that in a big game I'm not sure that he has the bottle to take a chance. There are far better options out there, not least a player already contracted to the club, Romelu Lukaku.

Red Crow

Andersonisgod wrote: »

:eek: Of all the strikers in all the world this one is who I'd like us to pursue the least. Will cost far too much money, will be on huge wages, general play isn't good enough, doesn't work hard enough, a bit like Higuain in that in a big game I'm not sure that he has the bottle to take a chance. There are far better options out there, not least a player already contracted to the club, Romelu Lukaku.

It's hard going trying to impress a guy that supports Chelsea and Barcelona all right.

Gorilla Rising

Twitter's buzzing about Kolo Toure to Liverpool on a free.

Milan also rumoured to be interested.

I'd pick Milan. Probably play a bit longer and at a higher level.

Still, great signing for a free.

Andersonisgod

Eli Manning wrote: »

It's hard going trying to impress a guy that supports Chelsea and Barcelona all right.

My standards are high, there is no doubt about that. As they should be, afterall if Chelsea have ambitions to win the Premier League and mount an assault on Europe's premier competition (which of course they do) then spending a crazy amount of money on a striker who isn't up to par would be stupid. Of course he could prove me wrong and be a huge hit but having seen him play a lot for club and country I seriously doubt it.

As I have said though, someone who has impressed me is Romelu Lukaku. Big, strong, quick, with good technique and whose decision making is improving all the time. He has a real hunger about him, similar to Drogba. I'm not impossible to impress but I doubt many Chelsea fans would be jumping around at the idea of spending 20-30 million and huge wages on a player when it could be better spent on somebody else.

swoody

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

BILD are saying Mario Gomez's agent has received a contract offer for the striker from Chelsea.

and Bayer Leverkusen have confirmed that they believe young attacker Andre Schurrle has already signed a pre-contract deal to sign for Chelsea

gnfnrhead

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Of all the strikers in all the world this one is who I'd like us to pursue the least.

In that case we'll let you have Bendtner for a cut price £25m. Throw in Park and we can do a package deal for £40m. :pac:

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Some Man City fans on Twitter claiming players joining newly-rich Monaco are mercenaries. The irony.

Gorilla Rising

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Some Man City fans on Twitter claiming players joining newly-rich Monaco are mercenaries. The irony.

They're deluded.

There's only a handful of clubs players will join where money isn't the driving factor.

Xavi6

Kolo Toure to Liverpool is doing the rounds this morning, supposedly having a medical after City's US tour finishes.

Good news for us - get rid of him yet still have him close enough to Yaya :pac:

missingtime

Xavi6 wrote: »

Kolo Toure to Liverpool is doing the rounds this morning, supposedly having a medical after City's US tour finishes.

Good news for us - get rid of him yet still have him close enough to Yaya :pac:

Will he be any good for us Xavi? Havent seen much of him?

DoctorGonzo08

missingtime wrote: »

Will he be any good for us Xavi? Havent seen much of him?

You never know what a new club could do for a player. His diet pill incident scrapped his run as a first team choice, but while he was never given an extended run he didn't do too much wrong either. Won't be a first choice for ye either I'd imagine behind Skrtel and Agger. Probable replacement for Carragher. If you get him cheap he mightn't be bad.

Xavi6

missingtime wrote: »

Will he be any good for us Xavi? Havent seen much of him?

To be fair, he did actually play quite well when called upon after Kompany got injured. He's not good enough to start for us full time though and with Richards back fit we have cover for the right side, both at full back and in the centre.

At 32 he's kicking on but still has pace, and he'd probably been an upgrade on Skrtel imo. You could do a lot worse but it's very much a short term solution.

A good move for both clubs because, as I mentioned, he'll probably not have to up sticks and move house away from Yaya. Suits us fine I'd say.

Morzadec

Xavi6 wrote: »

Kolo Toure to Liverpool is doing the rounds this morning, supposedly having a medical after City's US tour finishes.

