WWDC 2013 announced for June 10-14

Dman001

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

From the rumours of iOS7 and the new "flat" themes, none of it sounded like I'd be impressed.... Just seen the video on YouTube. And WOW! Consider me impressed. I want it now!!!!

And this is probably a really stupid question... But it showed at one point the home screen with a personalised wallpaper. And when the device tilted, the perspective of the app icons in relation to the wallpaper changed very subtlety but nicely. Was that just some graphical dohickory for the presentation or will that really happen?

Nope it is an actual feature, a very nice touch to add a bit of depth to the Home screen.

Graham

Perspective does change as you tilt the device, parallax effect I think they described it as.

Quick preview of the new control centre.

Dudda

Dman001 wrote: »

Nope it is an actual feature, a very nice touch to add a bit of depth to the Home screen.

It works like this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=opotech.image3Dlwp

skimpydoo

DubDJ wrote: »

Nope, haven't got a Dev account... although very tempted. But the overall Beta part is putting me off.

Just been picking up tidbits from websites etc. A lot of stuff i've been wanting has been added today so I really am chuffed and dying to get my hands on it.

I installed ios 6 last year as a beta on my old iPhone 4S and I soon regretted it. I wanted access to the improved Siri. The voice notification turned on and it took a day to turn itself off. It would do this again continually ever 3 or 4 days and I only found out how to turn it off once ios 6 was finally released. Also just when ios 6 was officially released my iPhone stopped working and said I had to reinstall my ios. This happened 2 days before I was going to Spain for a holiday, luckily this never happened in Spain.

Sad Professor

I was in work earlier so couldn't watch the keynote live. It's probably one of the best keynotes Apple has ever delivered. The announcements were great. A nice mixture of new stuff and stuff we've wanted for a long time. But what really impressed me was the passion and enthusiasm of all the participants. I've had my doubts about Cook's leadership but not anymore. All those guys look like they are at the top of their game.

I'm delighted with the iOS redesign. I was expecting a lot of bright colours. This is John Ive, the guy who designed the original iMac after all. I'm so glad that Apple finally have someone who understands design doing the user interface. OS X and iOS both started out looking pretty unified and deteriorated from there. I can't wait until Ive gets to work on OS X.

miralize

I know this is beta 1 but few things I need to point out. A beta has never been this unpolished as this one.

* Most apps do not work. Had trouble with Dropbox, Mailbox, Twitter Auth
* The keyboard doesnt show if its caps or small letters. It all looks like you're typing in caps (Helvetica is what got me)
* The magnifier when hovering over text is just overlayed over, it doesnt hide the unmagnified text.

And I've already said my bit over the issues I have over some of the icon and UI choices.

DubDJ

miralize wrote: »

I know this is beta 1 but few things I need to point out. A beta has never been this unpolished as this one.

* Most apps do not work. Had trouble with Dropbox, Mailbox, Twitter Auth
* The keyboard doesnt show if its caps or small letters. It all looks like you're typing in caps (Helvetica is what got me)
* The magnifier when hovering over text is just overlayed over, it doesnt hide the unmagnified text.

And I've already said my bit over the issues I have over some of the icon and UI choices.

Been seeing a lot of this, also people pointing out their iPhones are hot. I'll avoid this until its officially released I think.

Heisenberg1

I'm really happy that they have added multiple pages to App folders the limit was really annoying. Overall really happy with iOS7 some great features.

Graham

Dropbox does kind of hang there doing nothing.
Caps lock changes the colour of the shift key (really the key caps should change between upper/lower case).
The Adverts.ie app has been changed into a splash screen and nothing else.
Phone not getting too hot.
Things in general feel a bit snappier.

Apps With Issues:
Dropbox
Mailbox
Adverts.ie


Apps that appear to be working ok:
Flipboard
1Password
Airport Utility
Facebook
Google Maps
Pocket
Twitter
Tweetbot
LinkedIn
Meetup
Speedtest
LogMeIn
PocketKPI
4OD
BBC iPlayer
RTE News Now
Shazam
Soundhound
DublinBus
Bus Eireann
Aer Lingus
Sky News
Chrome
You Tube
Elevatr
TestFlight

So far all of the stock(standard) apps are all working.

danger mouse

Does anybody have the file to download IOS7?

Xavi6

Jaysus, that's so much better than I expected. Rather excited now!

Hurry up "fall".

guil

danger mouse wrote: »

Does anybody have the file to download IOS7?

http://www.evad3rs.net/2013/04/ios-7-download-install-links-how-to.html?m=1

danger mouse

guil wrote: »

http://www.evad3rs.net/2013/04/ios-7-download-install-links-how-to.html?m=1

Have you tested it yourself?

