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Court rules in favour of Waterford Crystal workers

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    #332
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    sparkling sea wrote: »
    While I would agree that it unfair that many, many people have lost their pensions and the remit of this ruling only applies where double insolvency occurs - I have to say (and I hate saying this) Waterford needs and deserves some sort of financial boost and I'm glad to see some people in Waterford getting what they are legally entitled.

    Curly Judge, the law isn't fair in many many cases, but it is the law and it has been applied fairly in this case. What exactly is your point??

    Robert Maxwell jumped off a boat in 1991, he had raided the pension funded of his workers, Europe was issuing directives since then on the issue of pension protection. Our governements either intentionally or negligently continued to ignore the warnings they were been given, now we are all paying the price, thats what happens all the time, so why is if unfair in this particular case ??

    The government are completely destroying us as a county, Waterford has been downgraded, its happened thats it. While other parts of the country are seeing signs of growth, we are not.

    Fairness has to be applied to all equally, we don't live in country where this happens, I can't for the life of me understand why people are moaning given that Waterford hasn't been receiving anywhere near the attention it needs ??

    The gist of your post seems to be that and you (and several others down there) feel entitled to this 178 million cash injection because of some perceived neglect of your bailiwick?
    Interesting viewpoint!
    Perhaps you are suffering from some sort of post Martin Cullen syndrome?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153931/Cullens-life-luxury--taxes-Minister-e-voting-quit-2010-bad--120k-pension-Now-new-Jag-Florida-mansion--new-love.html


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    #333
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    No...nothing to do with the place!
    And I live in the north Midlands and have never sought or been rejected for a job in WC, contrary to some suggestions on this site.
    My (now former) brother in law worked there in the accounts dept. for some time.

    Any good stories?


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    #334
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    Any good stories?

    Other than stories about the sulphuric atmosphere between "Star Turn", so called craftsmen and weak, vacillating management ...no!


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    #335
    Deise67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Deise67


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Other than stories about the sulphuric atmosphere between "Star Turn", so called craftsmen and weak, vacillating management ...no!

    don't seem to have a bad number yerself ! you spend more time here posting and grumbling ! any jobs going ?


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    #336
    fiachr_a
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Perhaps you are suffering from some sort of post Martin Cullen syndrome?
    Can this man safely return to Waterford now?


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    #337
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    The gist of your post seems to be that and you (and several others down there) feel entitled to this 178 million cash injection because of some perceived neglect of your bailiwick?
    Interesting viewpoint!
    Perhaps you are suffering from some sort of post Martin Cullen syndrome?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153931/Cullens-life-luxury--taxes-Minister-e-voting-quit-2010-bad--120k-pension-Now-new-Jag-Florida-mansion--new-love.html

    No the just is that the paltry sum of €178m pales in comparison to the BILLIONS pumped into banks. And those HSE employees who were allowed "retire early on the basis of ill-health" with the state buying out the remainder of their pensions. Sauce, goose, gander.


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    #338
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    johnsparkexile wrote: »
    that case forced the Irish Government to enact the 2013 Pension protection legislation protecting workers pensions. A great victory for workers rights in this country.

    Very well said.


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    #339
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Originally Posted by johnsparkexile
    that case forced the Irish Government to enact the 2013 Pension protection legislation protecting workers pensions. A great victory for workers rights in this country.
    7upfree wrote: »
    Very well said.

    A few more "victories" like that and we'll be right as rain.:rolleyes:


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    #340
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    A few more "victories" like that and we'll be right as rain.:rolleyes:

    A moral victory from common man and common sense. Not economic vultures. For once.


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    #341
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    7upfree wrote: »
    A moral victory from common man and common sense. Not economic vultures. For once.

    Some victory. The average paye worker is down a hundred quid to cover someone else's pension.


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    #342
    robtri
    Registered Users Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    7upfree wrote: »
    A moral victory from common man and common sense. Not economic vultures. For once.

    sorry but you are having a laugh....
    the common man is paying for it, when it had nothing to do with them...
    so it is a slap in the face for most common men...


