Is Drink Spiking an Urban Myth or big catch all excuse?

dd972

To explain myself more lucidly, of course it's happened and such a thing exists in the great out there, however, how many stories do you hear of someone's behavior in a court case or whatever being attributed to someone spiking their drink?

I can't say I've ever witnessed someone's drink being spiked.

hfallada

Depending on what it's spiked with. My friends drink was spiked with e accidentally. While at oxegen one of the girl got a date rape drug put in her drink.(she wasn't raped through). My friends friend collapsed after someone slipped something into his drink.

I'm 19 and i have a good few getting anything put into their drinks. That why I avoid drinking when our. But the most common date rape drug is alcohol. A majority of rape victims who claim they were date rape were just wasted from drink

Boombastic

hfallada wrote: »

Depending on what it's spiked with. My friends drink was spiked with e accidentally. While at oxegen one of the girl got a date rape drug put in her drink.(she wasn't raped through). My friends friend collapsed after someone slipped something into his drink.

I'm 19 and i have a good few getting anything put into their drinks. That why I avoid drinking when our. But the most common date rape drug is alcohol. A majority of rape victims who claim they were date rape were just wasted from drink

Was it proven with medical tests?

Odysseus

The cases that end up being treated by the sexual assualt clinics show that the a persons drink is generally spiked with alcohol. That last report/statement they issued that I know about was approx 18 months ago and they had no actual positive results at that stage.

So it appears to be a myth in Ireland in anyway.

ahnowbrowncow

hfallada wrote: »

Depending on what it's spiked with. My friends drink was spiked with e accidentally. While at oxegen one of the girl got a date rape drug put in her drink.(she wasn't raped through). My friends friend collapsed after someone slipped something into his drink.

I'm 19 and i have a good few getting anything put into their drinks. That why I avoid drinking when our. But the most common date rape drug is alcohol. A majority of rape victims who claim they were date rape were just wasted from drink

How do they know someone put something into their drink??? If they saw someone put something in the drink then why the fook did they drink it??? I call bull**** on stories like these.

gallag

I used to lleave my drink around hoping some **** would spike it, always ended up buying it my self ffs.

arybvtcw0eolkf

In my experience its myth.

I hear it all the time.. Mostly its either a friend throwing in a few extra shots and thinking they're being clever or an over indulgence on behalf of the person (usually a young female).

Same goes for phones and wallets being nicked "where did you have it?'' ~ "In the toilet, at the bar, left it on the table" etc..

People just can not take responsibility for their own actions.

Red Crow

It's an excuse most girls use when they get sh1tfaced.

What's even funnier is that most girls that use the excuse of getting spiked are more likely to be tranquilized and returned to the zoo.

dd972

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

How do they know someone put something into their drink??? If they saw someone put something in the drink then why the fook did they drink it??? I call bull**** on stories like these.

This is pretty much the basis for the thread, you see it so often in things like the Indo, it makes you wonder ''who's this phantom drink spiker? I never see them''

ColeTrain

'My little Peter broke three car windows and made a poo on our doorstep, his glass of cider was spiked'

'We found out sweet daughter Katie in bed with a midget and a goat while speaking in tongues, her WestCoastCooler had to have been spiked'

It probably happens but there's no doubt it's used as an excuse for when people go too hard on the drink.

Red Crow

dd972 wrote: »

This is pretty much the basis for the thread, you see it so often in things like the Indo, it makes you wonder ''who's this phantom drink spiker? I never see them''

What's sad too is that its an excuse for sleeping with someone or doing something stupid.

Ihatecuddles-old

I think It's myth. I've gotten in some states, but it was all my own doing.

I can't stand people saying 'oh I drank ten pints last Saturday and I was fine, so I was obviously spiked last night'

Excedion

Friend was nearly spiked by a lad offering him to down a pint for a fiver. He went to do it and there was an LSD stamp at the bottom of the glass. Needless to say that offer was quickly rejected.

As for date-rape drunks or their ilk havent seen it. To be honest the only time I've seen peoples drinks getting spiked was with laxatives.

Fr_Fitzexactly

An excuse for slappers to be slappers most of the time I'd say

Gatling

I've seen it while working for a club in the uk, we had to take a drugs awareness course
What to look for when dealing with people suspected of being spiked bit of an eye opener ,
Its an be all excuse here ,


it wasn't me I was spiked

Arcsin

It doesn't happen. We are supposed to believe that someone puts drugs (of which there is no trace later) into strangers drinks. For what benefit? Most supposed victims of this aren't robbed, raped or poisoned.