Gorilla Rising

That's actually a .dmg file?? I just downloaded it now.

Graham

miralize wrote: »

* Most apps do not work. Had trouble with Dropbox, Mailbox, Twitter Auth

Restore the phone from your most recent backup, this sorted out problems with iMessage, Dropbox and Mailbox for me.

seamus

The more I look at this (having just seen the videos rather than stills), the more this WWDC seems to have been, "Hey guys! Look at all this cool stuff we're doing now that someone else has been doing for at least five years!"

Proper multiple monitor support? Online office suite? Translucency? File sharing on your device? The rest of the technology industry has had this stuff as standard for a long time. They've also stolen a lot of design elements from everyone else. Swipe up to unlock; Yep, Microsoft got there first...

Also the flat redesign isn't exactly revolutionary. It's bandwagony, falling in line with the current design trends.

Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to getting iOS 7 and feeling like I've got a refreshed device. And I've no doubt that Apple will do this stuff really well. I just find it bizarre to see Apple and a whole pile of people jumping up and down about how wonderful a job Apple have done on this one. What they've actually done is take a big list of all of the easy stuff their devices have been missing for years and rolled it all into one update.

mad muffin

seamus wrote: »

The more I look at this (having just seen the videos rather than stills), the more this WWDC seems to have been, "Hey guys! Look at all this cool stuff we're doing now that someone else has been doing for at least five years!"

Proper multiple monitor support? Online office suite? Translucency? File sharing on your device? The rest of the technology industry has had this stuff as standard for a long time. They've also stolen a lot of design elements from everyone else. Swipe up to unlock; Yep, Microsoft got there first...

Also the flat redesign isn't exactly revolutionary. It's bandwagony, falling in line with the current design trends.

Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to getting iOS 7 and feeling like I've got a refreshed device. And I've no doubt that Apple will do this stuff really well. I just find it bizarre to see Apple and a whole pile of people jumping up and down about how wonderful a job Apple have done on this one. What they've actually done is take a big list of all of the easy stuff their devices have been missing for years and rolled it all into one update.

You don't really know Apple if you think that. And it's still slide to unlock. You slide up to reveal control centre and slide down to reveal notification centre.

Apple have never been about getting there first. Apple has always been about taking something and making it the best.

Graham

seamus wrote: »

The more I look at this (having just seen the videos rather than stills), the more this WWDC seems to have been, "Hey guys! Look at all this cool stuff we're doing now that someone else has been doing for at least five years!"

Like the tablet form factor and OS, did they not realise Microsoft had that years ago. You'd wonder why Apple bothered :pac:

seamus

Graham wrote: »

Like the tablet form factor and OS, did they not realise Microsoft had that years ago. You'd wonder why Apple bothered :pac:

But that's different. The tablet was dead. When they released the iPad, people scoffed and said it's just a big phone, there'll never be a market.

iWork in the iCloud is just jumping on board with an established and popular technology. The Apple of the last six years has been about taking known technologies and reinventing them. Look at the multi-billion-dollar global markets that Apple single-handedly created - smartphones, app stores, tablets, online music sales.

None of them new technologies, but all of them revolutionary because of their implementation.

There is nothing at all like that in this set of updates. Except for a cylindrical desktop.

Graham

The crux of your comment appears to be there's no completely new product category (a la iPod/iPhone/iPad). That would probably be fair to say.

Remember that this event marked the start of the WWDC though, a developers conference that includes a few new products/product enhancements. It's not really an Apple newproductpalooza.

Mimikyu

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Graham

It was a fairly major incremental refresh of an existing OS, I'm not sure how much whelm you can build into that.

I'd echo your sentiments about an App Store for Apple TV though, it's long overdue.

culabula

Graham wrote: »

It was a fairly major incremental refresh of an existing OS, I'm not sure how much whelm you can build into that.

I'd echo your sentiments about an App Store for Apple TV though, it's long overdue.

That really dismayed me that there was no update or app store for the device.

Graham

culabula wrote: »

That really dismayed me that there was no update or app store for the device.

Multi-screen/device Apps centred around the Apple TV could be an absolute console killer for most casual gamers.

DubDJ

I wouldn't of expected that to be announced yesterday. If they do announce an App Store I'd say it will be long down the line. Seems like they've had their hands busy with the iOS overhaul. Even the iPad version wasn't ready.

