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Court rules in favour of Waterford Crystal workers

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    #272
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    And the fact that Gay Byrne has done more in his life to advance the cause and modernisation of Ireland than any hundred WC workers, has probably escaped your rather triumphalist sense of humour?

    An overpaid DJ. Like the rest of them in Montrose.


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    #273
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    7upfree wrote: »
    An overpaid DJ. Like the rest of them in Montrose.

    As opposed to overpaid factory workers with an overinflated opinion of their use to society?


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    #274
    mooseknunkle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭mooseknunkle


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    As opposed to overpaid factory workers with an overinflated opinion of their use to society?

    You just won't give up will you...forget about about it man they are getting their money so just move on and have a happy Christmas.


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    #275
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    As opposed to overpaid factory workers with an overinflated opinion of their use to society?

    I can only put this down to a bad experience with a crystal worker. There is no other reason for your outlook.

    * This was a national institution, which attracted tens of thousands of visitors yearly.

    * The workers - while highly paid - were taxed off the face off the planet, contributing tens of millions in taxes.

    * Their charity contributions are legendary.
    So don't be such a f*****g grinch.

    As Moosknuckle says - happy Christmas.:). Now move on and let it go.


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    #276
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    mooseknunkle wrote: »
    You just won't give up will you?
    For once... you're right!


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    #277
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    7upfree wrote: »
    I can only put this down to a bad experience with a crystal worker. There is no other reason for your outlook.

    * This was a national institution, which attracted tens of thousands of visitors yearly.

    * The workers - while highly paid - were taxed off the face off the planet, contributing tens of millions in taxes.

    * Their charity contributions are legendary.
    So don't be such a f*****g grinch.

    As Moosknuckle says - happy Christmas.:). Now move on and let it go.

    I understand they are meeting today to announce if they will accept the offer.
    Very gracious of them!
    A bit like a panhandler looking at the money you'd give him before he decided if he'd accept it or not.


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    #278
    conditioned games
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭conditioned games


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    I understand they are meeting today to announce if they will accept the offer.
    Very gracious of them!
    A bit like a panhandler looking at the money you'd give him before he decided if he'd accept it or not.

    Idiot post. The former workers have the right to make collective democratic decisions of what to do. It is not up to one worker to make decisions without consulting with everybody first.


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    #279
    manor
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭manor


    This was no national institution, it was a company/ business that simply went bust.


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    #280
    fiachr_a
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    As opposed to overpaid factory workers with an overinflated opinion of their use to society?
    I remember back in the 1980s lads in my street getting jobs in WC once they finished school. They went from being ignored to respectable members of their community overnight. Neighbours were in awe of them because they got a permanent factory job.


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    #281
    martin12
    Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭martin12


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r1gCS4O7fY


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    #282
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    martin12 wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r1gCS4O7fY

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation

    We could go on like this all day if you like?


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    #283
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation

    We could go on like this all day if you like?

    Are you still at it? Will ya give it a rest. I'm sure the WC lads have their feet up and are chuckling at you.:D


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    #284
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Saw on news just now that they have decided to accept the offer.
    They will get, up to, a 40,000 eur tax free lump sum in addition to the generous pensions.
    This will come out of "central funds" which means that you and I, along with the poorest in society, will be financing it.
    Happy Christmas everyone!
    It's nice to see Santa work his magic.


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    #285
    The Bowling Alley
    Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭The Bowling Alley


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Saw on news just now that they have decided to accept the offer.
    They will get, up to, a 40,000 eur tax free lump sum in addition to the generous pensions.
    This will come out of "central funds" which means that you and I, along with the poorest in society, will be financing it.
    Happy Christmas everyone!
    It's nice to see Santa work his magic.

    Will you ever just fuck off.


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    #286
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    The Bowling Alley wrote: »
    Will you ever just fuck off.
    No!


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    #287
    Deise67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Deise67


    you coming out for a beer to celebrate ?