Its just drama queens of both sexes wanting to play the victim to deflect from the fact they got far too drunk and made an ass of themselves.

xii

dd972 wrote: »

To explain myself more lucidly, of course it's happened and such a thing exists in the great out there, however, how many stories do you hear of someone's behavior in a court case or whatever being attributed to someone spiking their drink?

I can't say I've ever witnessed someone's drink being spiked.

after a few beers when I revisit where I thought my one was I always seem to swig a warm one.

aidan24326

Massive urban myth.

'My drink got spiked' = I drank so much I passed out and can't remember what the fcuk happened.

Does it happen? Yes, occasionally. Does it happen as much as so-called urban myth/legend would have us believe? Not a chance.

It's an easy excuse when you've gone way overboard.

Mr Whirly

I used to think it was a myth but very recently two girls I know went from sober to passed out in the space of a couple of hours in a popular late bar in Dublin. Same thing happened in the same place to mates before. Bouncers were having none of it when asked and the guards said it has been happening more frequently when they had to get involved.

The bouncers who are posting in this thread hate the idea of this happening frequently on their watch because it shows they are incompetent.

Mr Whirly

Also if anyone has seen someone spiked with roofies they aren't gonna cause any public order offence other than being completely unable to stand or control themselves. No fighting etc...

wonderfulname

It does happen, in my experience in a joke gone wrong way as opposed to a bogeyman rapist way, I know a guy who was spiked with Viagra, which was apparently hilarious until it wouldn't go down...

Boombastic

Mr Whirly wrote: »

I used to think it was a myth but very recently two girls I know went from sober to passed out in the space of a couple of hours in a popular late bar in Dublin. ............

Over a few hours
Late night bar
Sober to passed out





No mention of how much of what they drank.

Arcsin

It's like the MasterCard ad:

High pitched shouting: 4 vodkas
Dancing on tables: 6 vodkas
Getting thrown out of a nightclub: 8 vodkas
Kissing an ugly randomer on the street: 10 vodkas
Indecent exposure: 12 vodkas

Puking, ****ting your pants and punching a cop: Roofies

There's some things only "I was spiked" can explain away.

For everything else there's "I was drunk".

Mr Whirly

wonderfulname wrote: »

It does happen, in my experience in a joke gone wrong way as opposed to a bogeyman rapist way.

Getting spiked with a yoke and getting spiked with a roofie are entirely different things.

Mr Whirly

Boombastic wrote: »

Over a few hours
Late night bar
Sober to passed out





No mention of how much of what they drank.

They came out at about 11, no drink had before. The guards were involved by about half one. No shots.

April O Neill

Eli Manning wrote: »

What's even funnier is that most girls that use the excuse of getting spiked are more likely to be tranquilized and returned to the zoo.

I've read this a few times and it still doesn't make any sense.

Seaneh

I haven't read any of this thread and I couldn't be arsed to be honest but I am going to say this.

I have a few good friends who are doctors. One particular friend has, since finishing her registration year, worked almost exclusively in A&E and M.A.U. Departments.

Every week for the last 3/4 years my friend and her colleagues are presented with a handful of girls, usually aged between 17-25, but sometimes older, who's friends claim that their drink was spiked. The girls are usually awake but totally off their heads, uncommunicative and nonresponsive. Their friends tell the people admitting the girl stuff like "she was grand and then all of a sudden went like this".
The medical staff, as they should, treat these cases very seriously, the girls are taken for a full examination, have blood works done ASAP and urine samples taken when possible. They are then treated for the symptoms and checked on regularly to make sure they are doing well. Their friends are sent home and the doctors and nurses in the A&E dept look after these young women.

Not once in the several years my friend had been practicing in Ireland has anything besides excessive alcohol and reactiona drugs like weed and occasionally harder stuff like cocaine shown up in anyone's blood works. No sedatives, no sleepers, no "roofies", nada.

The girls are usually just so absolutely off their faces, rat arsed drunk that they cannot function.

Of course the wake up the next day feeling like they are going to die because they have mild alcohol poisoning and go back to their friends and continue to believe they were "spiked", but the reality is, that in the vast majority of these cases, the girls involved drank too much and made a tit out of themselves.