WWDC was the perfect place to announce the new store. But at the same time it will most likely be announced at its own keynote taking centre stage. I can just think of so many possibilities for it.

Yesterday's keynote was exciting enough for me and went well beyond what I expected from Apple. It's like all the stuff they've been missing the past few years have been thrown in there. So what if they're late to the game. I don't care I'm just glad it's finally here.

And yeah a lot of stuff has been on Android or as Jailbreak tweaks, but Android have been taking iOS features for years it's about time it went the other way.

mad muffin

I'm thinking an option for a black theme would be nice.

DubDJ

So it seems you don't need a dev account to register your device with iOS 7. Similar to some of the Golden Masters in the past. So this means you can just download iOS 7 from any of the links online and install it.

My question for the few people here with iOS 7, can you downgrade back to 6.1.3?

Deep Thought

So...to install not not.....

iclarified have verified you can roll back....

http://www.iclarified.com/31004/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-7-beta-to-ios-6

Graham

DubDJ wrote: »

So it seems you don't need a dev account to register your device with iOS 7. Similar to some of the Golden Masters in the past. So this means you can just download iOS 7 from any of the links online and install it.

My question for the few people here with iOS 7, can you downgrade back to 6.1.3?

I'm seeing a few reports of people that installed the Beta without registering their device UDID in their developer accounts. Hello iBrick.

I'm not suggesting you're wrong DubDJ, just proceed with caution if you need your phone.

Added: I agree that an Apple TV App Store would definitely warrant its own event.

Gorilla Rising

DubDJ wrote: »

Android have been taking iOS features for years it's about time it went the other way.

Like what? Genuine question.

DubDJ wrote: »

So it seems you don't need a dev account to register your device with iOS 7. Similar to some of the Golden Masters in the past. So this means you can just download iOS 7 from any of the links online and install it.

Yeah I've never had to have a dev account to update in the past. I don't mind using my iPhone as a guinea pig!

guil

Graham wrote: »

I'm seeing a few reports of people that installed the Beta without registering their device UDID in their developer accounts. Hello iBrick.

I'm not suggesting you're wrong DubDJ, just proceed with caution if you need your phone.

Added: I agree that an Apple TV App Store would definitely warrant its own event.

Any links. I'm nearly certain I just installed the iOS 4 beta on my 3GS without getting the udid registered

Graham

Sorry guil, the posts are on a particular members only dev forum. There's not a deluge of failures but there are a few 'how do I restore', 'I forgot to add my UDID' etc etc.

To be clear, I'm not saying it won't work, I just wouldn't be offering up my iPhone as the sacrificial guinea pig.

DubDJ

Gorilla Rising wrote: »

Like what? Genuine question.

Well just from the most recent event, Google Play Games was a complete copy of Game Centre. Even adding the game progress sync that Apple uses through iCloud. Hangouts was the Android version of iMessage (plus they mentioned its planned to be integrated to the Messages app just like iMessages) and even down to getting involved with the Education market, same as Apple did last year.

Not tryna start the typical debate that always ends up here but just saying if Android takes a few things from Apple than why not the other way around. Also to note a lot of the stuff from yesterday was also actually third party ideas rather than from the Android team itself.

Dman001

seamus wrote: »

The more I look at this (having just seen the videos rather than stills), the more this WWDC seems to have been, "Hey guys! Look at all this cool stuff we're doing now that someone else has been doing for at least five years!"

Proper multiple monitor support? Online office suite? Translucency? File sharing on your device? The rest of the technology industry has had this stuff as standard for a long time. They've also stolen a lot of design elements from everyone else. Swipe up to unlock; Yep, Microsoft got there first...

Also the flat redesign isn't exactly revolutionary. It's bandwagony, falling in line with the current design trends.

Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to getting iOS 7 and feeling like I've got a refreshed device. And I've no doubt that Apple will do this stuff really well. I just find it bizarre to see Apple and a whole pile of people jumping up and down about how wonderful a job Apple have done on this one. What they've actually done is take a big list of all of the easy stuff their devices have been missing for years and rolled it all into one update.

While I agree wholly to what you said, and actually I was quite shocked to see them going into great depth into the multiple monitor support on OSX (I was always under the illusion that OSX could do that for years now!), the thing with Apple is that when they do eventually get around to implementing these heavily available features, Apple have a way of doing it a way that just works and often creates a standard to how it should be done.

Take AirDrop for example to share files. Phil Schiller had a point when he said that you don't have to go around to each individual and "bump" your phone to share a file - a stab at Android Beam and NFC I assume, or even the App 'Bump'. It should be as easy as pressing a button to send a file to another person in fairness.