Good news for us - get rid of him yet still have him close enough to Yaya :pac:

How good is Toure these days Xavi? Can't say I've seen a lot of him the last few seasons. Do you think with a run in a team like Liverpool he could get back to the level of his Arsenal days? Do you think he's a decent signing for Liverpool on a free?

MD1990

whenever i say Toure for City i though he done well
better than Lescott imo

Xavi6

From Tancredi Palmeri, who seems quite reliable -

@tancredipalmeri: Boom! Napoli pres. De Laurentiis: "We are in talks with Manchester City for Cavani and Dzeko"

DoctorGonzo08

Morzadec wrote: »

How good is Toure these days Xavi? Can't say I've seen a lot of him the last few seasons. Do you think with a run in a team like Liverpool he could get back to the level of his Arsenal days? Do you think he's a decent signing for Liverpool on a free?

Highly doubt you will see him back to his Arsenal standards given it's quite a number of years on, but on a free you are getting an experienced centre half that is as good a back up as you are likely to get without taking a risk on a player from outside the league. Will be interesting to see what wgae cut he is willing to take or whether Liverpool will do another Joe Cole and pay high wages given no transfer fee.

JaMarcus Hustle

Xavi6 wrote: »

From Tancredi Palmeri, who seems quite reliable -

Keep in mind that he's quoting possibly the most insane character in all of football.

everdead.ie

Xavi6 wrote: »

From Tancredi Palmeri, who seems quite reliable -

He had some rumour for spurs in January that turned out to be complete bull I'll see if I can pull it up.

Rubber_Soul

everdead.ie wrote: »

He had some rumour for spurs in January that turned out to be complete bull I'll see if I can pull it up.

Most likely Sneidjer you're thinking of. In his defense he only said talks had been held, people seemed to take it that meant a deal was done.

everdead.ie

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Most likely Sneidjer you're thinking of. In his defense he only said talks had been held, people seemed to take it that meant a deal was done.

Well this was his tweet

Sneijder agreed deal with Tottenham,and ready to move London asap.Waiting for Inter and Spurs to agree terms

Nothing definite in what he said I suppose.

That_Guy

A quote from Pardew.

"We’re liable to lose one of our great players to a Champions League team through finance and sometimes the will of the player.

Not sure who it's aimed at but wouldn't surprise me if it's Cabaye.

Setting the tone for an absolute shíte summer.

TaosHum

That_Guy wrote: »

A quote from Pardew.



Not sure who it's aimed at but wouldn't surprise me if it's Cabaye.

Setting the tone for an absolute shíte summer.

I'd be all but certain its Cabaye, considering the rumours going around that PSG are quite interested in him.

Red Crow

Plus considering how poor Tiote has been this year. Has to be Cabaye

Morzadec

I have it on good authority that Toulalan has signed for Atleti from Malaga. Won't be announced until the window opens.

That_Guy

TaosHum wrote: »

I'd be all but certain its Cabaye, considering the rumours going around that PSG are quite interested in him.

Don't blame him to be honest. Was promised a certain style of play, had a huge part in selling the club to Sissoko/Gouffran etc and ended up nearly being relegated with dreadful tactics.

dahat

Moutinho and James Rodriguez have signed for Monaco for €70m, according to Sky Italy....

First big lash of the window before it even opens!!

hefferboi

Porto v2

Montroseee

Porto are essentially an investment company. What is it, close to a billion profit in the last 15 years from player sales?

Nuri Sahin

Morzadec wrote: »

I have it on good authority that Toulalan has signed for Atleti from Malaga. Won't be announced until the window opens.

Les Verts came out with the story at the end of last week if I'm not mistaken. Very good signing for Atleti if it does go ahead, massive loss for Malaga.

GavRedKing

Montroseee wrote: »

Porto are essentially an investment company. What is it, close to a billion profit in the last 15 years from player sales?

Sky done a report and that figure was huge alright but on the flip side alot of the South American players are coming in under 3rd party ownership so not every single cent of the money goes to Porto.