Does date rape happen in Ireland, yes, definitely, and that's disgusting, but more often than not, it's not people being "roofied".
I'd say the most common drug used is alcohol.
Scumbags taking advantage of passed out drunk girls they brought home with them and raping them while they are near comatosed.

immature ejaculation

While I'm sure it does happen it doesn't happen as much as people say! Most people drink way too much these days before they go into town and the mixture of fresh air and a few more drinks and they are all over the place. And all their friends ever remember is sure poor auld Jim or Sarah only had two or three drinks they must of been spiked and nothing to do with the bottle of vodka before hand!

wonderfulname

Mr Whirly wrote: »

Getting spiked with a yoke and getting spiked with a roofie are entirely different things.

I said in my experience, honestly I'd say it's possible, I was out one night, didn't drink beforehand, and my second drink of the night was handed to me by a friend after it was bought by a stranger, sipping it, a third of the way down I was not drunk, but not near right, it took a lot of effort to function, I knew well enough to tip it and not consume anything for quite a while. Would I say I was spiked? It's definitely possible, but I can't rule out that I just wasn't up to drink that night or that I hadn't had anything earlier that provoked a funny reaction. I'd say the same for friends, I've carted people in strange states out of pubs after little alcohol but there is no way I can claim there was nothing in their system they were unaware of, differing degrees of likelihood but I'd never be able to stand up and say 'they were spiked', and I'd say in any of those circumstances people should have taken more personal responsibility in what they were doing.

gingernut125

To be fair, you can spike a drink with alcohol.

Mr Whirly

Just on the point above about A&E. the Gards that took these girls home never even mentioned bringing them to hospital.

MadsL

I was spiked by the massive wanker of a Bar Manager where I worked. I drank four pints and went home for an early night, a normal session for me at that time would have been at least eight pints plus shots.

I started to feel ill as soon as I got to the metro and then the next thing I remember was waking up four hours later covered in vomit with paramedics standing over me and then being put into an ambulance, I blacked out again only to come around strapped down to a table being given an injection.

I woke up the next morning in a ward. The doctor asked me what I had been drinking the night before, when I told him just four beers, he shook his head and told me that this was impossible as I had been admitted with acute alcohol poisoning.

The cnut of a bar manager then took the piss the next day, I eventually found out he had deep sixed the pints with vodka - to this day I regret not going to the police and having the fucktard deported (as I was also illegally working this wasn't an option.

There is NOTHING funny about spiking someone - you might be responsible for someone's death.

As to those who doubt that people can be spiked, go crack a beer and pour it into two glasses, have someone pour a vodka into one, now try to identify the spiked beer blindfolded.

Arcsin

April O Neill wrote: »

I've read this a few times and it still doesn't make any sense.

He is inferring that many of the girls who claim to have been spiked are quite ugly, so ugly in fact that no one would drug them with the intention of having sex with them.

He goes on to propose that they are more likely to be mistaken for an escaped zoo animal, a gorilla or hippo or some such thing, and therefore stand a better chance of being tranquillised and returned to the zoo than being spiked.

I hope I have been of some assistance.

Mr Whirly

wonderfulname wrote: »

I said in my experience, honestly I'd say it's possible, I was out one night, didn't drink beforehand, and my second drink of the night was handed to me by a friend after it was bought by a stranger, sipping it, a third of the way down I was not drunk, but not near right, it took a lot of effort to function, I knew well enough to tip it and not consume anything for quite a while. Would I say I was spiked? It's definitely possible, but I can't rule out that I just wasn't up to drink that night or that I hadn't had anything earlier that provoked a funny reaction. I'd say the same for friends, I've carted people in strange states out of pubs after little alcohol but there is no way I can claim there was nothing in their system they were unaware of, differing degrees of likelihood but I'd never be able to stand up and say 'they were spiked', and I'd say in any of those circumstances people should have taken more personal responsibility in what they were doing.

As I said earlier, I used to think it was a catch all excuse for people overdoing it and it will continue being used as an excuse but it does happen and the Garda involved reckons its on the rise and cited this place as somewhere it's happened before.

April O Neill

Arcsin wrote: »

He is inferring that many of the girls who claim to have been spiked are quite ugly, so ugly in fact that no one would drug them with the intention of having sex with them.