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    #288
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Deise67 wrote: »
    you coming out for a beer to celebrate ?

    I might!
    Are you buying?
    It's probably the only way I'll get any of my money back out of Waterford.:)


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    #289
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    What a joke. The state bankrolling private pensions now.


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    #290
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    The workers at WC have now joined such elite groups as Bank of Ireland and AIB in raiding the public coffers to support their pension fund.
    Only difference is we have some chance of getting the money back from B of I.... less so from AIB.
    We have however, no chance of getting the money back from WC workers or their wonderful union.


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    #291
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    I have a great idea. I'm going to setup a new company. I'll employ a few mates on basic contracts but with pensions of 50K per year after the age of 45. I'll fold the company after a year or so and then we can all claim our big payoffs from the benevolent Irish state.


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    #292
    funnights74
    Registered Users Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭funnights74


    Yet again the Ordinary tax payer is ripped off by the goverment. Why are we responsible for private pensions when the pension company and the company itself goes bust?
    Most private companies are insured against closure or redundancy payouts, was that not situation in this case.


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    #293
    Deise67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Deise67


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    I have a great idea. I'm going to setup a new company. I'll employ a few mates on basic contracts but with pensions of 50K per year after the age of 45. I'll fold the company after a year or so and then we can all claim our big payoffs from the benevolent Irish state.

    read the EU directive idiot ! or maybe get someone to explain before you post drivel. cabbage !!!


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    #294
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    I really can't believe this. Why was the pension fund insolvent? I'll tell you. It was underfunded and overly generous. Big pensions were paid to people that had retired way out if proportion to their contributions. How has this become the states problem. The ponzi scheme collapsed leaving those at the bottom at a loss. Tough.


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    #295
    Deise67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Deise67


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    I really can't believe this. Why was the pension fund insolvent? I'll tell you. It was underfunded and overly generous. Big pensions were paid to people that had retired way out if proportion to their contributions. How has this become the states problem. The ponzi scheme collapsed leaving those at the bottom at a loss. Tough.

    pint of bitter for u as well !


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    #296
    Kristopherus
    Registered Users Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    Jaysus, the begrudgery here is minboggling. Some people cannot accept that those retired workers were getting their just entitlement, decided by the highest court in E.U. I really hope they have a very Happy Christmas.


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    #297
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Jaysus, the begrudgery here is minboggling. Some people cannot accept that those retired workers were getting their just entitlement, decided by the highest court in E.U. I really hope they have a very Happy Christmas.

    Ah yes.... but getting them off whom?
    There's the rub!


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    #298
    fiachr_a
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Jaysus, the begrudgery here is minboggling. Some people cannot accept that those retired workers were getting their just entitlement
    That's Waterford boy! Imagine sending your kids to a good school and college only to see them move to Australia. Meanwhile, your neighbour spent his best years in a unionised factory and next month will be driving a 15 reg car!


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    #299
    The Bowling Alley
    Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭The Bowling Alley


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Jaysus, the begrudgery here is minboggling. Some people cannot accept that those retired workers were getting their just entitlement, decided by the highest court in E.U. I really hope they have a very Happy Christmas.

    The very same reason why people almost get sick when they hear that the lotto was won in Waterford...


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    #300
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    The Bowling Alley wrote: »
    The very same reason why people almost get sick when they hear that the lotto was won in Waterford...

    Just reading elesehwre that in the past seven years, the HSE spent MILLIONS of euro buying out the pinion of senior "officers" so they could "retire rely, some on the basis of ill health".

    If it were any mere private sector mortals they'd be told to f**k off down to the Labour and large a disability claim.

    Yes, the begrudger here is staggering.


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    #301
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    I really can't believe this. Why was the pension fund insolvent? I'll tell you. It was underfunded and overly generous. Big pensions were paid to people that had retired way out if proportion to their contributions. How has this become the states problem. The ponzi scheme collapsed leaving those at the bottom at a loss. Tough.

    Jealous much? Maybe a teeny bit bitter?


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