Paully D

Interesting read on Falcao from Reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1e8ncw/explaining_the_falcao_move_to_monaco/

You have probably all already seen that Falcao is destined for Monaco. There were a lot of rumors about a potential move to Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid and others - so why does he end up moving to Monaco?
The answer is because of the complicated third-party ownership involved with Falcao. There was a very similar situation with Hulk when he moved to Zenit.
To explain this, we need to take a step back and first see how third party ownership works. Those in England would have previously seen this topic as it reached prominence when Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano signed for West Ham United. Here were two stars from Argentina signing for a club in London who were struggling to stay in the top flight. The controversy lead to West Ham paying compensation of £18M to Sheffield United, and lead the FA to ban third party ownership.

But third party ownership is still alive and well on the continent. It is most often applied with South American stars making the jump across the Atlantic to Europe. The way it works is that investment groups will purchase the registration rights of an upcoming player. This is sometimes done while the player is at a club, and sometimes as part of a transfer.

For eg. one scenario would be that a 16 year old star in South America would be approached by an agent and asked if he wants backing with marketing and making it big in Europe. These deals usually involve paying the player a better salary, hooking him up with a better agent, better management, sponsorship deals etc. If and when the player agrees, the third party owners will then go to the club he is registered to and negotiate to buy his registration rights - either all of or part of.

The player is then in the hands of the management and third party ownership group, who manage every aspect of his career from that point on. That usually involves paying him a larger salary on top of his club salary, placing him in clubs where he will get more exposure, etc.

The other way third-party ownership happens is that the investment group finances a transfer for a player. For eg. Porto want to sign a player from Brasil but don't have the funds, they would approach an investment group and have them stake 50-60% of the deal in return for the players registration rights.
The investment group make all of this upfront investment with the hope that at some point in the future the player proves himself, becomes a star, and can then exit at a very large valuation.

Some examples: Tevez and Mascherano were placed into West Ham by their investment group as a way of getting them more exposure. It worked out well in both cases as Liverpool purchased Mascherano (buying out the investment group and giving them a good return) and City eventually ended up buying out Tevez - albeit via Manchester United (who never owned the entirety of his transfer rights).

Back to Falcao. He was purchased by a third-party ownership group as part of his transfer to Porto. They bought 55% (likely more) of his transfer rights, supplemented his salary while he was paying at Porto and then moved him to Atletico for the purpose of getting him more exposure (likely with an eye on moving him eventually to Real Madrid). During the time Falcao was there, the investors were supplementing his wages again (infact paying most of them) and working on negotiating his big move which would see them cash out.
Porto's financials show the following for the Falcao transfer:

sale of 60% of the economic rights of the player Bolatti to the entity Natland Financieringsmaatschappij B.V., on July 2009, by the amount of, approximately, 1,500,000 Euro, (transaction perform under the acquisition process of 40% of the registration of Falcao)

There is another section where it is disclosed that they sold another 5% option in Falcao, and another section where it is disclosed that there is an option for a third party to purchase a further 10%.

The same filing shows that Porto only owned 45% of Hulk.

What is more interesting is who is involved in the Falcao ownership. The group is called Doyen Sports and it was founded by Jorge Mendes (most famous as Ronaldo's agent, but an infamous player agent who is involved in a lot of third-party deals) and Peter Kenyon (former Chelsea chairman).

On their website they have a page for Falcao and you can also see the other players listed. Falcao, like Hulk, ended up in a situation where there was so much invested in him that it would take a lot of money for the investors to see a return (known as being highly leveraged). They were paying his salary for a few seasons, had floated Atleti some money to keep them alive (they got some shirt sponsorship in return) and had made the initial investment when he first transferred.