He goes on to propose that they are more likely to be mistaken for an escaped zoo animal, a gorilla or hippo or some such thing, and therefore stand a better chance of being tranquillised and returned to the zoo than being spiked.

Classy guy.

locum-motion

Mr Whirly wrote: »

... spiked with roofies...

Arcsin wrote: »

... Roofies...

Mr Whirly wrote: »

...getting spiked with a roofie ...

Doesn't happen. Full stop. Absolutely positively doesn't happen.

How do I know? I'm a pharmacist.

"Roofies" is a street name for a sleeing tablet called "Rohypnol" - addicts (not really being the most intelligent of people) saw the "H" and the "P" in the name and decided that they were pronounced as an "F", despite being in the wrong order.

Rohypnol is a Schedule 3 Controlled Drug; it's not that easy to get hold of. It's rarely prescribed, and when it is, it's usually for little old ladies, not those with a substance abuse problem. Now, perhaps the little old ladies are selling the tablets to their local drug abusers, but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them on the off chance of getting off with some yongwan in the local club - they value the tablets far too much themselves.

But that's not even the whole of it; when the whole roofies and date rape thing started a dozen or so years ago, Roche (the manufacturers of Rohypnol) changed the formulation of the tablet. If you try to dissolve one in a drink, it dyes the drink bright blue and forms a scum on the surface of the drink. (I've had to destroy out-of-date tablets before, so I've seen what happens when you dissolve them.)

So, while I'm not going to say that drink spiking never happens at all, I am going to say that it never happens with roofies.

Mr. Loverman

The media loves writing about certain types of stories: sex, drugs, etc.

That's why you see so many stories about contracting HIV even though you are many thousands of times more likely to die due to a car crash or suicide.

Basically the media are entertainment.

Gatling

MadsL wrote: »

I was spiked by the massive wanker of a Bar Manager where I worked. I drank four pints and went home for an early night, a normal session for me at that time would have been at least eight pints plus shots.

I started to feel ill as soon as I got to the metro and then the next thing I remember was waking up four hours later covered in vomit with paramedics standing over me and then being put into an ambulance, I blacked out again only to come around strapped down to a table being given an injection.

I woke up the next morning in a ward. The doctor asked me what I had been drinking the night before, when I told him just four beers, he shook his head and told me that this was impossible as I had been admitted with acute alcohol poisoning.

The cnut of a bar manager then took the piss the next day, I eventually found out he had deep sixed the pints with vodka - to this day I regret not going to the police and having the fucktard deported (as I was also illegally working this wasn't an option.

There is NOTHING funny about spiking someone - you might be responsible for someone's death.

As to those who doubt that people can be spiked, go crack a beer and pour it into two glasses, have someone pour a vodka into one, now try to identify the spiked beer blindfolded.

You couldn't tell that you're pints had vodka in them ,

most 12 years olds could in a taste test

MadsL

Gatling wrote: »

You couldn't tell that you're pints had vodka in them ,

most 12 years olds could in a taste test

Go try it. Then come back to me.

Seaneh

MadsL wrote: »

Go try it. Then come back to me.

I've had friends put vodka in beer and cider and try and fool me, I almost puked each time. If you can't taste a 25-30ml shot of vodka in a glass of beer you have some serious problems with your taste buds...

Mr Whirly

locum-motion wrote: »

Doesn't happen. Full stop. Absolutely positively doesn't happen.

How do I know? I'm a pharmacist.

"Roofies" is a street name for a sleeing tablet called "Rohypnol" - addicts (not really being the most intelligent of people) saw the "H" and the "P" in the name and decided that they were pronounced as an "F", despite being in the wrong order.

Rohypnol is a Schedule 3 Controlled Drug; it's not that easy to get hold of. It's rarely prescribed, and when it is, it's usually for little old ladies, not those with a substance abuse problem. Now, perhaps the little old ladies are selling the tablets to their local drug abusers, but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them on the off chance of getting off with some yongwan in the local club - they value the tablets far too much themselves.

But that's not even the whole of it; when the whole roofies and date rape thing started a dozen or so years ago, Roche (the manufacturers of Rohypnol) changed the formulation of the tablet. If you try to dissolve one in a drink, it dyes the drink bright blue and forms a scum on the surface of the drink. (I've had to destroy out-of-date tablets before, so I've seen what happens when you dissolve them.)