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    #343
    sparkling sea
    Registered Users Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭sparkling sea


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    The gist of your post seems to be that and you (and several others down there) feel entitled to this 178 million cash injection because of some perceived neglect of your bailiwick?
    Interesting viewpoint!
    Perhaps you are suffering from some sort of post Martin Cullen syndrome?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153931/Cullens-life-luxury--taxes-Minister-e-voting-quit-2010-bad--120k-pension-Now-new-Jag-Florida-mansion--new-love.html

    No, the gist is that our government yet again messed up and because of it everyone has suffered, to some extent. Waterford Crystal workers have gone through years of stress and worry awaiting the out come of this case and tax payers will have to foot the bill now. But tax payers always have to foot the bill when governments mess up, I'm lost on why you think it should be different in this specific case, you are not addressing this point! As I have said, the pension issue was flagged on many occasions at European level but our government choose to ignore it, so why would you expect the Waterford Crystal workers or any other workers for that matter, to waive their legal entitlement?

    Seriously, are you expecting me to read the an article in the Daily Mail ?

    Seriously, are you expecting me to take anything as researched fact when it is quoted in the Daily Mail or sourced by the Daily Mail ?


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    #344
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    sparkling sea wrote: »
    No, the gist is that our government yet again messed up and because of it everyone has suffered, to some extent. Waterford Crystal workers have gone through years of stress and worry awaiting the out come of this case and tax payers will have to foot the bill now. But tax payers always have to foot the bill when governments mess up, I'm lost on why you think it should be different in this specific case, you are not addressing this point! As I have said, the pension issue was flagged on many occasions at European level but our government choose to ignore it, so why would you expect the Waterford Crystal workers or any other workers for that matter, to waive their legal entitlement?

    Seriously, are you expecting me to read the an article in the Daily Mail ?

    Seriously, are you expecting me to take anything as researched fact when it is quoted in the Daily Mail or sourced by the Daily Mail ?

    My dear, dear boy,
    I don't expect you to do anything!


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    #345
    Deise67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Deise67


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    My dear, dear boy,
    I don't expect you to do anything!

    another busy day in the office ! missed ya Saturday xx


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    #346
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/bank-guarantee-culmination-of-years-of-mistakes-not-just-by-government-banking-inquiry-hears-30844109.html

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/24-civil-servants-pocket-more-than-160k-plus-pension-30843784.html

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mary-lou-faces-rap-over-ansbacher-row-30843498.html

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/eu-girds-loins-for-legal-battle-with-ireland-over-apple-tax-probe-30842739.html

    http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/ulster-bank-takes-loss-of-more-than-45bn-as-it-sells-loans-to-us-investor-30842737.html

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ireland-now-sits-17th-in-global-perceived-corruption-index-30843019.html

    All from todays Indo' I wonder who will be paying for all these????????

    We're gone up to 17th in the list of perceived corruption index!!!!! What a surprise there.


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    #347
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    And I'll be booking a villa here when the money come through!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

    http://www.mypremiumeurope.com/travel-news/luxury-holidays/most-exclusive-summer-villas.htm?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=content_marketing&utm_term=test_september&utm_content=travel&utm_campaign=swiss


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    #348
    BadCharlie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭BadCharlie


    Bum Humbug to Curly Judge & gang, sad to see so much people only interested in No1.


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    #349
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    BadCharlie wrote: »
    Bum Humbug to Curly Judge & gang, sad to see so much people only interested in No1.

    Au contrair, mon ami.
    Your exercise in logic fails at the first hurdle.
    Whereas you and your friends are only interested in the welfare of 1780 people, I, and my friends, are concerned for the welfare of the whole taxpaying public.


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    #350
    Deise67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Deise67


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Au contrair, mon ami.
    Your exercise in logic fails at the first hurdle.
    Whereas you and your friends are only interested in the welfare of 1780 people, I, and my friends, are concerned for the welfare of the whole taxpaying public.

    and this judgment is the biggest threat to Irelands economic recovery ? wake up , have you been under a rock or hiding with bin laden since 2008 ? would love to know your real agenda here !