While there's little innovation in the idea in terms of the features Apple announced, there's innovation in how it is implemented. While I know I sound quite Fanboy-ish (I'm actually a long time Android user), but I know from experience that Apple have a tendency of just making things work.

Gorilla Rising

Dman001 wrote: »

Take AirDrop for example to share files. Phil Schiller had a point when he said that you don't have to go around to each individual and "bump" your phone to share a file - a stab at Android Beam and NFC I assume, or even the App 'Bump'. It should be as easy as pressing a button to send a file to another person in fairness.

That's all well and good, but give me NFC any day. It has far more capabilities than just sharing a photo.

I wonder if it means the next iPhone won't have it either....

Think I'll be mosying on back to the other side.

mad muffin

The problem with airdrop is that you need wifi. With NFC you don't.

Graham

Gorilla Rising wrote: »

That's all well and good, but give me NFC any day. It has far more capabilities than just sharing a photo.

I wonder if it means the next iPhone won't have it either....

Think I'll be mosying on back to the other side.

The problem with NFC is obviously the phone has to have an NFC radio and the object has to be NFC tagged (or the recipient device has to have an NFC radio). No extra hardware necessary for Airdrop.

My Nexus 4 has NFC and its fantastic for reading and writing the box of NFC tags that I bought for testing. In fact I can quite honestly say its probably one of the best devices out there for, errr, hmmmm, ahhhhhh, reading the box of NFC tags I bought for testing :pac:

Graham

mad muffin wrote: »

The problem with airdrop is that you need wifi. With NFC you don't.

The problem with NFC is you need NFC, with wifi you don't.

Piliger

Graham wrote: »

The problem with NFC is you need NFC, with wifi you don't.

The problem with NFC is that you have to be NEAR ... with wifi you don't.

NFC is a waste of time and resources until NFC starts to be used somewhere useful.

Dman001

@mad muffin NFC on mobile devices is only used to initiate a connection, then the file itself is sent via Bluetooth (Nokia Lumias for example) or WiFi Direct (Samsung GS3). So Wifi/Bluetooth has to be present on a device anyway.

Dudda

Instead of arguing over having NFC or a wifi Direct/Air Drop system consumers should be demanding both as your not always in a wifi area.

What's wrong with having both?

Graham

Although I wouldn't object to a device having NFC, I just can't see much of a purpose to it YET.

Air Drop is being cultivated in typical Apple fashion. It's being extended and enhanced little by little to an ever increasing audience.

The vast majority of current NFC enabled phones will be landfill without the original owners ever realising that feature was present.

Sad Professor

It'll be interesting to see how secure the new re-activation feature is. If it's as good as it sounds, then thieves will have far harder time shifting stolen iPhones. Their only option will be to sell them for spare parts.

DubDJ

Sad Professor wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see how secure the new re-activation feature is. If it's as good as it sounds, then thieves will have far harder time shifting stolen iPhones. Their only option will be to sell them for spare parts.

Or hopefully not steal them at all...

Savage Tyrant

Does contacting your network and reporting the phone stolen and having the IMEI number blocked, not render the phone useless already?

mad muffin

Graham wrote: »

The problem with NFC is you need NFC, with wifi you don't.

Lets say you are out and about, how are you going to use wifi?

Graham

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Does contacting your network and reporting the phone stolen and having the IMEI number blocked, not render the phone useless already?

Pretty much, until it's exported.

Sad Professor

DubDJ wrote: »

Or hopefully not steal them at all...

No, because Find My iPhone has to be enabled. As we know from this forum, most people don't take the time to enable it or find out how it works until after their phone is stolen.

Tracking features are a waste of time anyway. They are nothing more than a placebo for users. A thief will always be able to disable them. Firmware-related security features like iCloud re-activation in iOS 7 are a far better way to discourage thieves.

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Does contacting your network and reporting the phone stolen and having the IMEI number blocked, not render the phone useless already?

Yes, but only on Irish networks.

Graham

mad muffin wrote: »

Lets say you are out and about, how are you going to use wifi?

Given the proliferation of each, you're more likely to be near wifi than NFC.

Most (if not all) smartphones have WiFi, the same can't be said about NFC.

Sad Professor

Hopefully there's an option to disable automatic updates for specific apps. Some developers simply can't be trusted with this. (Can anyone with the beta confirm?)

With iCloud Keychain, Apple have once again rendered a popular third party app redundant for most users. But I'm glad. 1Password have been milking their customers of late. The app never worked too well on iOS anyway and the latest version is ghastly looking.