Falcao ends up moving to Atletico in a 40M move - despite Atleti the previous season stating that they had to clear players out because of their 220M euro tax bill with the Spanish government. What this ended up being is a 20 + 20M deal. 20M never gets paid because its just the third-party owners paying themselves, and of the other 20M only 18M is owed by Atleti, who take an option of paying in two 9M installments (they were late on the first one, they only paid 2.5M and defaulted to the point of Porto threatening to sue and taking the issue up with FIFA). End situation is that around 60% of the rights are with the Doylen group. It also appears that while Falcao was at Atletico that Doylen took an option for a larger stake in him since Atleti were late on their payments. Something weird happen which involved Doylen taking a sponsorship. Either way, they had the majority stake and Atletico had no say or control of the player. For all purposes it was nothing more than a loan with Atletico having a small stake in his registration rights.

The president of Atletico Madrid continuously insisted that they own all the rights to Falcao, but this simply isn't true.

Falcao is on a wage of 10M euro per year, and the return the investors wanted is 60M euro in transfer fee. This narrows down the list of potential clubs that can buy you out to very few. Atletico had no say in where Falcao goes, they had an option in the winter transfer window, but that expired. The owners needed their return and they were going to get it one way or the other.

The list can be narrowed down to PSG, Monaco, Real Madrid, Chelsea and City. City aren't making large investments any longer, PSG have their fix of strikers. Of the remaining three, it is apparent that Real Madrid didn't want to pay up the 60M + 50M in contracts for Falcao (for whatever reason). Apparently Chelsea matched the 60M clause but to pay Falcao the 10M per season in wages would involve a total gross salary of 300k+ per week, which just isn't manageable.

Chelsea also have the issue of not being allowed to directly purchase a player from a third-party owner (apparently this is what turned ManU off a move) so it would have required a two-step sale with Falcao going to one club outright and then to Chelsea. Apparently with the David Luiz transfer on the same day he moved to Chelsea Benfica bought out the entirety of his rights from third-party owners (so you can summize that Chelsea gave them the money to buy out that deal so that they could purchase 100% of Luiz directly from Benfica, thus avoiding the third-party rule in England).

With all of these factors you end up with only one target: Monaco. They have the 60M to pay out the investors, they have the funds to pay his wages of 10M per year and better yet they have no income tax so they don't have to supplement the gross.

So in the end Falcao is moved around Europe by his investors with the only goal of making a return for them. He has little to no say in his final destination because of a deal he agreed to years ago while he was still in South America.

Morzadec

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Les Verts came out with the story at the end of last week if I'm not mistaken. Very good signing for Atleti if it does go ahead, massive loss for Malaga.

What is Les Verts a French paper?

Exactly the type of signing they need. Can't be relying on the likes of Tiago when playing in the Champions League.

Gabi and Suarez are decent but I think Toulalan is a step up. Centre-mid is probably the one area they are short of real quality. Simeone will like him too.

Morzadec

Paully D wrote: »

Interesting read on Falcao from Reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1e8ncw/explaining_the_falcao_move_to_monaco/

Wow very complicated.

Could Fifa follow the FA's lead and ban this 3rd party ownership too?

Also could it be that Falcao is in Monaco for just a few months to clear the 3rd party involvement, paving the way for Chelsea or City to make a move?

Dempsey

Morzadec wrote: »

Wow very complicated.

Could Fifa follow the FA's lead and ban this 3rd party ownership too?

Also could it be that Falcao is in Monaco for just a few months to clear the 3rd party involvement, paving the way for Chelsea or City to make a move?

I dont see Monaco buying out the 3rd party making it any cheaper for Chelsea or City. Monaco arent going to be out of pocket in that sort of transaction, if anything they'll have a 'handling fee' included for their part.

Cantona's Collars

Tancredi Palmeri ‏@tancredipalmeri 54m
BREAKING NEWS: Moutinho and James Rodriguez signed for Monaco for 70m €, according to Sky Italy

Tancredi Palmeri ‏@tancredipalmeri 2h
It's a day of pouring news. A huge update on Arsenal. Waiting for confirmation. Stay tuned

Seaneh

What's the Arsenal thing?