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    #351
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Deise67 wrote: »
    and this judgment is the biggest threat to Irelands economic recovery ? wake up , have you been under a rock or hiding with bin laden since 2008 ? would love to know your real agenda here !

    Where did I say it was the "biggest threat to Ireland's economic recovery".
    Please don't put words in my mouth.
    I do however think it's unfair, unjust, and a very bad precedent.
    Why can't the rest of the delusionals chip in from their ludicrous defined benefit pensions instead of raiding the meagre defined contribution pensions of the rest of us?


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    #352
    fricatus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Why can't the rest of the delusionals chip in from their ludicrous defined benefit pensions instead of raiding the meagre defined contribution pensions of the rest of us?

    Use of the word "delusionals" aside, I admit you have a strong point here. A DB pension is a fair old benefit to have. A DC pension is a much lesser being, so if any future or current pensioners should be hit, the weight should fall more on the DB pensioners...


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    #353
    Deise67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Deise67


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Where did I say it was the "biggest threat to Ireland's economic recovery".
    Please don't put words in my mouth.
    I do however think it's unfair, unjust, and a very bad precedent.
    Why can't the rest of the delusionals chip in from their ludicrous defined benefit pensions instead of raiding the meagre defined contribution pensions of the rest of us?

    take it up with Europe, challenge the deal ? DB are hens teeth now , I'm paying into a DC fund now , move on lad its done no matter if you agree or disagree ! its the system we live by , courts , democracy and all that ! we all pay into the central exchequer , do I agree with all that's done with my tax money , no I don't , but I accept it in general and get on with life , you should try it ! battle is lost war is lost , move on !!


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    #354
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    there was never a war in the first place, the glass workers pension fund was decimated after paying into it for years the courts rule that it had to be paid for

    It was, end of story, and if this country had half the tenacity of the workers who went after what was rightfully theres we wouldn't be living in the clown of a country were living in now

    Shin


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    #355
    BadCharlie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭BadCharlie


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Au contrair, mon ami.
    Your exercise in logic fails at the first hurdle.
    Whereas you and your friends are only interested in the welfare of 1780 people, I, and my friends, are concerned for the welfare of the whole taxpaying public.

    You talk about stop putting words in your mouth just above "or below my other post", then say you and friends are only interested in 1780 people !!! Never did i say that!!!

    If i was to follow what you are saying.
    I should hand in my notice at work today, cause after all i might not get my entitlements if the company i work for goes under and is poorly run. Sit on my ass all week and wait for my hand outs.

    Paying the WC workers is 100% correct. But how much they should be paid is the question?? which i don't think anyone on this forum is in a position to call.

    Do people not understand, the people left go have very little hope in getting a Job ever, as most of the work forse are well past their prime.

    Such a strong smell of soured grapes.


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    #356
    anto9
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    Waterford publicans will be over joyed lol .Weatherspoon just arrived at the right time .


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    #357
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    shinzon wrote: »
    there was never a war in the first place, the glass workers pension fund was decimated after paying into it for years the courts rule that it had to be paid for

    It was, end of story, and if this country had half the tenacity of the workers who went after what was rightfully theres we wouldn't be living in the clown of a country were living in now

    Shin

    Where did the money go? Maybe they should sue those that took it.


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    #358
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Whereas you and your friends are only interested in the welfare of 1780 people, I, and my friends, are concerned for the welfare of the whole taxpaying public.

    Find this guy a political party!


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    #359
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    teacher-exodus-adds-25m-to-pension-costs-30820798

    Teachers leaving their posts to cost another €25m. It keeps building & building.
    I'm glad I'm emigrating.


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    #360
    Deise67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Deise67


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    Where did the money go? Maybe they should sue those that took it.

    ever try suing a dead man ?


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    #361
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    Deise67 wrote: »
    ever try suing a dead man ?

    You can't so just cut your losses and move on. But no, papa Ireland will jump in and pay for all your problems despite having nothing to do with your private pension arrangements.


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