So, while I'm not going to say that drink spiking never happens at all, I am going to say that it never happens with roofies.

Fair enough but they weren't spiked with yokes.

Boombastic

locum-motion wrote: »

.............
Rohypnol is a Schedule 3 Controlled Drug; it's not that easy to get hold of. It's rarely prescribed, and when it is, it's usually for little old ladies, not those with a substance abuse problem. Now, perhaps the little old ladies are selling the tablets to their local drug abusers, but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them on the off chance of getting off with some yongwan in the local club - they value the tablets far too much themselves.
................

Houses get robbed. Tablets are often taken by the burglars, black market etc

FoxT

gallag wrote: »

I used to lleave my drink around hoping some **** would spike it, always ended up buying it my self ffs.

date ****?

Gatling

MadsL wrote: »

Go try it. Then come back to me.

I used to drop shots into pints all the time ,
Any spirit goes into a pint there's a big taste difference

locum-motion

Mr Whirly wrote: »

Fair enough but they weren't spiked with yokes.

My comment was exclusively about roofies. I specifically said I wasn't talking about other drugs. So your "but" has no relevance whatsoever.

Mr Whirly

locum-motion wrote: »

My comment was exclusively about roofies. I specifically said I wasn't talking about other drugs. So your "but" has no relevance whatsoever.

I'm just saying that loads of people think its gas to spike people with yokes. This was different. That's all.

MadsL

Taste has a lot to do with expectations - I could easily spike your drink with the right spirit and you would not taste it if you either did not expect it or suspect it. A big hoppy beer masks a lot behind it.

Anyway, feel free to cast doubt on the story and my tastebuds, it still happened. And that bar manager is still a cnut.

Arcsin

locum-motion wrote: »

Doesn't happen. Full stop. Absolutely positively doesn't happen.

How do I know? I'm a pharmacist.

"Roofies" is a street name for a sleeing tablet called "Rohypnol" - addicts (not really being the most intelligent of people) saw the "H" and the "P" in the name and decided that they were pronounced as an "F", despite being in the wrong order.

Rohypnol is a Schedule 3 Controlled Drug; it's not that easy to get hold of. It's rarely prescribed, and when it is, it's usually for little old ladies, not those with a substance abuse problem. Now, perhaps the little old ladies are selling the tablets to their local drug abusers, but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them on the off chance of getting off with some yongwan in the local club - they value the tablets far too much themselves.

But that's not even the whole of it; when the whole roofies and date rape thing started a dozen or so years ago, Roche (the manufacturers of Rohypnol) changed the formulation of the tablet. If you try to dissolve one in a drink, it dyes the drink bright blue and forms a scum on the surface of the drink. (I've had to destroy out-of-date tablets before, so I've seen what happens when you dissolve them.)

So, while I'm not going to say that drink spiking never happens at all, I am going to say that it never happens with roofies.

Wait so you're saying that Roofies is really the street name of this drug not the actual name? And people don't really get spiked with it in Ireland? And you're a pharmacist?

locum-motion

Boombastic wrote: »

Houses get robbed. Tablets are often taken by the burglars, black market etc

And so I repeat, with emphasis...

locum-motion wrote: »

... but the kind of people that go to the trouble of getting their hands on these tablets aren't going to waste them ...

Rohypnol have a value to drug abusers far above what they might get from someone who wants to drop it in a drink.

locum-motion

Arcsin wrote: »

Wait so you're saying that Roofies is really the street name of this drug not the actual name?

Yes. Well done, you can read.

Arcsin wrote: »

And people don't really get spiked with it in Ireland?

(My emphasis added)

Not with roofies, no.

Arcsin wrote: »

And you're a pharmacist?

Correct.

And your point is?

wonderfulname

locum-motion wrote: »

So, while I'm not going to say that drink spiking never happens at all, I am going to say that it never happens with roofies.

I'll agree that of all the things you can slip in a drink that's the least likely and most conspicuous (a couple of extra shots being not only easy, but acceptable in our society, to a degree) but never say never, I stick it in the same catagory as 'if you take class A drugs you'll tear your own eyes out thinking they're rats', statistically ignorable media hype, but an extreme example of why you shouldn't take dodgy examples of mind altering substances off strange people.